Originally Posted by Ken Ross
Mark, there are times that I just find you utterly exasperating. Why must you always be in an attack mode? Good grief. My comments were not babble nor did I interpret anyone else's comments as babble. Your definition of 'defensive' is hugely different than mine. One could easily interpret your comments in many threads as, 'anything that doesn't exist on Sony cameras is fluff & unnecessary and anything that does is essential and well-executed'. Yeah, I know, more babble.
If you demonstrated proper etiquette when asking for someone to provide something like the 2 clips you requested, you'd simply ask for them. Period. Instead you start out with your babble nonsense, then proceed to attack an utterly innocent comment that the clip Tom posted was not intended for color accuracy but rather to show how good an HLG clip can look in SDR.
I give up. I will provide the clips when I get a chance, but this childish behavior is just a bit much. Time for the Yankee game. Ba bye.
I am sorry you take everything so personal and have stooped to name calling. You are now even betraying what I thought you believed - that we judge video quality by accuracy to reality. Your defense of the clip that was posted makes no sense - a video "looking good" is a silly concept, and against everything I thought you defended against. That video had faces colored blue in some clips- was that HLG giving us bizarre colors? Or just mood lighting? It was very creative and interesting, but useless to judge how HLG conveys reality viewed in REC709 (I actually saw the same video in HLG on an LG OLED TV playing in a store - it looked just as unnatural seen that way, but it sure was eye-catching).
My comment that the video was not informative about the limitations of HLG (or even its capabilities) wasn't a criticism of Tim or you, just a reminder that we want to see a real test, which you can do, and do well. "Looking good" takes us back to those pretentious graders who think teal and orange tints "look good." On EOSHD the graded videos posted are appalling, and they get scores of 'likes." What has happened to you?
The babble is about the speculating about how HLG *would* look in REC709 or in posting videos that "look good." Nothing else. The point is for everyone to stop speculating and making statements about what is the purpose of HLG and just let's have the video comparison. Too bad it rained. Yes, my view is that HLG does not look good viewed in REC709 based on what I have read and seen, but I would love to be proved wrong. Then we can all shoot in HLG!
Sorry to spoil your enthusiasm with HLG; I get that critical analytical comments can spoil the fun. That is not the intent of my posts; it's so we get a balanced view of exactly what is useful about a feature and what not. I was all excited about HDR and produced some HDR videos that have over 4000 views on YouTube. I concluded it wasn't worth it, since most people cannot see videos in HDR, although by shooting log I can always do it again.
Btw, HLG is available on new Sony cameras - your seeing everything as about brand competition reveals how misplaced your thinking has become. And HLG was just implemented on my Shogun Inferno so the question of whether anyone should shoot in HLG as general practice is as relevant to you as it is to me, and will increasingly be relevant to everyone.
This is dispiriting, just like the two Yankee championship games...