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I guess we still don't know a release date for these camcorders, although a Panasonic rep at the PMA show said "in time for graduation", which means it could be as late as May. I'm hoping for mid April or earlier myself.
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Which websites are you looking at for first signs of early info re release date? I thought i saw a news clip which said mid March for UK. The B&H store says "Available April".
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I find it unusual that it hasn't shown up on Amazon.com yet. The Canon HF S20/21/200 camcorders, which are also estimated to be released in the April timeframe, have been there pretty much since they're introduction. In fact, B&H is the only US retailer I've found that mentions the HDC-TM700 at all.
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Here's a video:

Here's the same one on YouTube, available up to 720p:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbgJkEzeuqs
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It's now available in Japan, in case some of the US or Canadian folks want to pay the premium ($1550 plus shipping) to be the first to have it or to get the 96GB internal storage:

http://www.tokyo-toyz.com/proddetail...efCamcorder%5D

I have no idea whether it would support the English language though.
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It's a bit cheaper in Amazon Japan if you can somehow manage getting one over here.

$1,401.03
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Here's another review.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/camcorders...9305229,00.htm

I bet they would have been friendlier toward the camcorder if they were reviewing this camcorder in the US since it costs only $1,000 US.

i do think their going to far in saying that the bit rate of the 1080 60p mode eats up to much memory.
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i do think their going to far in saying that the bit rate of the 1080 60p mode eats up to much memory.

I agree, unless they made similar comments about 24Mbps 60i video.

Is it really true that the SDXC in the TM700 will only handle 64GB? The spec is capable of handling up to 2TB, so I wonder if this comment was within the context of currently-available memory cards or if Panasonic short-sightedly limited it to 64GB.

As for the playback issues with 60p, I'm willing to accept that fact that I'll have to downconvert the video to lower bitrate and/or frame rate for any practical use in the short term, archiving the raw footage until such a time that I can use it in its full glory; I just don't want to end up on the trailing edge of the curve.

It's promising that, even with their dislikes, they gave it an 8.0 rating.
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Complaining about memory in this day & age is idiotic. Sure Flash mem. may not be the cheapest.

I'd love to see camcorders with built-in storage offer cold swap-ability; 32GB flash, well make it plug&plug (i.e. use SSD with enclosure instead of bare) ....swap SSD's like SDHC & ditto with HDD's.
If they did this then the more bitrate the better. Of-couse SDXC will fix this issue, in a lot longer timeframe than SSD's will become cheap (assuming they are not now...)
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The camcorders have finally shown up on Amazon's US website, with a May 1 estimated ship date. No big surprise on the price: $1K for the TM700 as B&H is quoting.
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I find it unusual that it hasn't shown up on Amazon.com yet. The Canon HF S20/21/200 camcorders, which are also estimated to be released in the April timeframe, have been there pretty much since they're introduction. In fact, B&H is the only US retailer I've found that mentions the HDC-TM700 at all.

That may be because I cancelled my order from B&H for a Panny TM300 and refused delivery when it arrived last month, a couple days after the TM700 was announced. When they asked why I cancelled, I told them because I'm waiting for the TM700. That was before they had it on their website and they had not even heard about it yet. A couple weeks later, they had the TM700 on their site.
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The TM700 is now listed on the Panasonic USA website as available for preorder at $995, with an estimated delivery date of April-May.
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That's really an unfortunate date disadvantage for Panasonic with the top Sony's already being out although the Canon HF S21 isn't out yet either.

This is like a race in which in the U.S., Sony already started running while Panasonic and Canon aren't ready to run yet.
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If you only count time from announcement to shipping, the Canon is far behind. The Canon and Sony were announced at CES and the Panasonic wasn't announced until a month later, and it appears the Canon and Panasonic will come out about the same time.

I'd say Panasonic had a problem if their camcorder was the same price as the Sony, but since it's $200 less and $400 less than the only Canon with an EVF, I'm sure many people will think it's worth waiting for.

