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Nikon COOLPIX P1000 4K 24-3000mm !

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The Lens

As mentioned, this camera is anything but compact. Given the increased zoom ratio, the P1000 is, as expected, larger than its already-sizable predecessor. Weight alone is pretty telling, with the P1000 tipping the scales at over three pounds (1415g) whereas the P900 was about two pounds (916g). As for the dimensions, the width and height of the P1000 are slightly larger than those of the P900, while the length (depth) of the new model is close to two inches greater -- not including the extreme extension of the lens when zoomed to full telephoto. The diameter of the lens barrel has also increased, providing a larger 77mm filter thread compared to the 67mm thread on the P900. A petal-shaped bayonet lens hood is included.
As for the optical layout of the lens, the P1000 uses a lot of lens elements, 17 to be exact, situated into 12 groups (only one more element compared to the lens of the P900). The lens also utilizes a total of five ED (Extra Low Dispersion) elements and one Super ED element to help combat against chromatic aberration and color fringing.

The P1000's 4.3-539mm (24-3000mm eq.) lens uses a variable aperture design much like the P900, offering a bright f/2.8 aperture at the wide angle, before quickly narrowing down as you zoom to the longer focal lengths. With the P1000, the lens' maximum aperture falls to a rather narrow f/8 at full telephoto. While this max aperture may be sufficient for reasonably sharp, well-exposed photos in good lighting, it does make for difficult shooting in lower light or even shaded conditions, as the camera will either need a very slow shutter speed or a big boost in ISO sensitivity if you find yourself without flash or supplemental lighting.
As mentioned, the P1000 offers an impressive 3000mm eq. maximum focal length, but if you somehow need more reach, the camera offers two levels of digital zoom. With Nikon's Dynamic Fine Zoom option, the camera can reach up to 6000mm eq. while standard "digital zoom" will provide up to a whopping 12,000mm equivalent! Note that with both Dynamic Fine Zoom and digital zoom, image quality will be decreased compared to images shots within the optical zoom range; less so with Dynamic Fine Zoom than with standard digital zoom due to enhanced image processing.


Whether or not you shoot with optical zoom or reach into digital zoom range, we are talking about some serious telephoto reach here, and if you shoot handheld -- which is likely with this kind of camera -- you'll be glad that there's some powerful image stabilization on-board. Like the P900, the P1000 offers up to 5 stops of reported shake correction with its Dual Detect Optical Vibration Reduction system. For still photos, the VR system is purely optical, while for video shooting the camera uses a combination of optical VR and electronic stabilization to help steady your clips.
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Time to replace my P900
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Good luck holding this sucker steady! Better have a tripod. Between the small sensor, 3lb weight and no HLG, I’ll pass.
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I have a P900, so am familiar with issues associated with that sort of camera. The P900 has very good stabilization btw, the P1000 will likely also.

The two things that make the deal for me are RAW in stills and 4K in video. The P900 does not have RAW files, so you get whatever the camera's white balance decides to give you, and generally I found the colors it produced not right. And the IQ is such that playing around with the file in post degrades things too much. Far too yellow in most cases, especially scenes with a lot of green in them. With RAW you can do the color yourself, a big plus IMO. The second thing is the 4K. The video on the P900 is best termed as "unfortunate", largely due to the terrible compression in the footage. You do not get a high bit rate and the encoder is clearly making a lot of compromises (I would guess due to the limitations of the processor). Later on the B700 was released (the P610 successor) and the video on that was a lot better (still not up to what we see from Sony cameras, but an order of magnitude better than the P900). I expect that the P1000 will be at least as good, and possible somewhat better since the B700 is over a year old now. Supposedly the P1000 has the latest processor and fast AF (likely a similar system as that which will be used in the Nikon MILCs when they are released), so it should be a vast improvement over the P900 in that regard.


You can't expect fantastic performance compared to regular cameras, but keep in mind that this is a highly specialized camera, for use where normal cameras don't have enough reach to be useable. The P900 did the job well, outside of the RAW and video issues, as long as it was used correctly. You need very good light otherwise IQ suffers a lot, and you need to take a fair amount of time to compose the shot (you can't just snap away and expect good results)
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how does the az901 stack up against the p900?

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In the the bridge camera stakes i will stick with my Panas FZ2000 and FZ82 to work along side the GH5.It looks interesting though.
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I will stick with my RX10 III since I very seldom use 2x clear zoom and my GH5 with C9.25 scope takes much better 6K photo mode moon videos that play in 8K on youtube.
GH5/C9.25 moon video screenshot


I see P900 owners are saying 24mm eqiv. P1000 shots are softer and the RX10 III is much sharper.


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100% zoom :





My RX10 III @ 25mm FF eqiv a few days ago :



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The newest clueless comments on the P1000 on DPR !
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Well, it should be, since it has a larger sensor. Tolerances go south pretty quickly with small sensors, especially in non ideal situations. One thing small sensors do pretty well is maintain good dof close up, so they are better cameras for things like flowers and such (as long as you don't try to blow the picture up).

