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Sony RX0 II 4K Action Camera Announced & Hands-On Review

Sony has recently announced the RX0 II, a 4K-capable sequel to its RX0 that also offers a flip-up screen and electronic image stabilization that can be augmented in post using captured motion data. And crucially, it has the 24mm (equiv) Zeiss f/4 lens paired with a 1" 15.3 megapixel "stacked CMOS" sensor that beats typical action cameras for low light sensitivity and dynamic range.

This is an undeniably exciting update/upgrade to the RX0, which lacked the ability to record 4K. Consequently, I have already preordered one and will post example clips as soon as it arrives, with a full editorial review to follow.

It'll be interesting to compare it to the GoPro Hero7 Black and the Osmo Pocket, to see how its image stabilization performs as compared to the latest from from DJI and GoPro. Sony is asking a significant premium for the RX0 II—it's priced ar $699.99 MSRP—but I have high hopes.

Click here to see the sample gallery on sony.com

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OK, now for the nitty-gritty... video specs (from sony.com)...


Sensor Type: 1.0"-type (0.52 x 0.35") Exmor RS CMOS sensor, aspect ratio 3:2

Lens Type: ZEISS Tessar T Lens, 6 elements in 6 groups (6 aspheric elements)

Focal Length: 7.9mm

[B]Angle of View:[/B] 84 Degree (24 mm, 35mm Format Equivalent, Still Image)

Focus Range (From the Front of the Lens): Approx. 0.66' (20cm) to Infinity

Screen Type: 3.8cm (1.5type) (4:3) / 230,400 dots / Clear Photo / TFT LCD

Ms Assist Magnification: 7.5x

Image Processing Engine: BIONZ X

Steadyshot: Electronic (for movie)

Focus Type: Contrast-detection AF

Focus Area: Wide (25 points [contrast-detection AF]), Center, Flexible Spot (S/M/L) Expanded Flexible Spot

Eye AF: Yes

Light Metering Mode: Multi-segment, Center-weighted, Spot (Standard/ Large), Entire Screen Avg., Highlight

Exposure Compensation: +/- 3.0EV, 1/3 EV step

ISO Sensitivity: Auto (ISO125-12800, selectable with upper/lower limit) 125/160/200/250/320/400/500/640/800/1000/1250/1600/2000/2500/3200/4000/5000/6400/8000/10000/12800 (Extendable to ISO80/100)

Multi-Frame NR ISO: Auto (ISO200-25600) 200/400/800/1600/3200/6400/12800/256006 (Still Image)(Recommended Exposure Index)

White Balance Modes: Auto, Daylight, Shade, Cloudy, Incandescent Fluor.: Warm White, Fluor.: Cool White, Fluor.: Day White, Fluor.: Daylight, Underwater Auto, C. Temp./Filter, Custom

Electronics Shutter: 1/4" - 1/32000

Aperture: F4.0

Image Control: Contrast, Saturation, Sharpness, Creative Style, Color Space (sRGB/ Adobe RGB), Quality (RAW/RAW&JPEG/Extra fine/Fine/Standard)

Noise Reduction: High ISO NR:Normal/Low/Off, Multi Frame NR: Auto, ISO 200-25600

Dynamic Range Functions: Off, Dynamic Range Optimizer (Auto/Level 1-5), Auto High Dynamic Range (Auto Exposure Difference, Exposure Difference Level (1.0-6.0 EV, 1.0 EV step)

RECORDING FORMAT: Still Image: JPEG(DCF Ver.2.0,Exif Ver.2.31,MPF Baseline compliant), RAW (Sony ARW 2.3 format),Movie: XAVC S, AVCHD format Ver.2.0 compatible

STILL IMAGE NUMBER OF RECORDED PIXELS (IMAGE SIZE): 3:2 mode: 15 M (4,800x3,200)/7.7 M (3,408x2,272)/3.8 M (2,400x1,600), 4:3 mode: 14 M (4,272x3,200)/6.9 M (3,024x2,272)/3.4 M (2,128x1,600)/VGA, 16:9 mode: 13 M (4,800x2,704)/6.5 M (3,408x1,920)/3.2 M (2,400x1,352), 1:1 mode: 10 M (3,200x3,200)/5.2 M (2,272x2,272)/2.6 M (1,600x1,600)

MOVIE RECORDING MODE (NTSC): NTSC/PAL Selector: [NTSC] AVCHD: 24M FX(1,920x1,080/60i)/17M FH(1,920x1,080/60i), XAVC S 4K11: 30p 100M(3,840x2,160/30p)/30p 60M(3,840x2,160/30p)/24p 100M(3,840x2,160/24p)/24p 60M(3,840x2,160/24p), XAVC S HD: 60p 50M(1,920x1,080/60p)/60p 25M(1,920x1,080/60p)/30p 50M(1,920x1,080/30p)/30p 16M(1,920x1,080/30p)/24p 50M(1,920x1,080/24p)/120p 60M(1,920x1,080/120p)11/120p 100M(1,920x1,080/120p)11