I do wish the Panny was out about a month earlier because I have an event the second weekend in April where I'd really like to have it. But, I'll wait.
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As of this writing, I plan to get the TM700 when it's released in May. But, seeing how rapidly this industry changes, maybe by then there'll be a better bargain. I have assessed the HDR-CX550V and HF S21, but at the moment the Panasonic seems best for value, features, manual controls, longevity, and my personal preferences. I can't imagine, however, that AVCHD, which isn't that old, has a limit of 24Mbps, so Panny is moving ahead. I bought the Canon HF100 less than two years ago when AVCHD was all the rage, and I think that codec could come to an end. HD video is totally insane....there is no stability. Even the HVX200 is becoming antiquated.
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If using the new FCP 7 which sequence preset would you use to edit this kind of footage?
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I placed a preorder on the Panasonic site. I've been back and forth between the Canons and the Panasonic, and almost got the TM300, then heard about the TM700 and that clinched the deal.
Seriously, while I'm paying extra in hopes of getting it sooner (sales tax vs none, and next day shipping), I wouldn't get the Canon just because it came out first, and I certainly decided against the Sony even though it is out first. So I think that for the folk to whom, the features and capabilities of these camcorders, matter enough, for them to pay the price, the issue of when they are available is not the deciding factor.
I'm hoping that they ship earlier than they predict, and betting that Panasonic has it before any other vendor.
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at amazon.com Panasonic HDC-TM700K $1,000 and Panasonic HDC-HS700K $1,400
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Just passing on a little more info.
As I mentioned a few posts ago, I placed an order for a TM700 with Panasonic. So, I called an asked them when it would ship and was told April 5. I'm not holding my breath, but that's what I was told.
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For anyone who ends up getting this camcorder, please post some native 1080 50p and 60p examples here:
http://vimeo.com/groups/native1920x108060pclips
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Just passing on a little more info.
As I mentioned a few posts ago, I placed an order for a TM700 with Panasonic. So, I called an asked them when it would ship and was told April 5. I'm not holding my breath, but that's what I was told.

+1. I placed a pre-order yesterday and the confirmation email says estimated ship date of 4/5. We will see.
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I think I'll wait. If the ship date had been about a week earlier, I might have jumped at the chance, but April 5 would probably be too late a ship date for the event I will be attending starting on April 8. I can also pursue some no-interest financing deals if I'm not in a rush.
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I was going to place a pre-order on the Panny website but I found out that they charge sales tax for every state which is almost 10% here in Washington, so I will buy from B&H when it comes out to avoid the tax.

Unfortunately, Amazon is based in Seattle so I have to pay sales tax on anything I buy there too.
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I'm thinking about the Panasonic HDC-TM700. I record to SDHC cards right now and play them back in the AVCHD SD card slot on my Panasonic Blu-ray player and watch them on a Panasonic 42" 1080p TV. With the HDC-TM700 can I record at the full HD highest 1080p/60p setting and play them back without any playback issues on the SD card slot on my player? It's still the AVCHD format being used for this model right?
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I'm thinking about the Panasonic HDC-TM700. I record to SDHC cards right now and play them back in the AVCHD SD card slot on my Panasonic Blu-ray player and watch them on a Panasonic 42" 1080p TV. With the HDC-TM700 can I record at the full HD highest 1080p/60p setting and play them back without any playback issues on the SD card slot on my player? It's still the AVCHD format being used for this model right?

The 60p video uses AVC codec, but the profile is not compliant with AVCHD; AVCHD doesn't support 1080p60. It might work, but then again it might not.
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All of the new AVCHD camcorders uses profile 4.1 and to do 1080 60p you need at least 4.2. It's a more advanced codec and so it takes up more horse power to play the files. At least I'm glad Nero can play them properly if you have a decent computer. To play these files on a TV, your better off either hooking up a decently spec'ed computer or from the camcorder itself.
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1080p60 playback:
Is it impossible to burn a Data Disk and play it back on a PS3 or capable player (ala AVCHD burnt onto a DVD-R) ?
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The PS3 will play the files but it wont always be real time but it was said before the PS3 came out that the cell processor should be able to simultaneously play back 2 high bit rate H.264 streams at the same time and that's basically how 3D works. I think once Sony releases the firmware update that allows the PS3 to be 3D compatible, it might play 1080 60p files in real time and that's just a guess.

With a big company like Panasonic choosing to put 1080 60p on camcorders and possibly the successor of the GH1, that mode may become far more popular than it is now, and if that happens, other companies will also have to put a 1080 60p mode in their future cameras.
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