If you are reasonably close to your subject matter, but physically cannot get right up to it, nothing beats these long focal length small sensor superzooms. When distance itself becomes too great you start to have issues with light scattering by dust and atmospheric distortion, so the typical shot you see on you tube where someone has zoomed in on a distant church steeple (for example) usually looks pretty crap. But those sorts of shots, albeit impressive in a "wow" sort of way, are not the ideal way to use these cameras.
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P900 vs P1000 :
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The P1000 would be great if I did not already have the RX10 III since it has better quality than the P1000 in the 24-1200mm FF eqiv range and I have other combos above 1200mm using the GH5 and C9.25 2350mm F10 /1480mm F6.3 (w/focal reducer) or 4700mm FF eqiv with the GH5 2x crop.

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A 3000mm f/8 (or around f42-44 at 35mm sensor size eqivalent) I think some slight weaknesses here and there should be forgiven. Nobody who buys this camera would expect it to have top notch still or video image quality. It's for fun or specialized use when you either have it or not get the shot. 3000mm also blasts away all the current competitors by very big margins, including Nikon's own P900.

Sample footage of the resting lion in the clip above is also impressive when viewed at 1080p on my fall-sized tablet. The noise is low, despite the lion's face being deep in the shade, the detail is good, the contrast is excellent (this is quite surprising for such a long focal length and seems to be better than the P900 at "only" 2000mm), rolling shutter appears to be good too (my Sony HX400V's footage is so wobbly at the max 1200mm when handheld and in Active Steadyshot mode. Worse than this P1000's sample at 3000mm). I don't know if this is the result of the stabilization or faster sensor readout time. AF is a bit slow to keep up with such a wide zoom range but does not appear to be pumping or drifting.

Also at $1K it's the only affordable true ultra zoom game in town. The others are just too wimpy.
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Nikon's new Coolpix P1000 boasts an extraordinary zoom range and a suite of powerful stills and video features in a (relatively) compact body. We loved the original P900 for its sharp lens and effective stabilization, but its unimpressive EVF and lack of Raw capture mode made it less fun to use than it could have been.
The P1000 addresses both issues and greatly expands the zoom range, which now caps out at 3000mm (equivalent). Take a look through this slideshow for a detailed overview of this powerful compact's key features.
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P1000 vs Sony a7 III w/24-240mm :

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It's even larger than the full frame Nikon D850 or APS-C D7500 with wide range zoom lenses !

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The P1000 would be great if I did not already have the RX10 III since it has better quality than the P1000 in the 24-1200mm FF eqiv range and I have other combos above 1200mm using the GH5 and C9.25 2350mm F10 /1480mm F6.3 (w/focal reducer) or 4700mm FF eqiv with the GH5 2x crop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vXBsr5HQs

Stills IQ for the P900 in the shorter focal length range is comparable to my RX100V for reference. The P1000 will likely be similar. The images you are showing are video frames, video in the Coolpix cameras is much worse the RX100 cameras, mostly due to the low bit rates and crappy encoder used. How well the P1000 will perform remains to be seen, but my guess it will be similar to footage out of the B700. Nowhere near as good as Sony cameras but better than Coolpix 1080p. If you are shooting video you will probably want to be doing it in 4K. All of the examples (except for one moon video) on YouTube appear to have been shot at lower resolutions.

A big issue with the P900 (and the B700 judging from what I have seen on YouTube) is horrendous macroblocking (likely due to low bit rates and compromises made by the encoder) which results in any edited footage looking pretty horrible. Especially water scenes, they just disintegrate in editing.

As far as video is concerned you can use an external recorder as well on the P1000, which will allow you to sidestep Nikons crappy encoders. How ell that will work remains to be seen.


Most of what I shoot on my P900 is viewed on my tablet, and for that purpose the stills IQ is as good as it needs to be. Video is more of a problem, since video dynamic range on these Coolpix cameras is not very good and you have to deal with all of the IQ compromises made by the encoder so the processor can handle the data flow. The P900 has very aggressive stabilization as well, and that compromises video IQ significantly. You get better output by locking the camera on a very sturdy tripod and turning the stabilization off. It is tricky though since at low focal lengths the slightest vibration is visible.
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The images you are showing are video frames..
The P1000 image above is a 15.9mp Nikon sample image.
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-gall...les/0772945146


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The P1000 image above is a 15.9mp Nikon sample image.
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-gall...les/0772945146



A 2MB image. It is basically a frame grab from the video (and probably IS a frame grab from video). This is why you need to wait until the camera is in real people's hands.


Normal stills from these cameras are 6-7MB. The P1000 shoots in RAW as well, so you can reduce compression artifacts even further if you want.


I have both a P900 and an RX100V. Trust me, the IQ from both cameras is about the same.
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How can a frame grab from video be 4,608 x 3,456 in size if it tops out at 4K UHD 3,840x2160 ?
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Ever heard of cropping and resizing? Because that is what it looks like. The IQ of the image is consistent with what you get from video, not stills.

The 2MB file size should be a dead give away that it is not the normal output of the camera.
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Ever heard of cropping and resizing? Because that is what it looks like. The IQ of the image is consistent with what you get from video, not stills.

The 2MB file size should be a dead give away that it is not the normal output of the camera.
They shot it at full 15.9mp still resolution at high compression ratio with lower image quality.



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The low quality settings do give terrible jpegs, just as they do on all cameras.

Even the two images at around 6 MB show strange artifacts at edges, as though there are lines across them. Again, they look like a resampled image where edges are shown as the original pixel expanded.

There is no question that these "sample" images have been heavily altered. At least some of them appear to have been extracted from demo videos. I doubt they come straight out the camera. P900/B700 images simply do not look like that at all, and you would presume that they would use the same image processing in all of the cameras.
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