MOVIE RECORDING MODE (PAL): NTSC/PAL Selector: [PAL] mode AVCHD: 24M FX(1,920x1,080/50i)/17M FH(1,920x1,080/50i), XAVC S 4K11: 25p 100M(3,840x2,160/25p)/25p 60M(3,840x2,160/25p), XAVC S HD: 50p 50M(1,920x1,080/50p)/50p 25M(1,920x1,080/50p)/25p 50M(1,920x1,080/25p)/25p 25M(1,920x1,080/25p)/100p 60M(1,920x1,080/100p)11/100p 100M(1,920x1,080/100p)11

HFR: Recording NTSC/PAL Selector: [PAL] mode XAVC S HD: 50p 50M(1920x1080/250fps), 50p 50M(1920x1080/500fps), 50p 50M(1920x1080/1000fps)/25p 50M(1920x1080/250fps), 25p 50M(1920x1080/500fps), 25p 50M(1920x1080/1000fps), NTSC/PAL Selector: [NTSC] mode XAVC S HD:60p 50M(1,920x1,080/240fps), 60p 50M(1,920x1,080/480fps), 60p 50M(1,920x1,080/960fps)/30p 50M(1,920x1,080/240fps), 30p 50M(1,920x1,080/480fps), 30p 50M(1,920x1,080/960fps)/24p 50M(1,920x1,080/240fps), 24p 50M(1,920x1,080/480fps), 24p 50M(1,920x1,080/960fps) Sensor Readout Number of effective pixels, Quality Priority: 240fps/250fps(1,676x942), 480fps/500fps(1,676x566), 960fps/1000fps(1,136x384)/Shoot Time Priority:240fps/250fps(1,676x566), 480fps/500fps(1,136x384), 960fps/1000fps(800x270)


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That video shows a rather obvious rolling shutter effect. But, Sony claims it has an anti-distortion shutter. I'm curious how that'll work out.

Eye AF and the flip screen make it a strong choice for vlogging, no doubt.
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That 1/10,000+ or 1/32,000 of a second Sony has always liked to brag about only applies to stills or time lapse. In video it is nothing close to that in terms of scanning rate (or sensor readout rate) hence you will always see skewed lines and wobbles if the camera moves faster than it should be in practice.

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I wonder if the little guy will be able to focus like the RX10 IV... if it can replicate this, I'm sold.


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I wonder if the little guy will be able to focus like the RX10 IV... if it can replicate this, I'm sold.

https://youtu.be/1YyvqmX9mVY
No, contrast detect only and no AF-C. One touch afs, manual, zone. Its a 24mm equivalent lens, so not a lot of need for continuous AF.
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No, contrast detect only and no AF-C. One touch afs, manual, zone. Its a 24mm equivalent lens, so not a lot of need for continuous AF.
No biggie, I figured as much and most of the time I don't want the camera focusing at all anyhow.

As for the RX10 IV, it is huge but it's earning a spot in my bag. Really enjoying composing with the zoom lens on that thing.


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No 4K60 in 2019? Come on Sony...
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No 4K60 in 2019? Come on Sony...
I know, my DJI done does 4K/60 using that same sensor!

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My two weeks with the RX0 II came and went very quickly. This was a bit of an odd situation when it came to the review sample, Sony sent them out through lensrentals.com. So, I did not get the original packaging with it. Instead, I got the kit that lensrentals is renting. The loan time for the review unit was rather short by any standard, only two weeks. I was able to use the camera numerous situations, but didn’t really get to the point where I felt comfortable with it, the way I like to feel comfortable with photo gear. That prevented me from using it spontaneously. Regardless, here are some fast impressions…

While I appreciate the build quality, from a pragmatic perspective the all metal body makes it prone to getting dinged or scratched… drop this camera and it’ll leave a mark. In this regard, I find the GoPro Hero7 Black more appealing and robust.

No question, if you buy this camera, you should buy it for the sensor. It is capable of capturing tremendously high quality images, considering the size of the device. You won’t get video of this quality in low light out of any other “action” style camera that I’m familiar with.

The issue is, I’m willing to carry a larger camera so that I can have some sort of mechanical stabilization be part of the package. Oh, and aperture control.

The little door on the rear that protects the HDMI, USB, microSD card, and audio port is fiddly, and does not inspire confidence. It's an odd use of flimsy plastic in an otherwise solid piece of hardware.

Mounting on a gimbal seems like a good approach, that way you can take full advantage of the image quality without having to worry about its somewhat limited stabilization capabilities.

A sound capture strikes me is excellent for device the size, reinforcing the idea that this could be a “darling” of the vlogger world. Moreover, it’s got a microphone input. In fact, you basically get the whole Sony feature set that you find on the larger cameras.

Ultimately, I have a few problems with this camera. One, it does not do 4K/60. Osmo Pocket does, which pretty much determines which camera I’m going to grab for 4K shooting. I’m also not a fan of the tiny battery and I found menu navigation a pain in the butt with a tiny text on the screen and the tiny buttons you have to use to make selections. It certainly makes the GoPro Hero7 voice commands seem like a brilliant idea.

Long story short is that this camera did not differentiate itself sufficiently to motivate me to use it the way I had anticipated I would. That has a little bit to do with the fact that busy, and a little bit to do with the fact that I already possess a large number of cameras. But this I can tell you, if a camera captures my imagination, you cannot pry it out of my hands. That’s exactly how it is with the Sony RX10 IV and a6500 cameras I own, the Osmo Pocket and my GoPros (H7B and Fusion)… and the Insta360. I quite literally found myself in numerous situations where I had to make a decision about how is going to capture a shot, and simply did not find the RX0 II to be the right choice at the moment.

I have some demo images I’ll be glad to share, but first I need to pack this thing up and get it returned, because times up. The long story short is I don’t see myself buying this camera. When it comes to pocketable 1 inch sensors, I’ve got a Ricoh Theta Z1X on order and expect to get a ton of use out of it.

But, if I was a selfie vlogger I’d probably be singing a different tune and praising the reversible flip screen and face recognition etc.

I don't see myself doing a full review on this camera, basically because the focus of its feature set produces too many compromises in terms of what I'd want to be able to do with a camera featuring a sensor that large, that fits in my pocket.

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DJI pocket action cam has leaked. I suspect this device will have a hard time surviving that product's release.

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DJI pocket action cam has leaked. I suspect this device will have a hard time surviving that product's release.
It might have a hard time surviving owing to general lack of knowledge but I first noticed that MarkR's video above has better shadow detail, then when I read how he shot it SLog2 ETTR +2EV and used Alister Chapman's luts, there are good reasons it should be showing the improved shadow detail that gave that impression. I've seen some DJ footage that shows beautiful color and nice ATW, a lot of it lacks much shadow detail however. SLog2 is a feature a more skillful, discerning videographer could use to expand DR which isn't at all about how a camera rolls off highlights as it is about how deep into the shadows a camera can see while not clipping the highlights, and that's how he used it.

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It might have a hard time surviving owing to general lack of knowledge but I first noticed that MarkR's video above has better shadow detail, then when I read how he shot it SLog2 ETTR +2EV and used Alister Chapman's luts, there are good reasons it should be showing the improved shadow detail that gave that impression. I've seen some DJ footage that shows beautiful color and nice ATW, a lot of it lacks much shadow detail however. SLog2 is a feature a more skillful, discerning videographer could use to expand DR which isn't at all about how a camera rolls off highlights as it is about how deep into the shadows a camera can see while not clipping the highlights, and that's how he used it.
Totally. Benefit of the big ole 1" sensor no doubt. Now if only DJI would come out with an Osmo Pocket Pro 1".

I'm certainly aware Sony positions these as production cameras and I think that's where they are most useful. I'm willing to classify it as "remarkable" even if it did not work for my needs.

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Now if only DJI would come out with an Osmo Pocket Pro 1".
It's certainly amazing. Maybe they have already O-Log, or can add it if they don't, would cover yet another Sony feature.

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It's certainly amazing. Maybe they have already O-Log, or can add it if they don't, would cover yet another Sony feature.
DJI's drone cameras do have a log option, but the Osmo Pocket does not (just Cinelike D).
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Shot in Slog2, EV +2.0. Alistair Chapman LUTs.
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If there is any practical need to use log gammas nothing needs it more than drone and action cameras. There is no way to set up the lighting or if it can be done at all it invariably costs time, money and of course certain fleeting moments that get away. Some types of shooting that for me require either RAW or log recording are beach or sea scenes from land or boat decks, motorcycle ride PoV etc. You need all the help you can get under those conditions to tame the brightness ranges and the use of supplementary lighting, although preferred, is either cost prohibitive or not possible.

Log shooting for me works noticeably better with bigger size sensors, Super 35 or fullframe 35 perhaps due to the superior sensitivity if nothing else. On most or all Sony cameras I have tried Slog 2 seems to be the best compromise and quite effective for 8 bit or 10 bit recording. The loss of color gradation in the midtones is not much and the noise is often acceptable. Slog 3 has proved the most effective for my shooting but I have found the A7SII to be the only camera that can handle it acceptably (8 bit XAVC-S) because of the sensitivity and DR. On other cameras with less sensitive sensors the image just falls apart with overwhelming levels of noise and banding after moderate grading.

8 bit HLG is good too, particularly for specular highlight capture, on Sony cameras that have it but post production and delivery are very problematic to put it mildly. Log gamma recording is at least for now a lot more viewer friendly whether outputting to either the standard SDR or HDR10 format.
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There is no difficulty with the brightness range of any camera because it's only a matter of exposure. If you choose not to overexpose the highlights, you may have problems with noise in the low keys.

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