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new Mac Pro and 32" 6K Pro Display XDR

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Introducing the most configurable, expandable Mac ever and the world’s best pro display. Mac Pro has a Xeon processor with up to 28 cores, numerous expansion slots, and the most memory capacity ever in a Mac. It also offers the world’s most powerful graphics card and a new accelerator card that eliminates the need for proxy workflows. Pro Display XDR completes the system with a 32-inch, Retina 6K display delivering extreme dynamic range, a P3 wide color gamut, and remarkable contrast ratio. Coming Fall 2019.


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They should stick the new 12 core 7nm AMD Ryzen 9 3900X in the current Mac Pro for an ultra fast Mac for half the price of the new base 8 core Mac Pro .
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You know what would be the greatest feature for me? The $1K!!! optional rotatable display stand to deal with all those funky, new age portrait videos I have to deal with almost everyday.
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It’s not an OLED and that will disappoint many in the Apple community who were actually hoping for that. I’m sure the price will be ‘Apple breath-taking’.

However with over 500 dimming zones on a small 32” display, it should have very good precision, for an LCD, in controlling light/dark values. Of course having a self-emissive display where every pixel is addressable, is better.

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https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/03/maxed...cost-estimate/


Like I said before they need to upgrade the current 2013 Mac Pro to 2019 specs and keep the $2,999 base price since $5,999 base is way too high for consumers. I had the 2008 Mac Pro cheese grader and prefer the 2013 trash can since you could use an ultra fast external Thunderbolt drive for 4K and 8K video.

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Aside from the $1K optional stand, it's another $1K for a special matte screen. The max refresh rate is only 60Hz so if you happen to be among those who shoot at 100fps or 120fps and sometimes want to review the effects in realtime playback you need another higher refresh screen.

On the computer itself the $6K base price gets you only 256GB of storage (which is the exact same base capacity the trash can Mac Pro had when it came out six years ago) and a single AMD Radeon Pro 580X display card (which is only slightly faster than the standard Radeon Pro 580 card installed as standard in the 5K non-pro iMac). Well done Apple, that is something.
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Cleaning the dust out of the air intakes looks like it will be fun

The only way for it to stay looking cool on your desk is probably to keep the power switched off. Otherwise the front is going to be caked with dust that looks like it will be hard to get rid of with that design.
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Like I said before they need to upgrade the current 2013 Mac Pro to 2019 specs and keep the $2,999 base price since $5,999 base is way too high for consumers. I had the 2008 Mac Pro cheese grader and prefer the 2013 trash can since you could use an ultra fast external Thunderbolt drive for 4K and 8K video.

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Cleaning the dust out of the air intakes looks like it will be fun

The only way for it to stay looking cool on your desk is probably to keep the power switched off. Otherwise the front is going to be caked with dust that looks like it will be hard to get rid of with that design.
I agree, that is why I like my current Mac Pro. It takes a second to pop the cover off and use my blower . On my tower cases like my old 2008 Mac Pro and PCs it is much harder to clean the inside.
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Cleaning the dust out of the air intakes looks like it will be fun

The only way for it to stay looking cool on your desk is probably to keep the power switched off. Otherwise the front is going to be caked with dust that looks like it will be hard to get rid of with that design.
If you can afford the unit you can pay someone to clean it.
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So I'm still using my 2009 mac pro upgraded to a 12 Core with ssd's and fastest gpu it would support. What a machine that I've been able to upgrade it at least once and still use it after 10 years but it's starting to show its age.

The New Mac Pro, I think Apple has finally lost it. You can likely custom build a machine out with similar specs as the 6k machine for half the money or in the 3-4k price range. Now Apple does have a pretty nice chassis with all fan cooling no liquid, 8 pcie slots, multiple ports. Apple's using Xeon processors again which given most buy a PC for gaming or edit work it's not the best setup or is worth the extra cost.

Ran some custom PC builds, you can get the latest i9 18 core or AMD 32 core installed, 64gb memory single gpu with space for 2, 2 on board drives and space for 2 bus drives and end up in the 6500-7500 range depending on options. We don't know what Apple's price will be on the 24/28 core with top end gpu will run but I'd say 10-12k minimum. The Mac Pro is a beast though I'll give them that, it's nice to see an upgradable machine instead of a Mac Mini Pro last time but the sticker shock is going to drive most of their Pro users away including myself, that is if there are any left since there hasn't been a replacement in 7 years. Hard to believe I won't be buying it after 20 years of buying Mac's but unless they do something on the price I don't have much choice.

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Windows 10 PCs are much lower in cost.

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For productivity cards like the Quadro series kick the snot out of the consumer cards.
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6 years ago, a look back

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So if the base machine is 6k the 28 core upgrade will add around 7500.00 from what I'm reading. That's before any memory, storage or gpu upgrades, so definitely over 12K cost even if you don't upgrade anything other than processor. You can get a top end PC for 7500.00 but that's before memory, storage and gpu options only base options but highly upgradable down the road with 4 gpu support as well

Maxing out the 28 core option will come in around 50K. Just looking at base prices around 7500.00 for a built PC vs 12-13500 for the base 28 core and on up from there. Actual price is unknown for now but somewhere around 6K more. Paying a lot more for Xeon vs Intel or AMD plus Apple chassis. Apple's generally been more expensive all along, maybe the numbers are so much bigger now it seems like it's a lot more markup but maybe it's about the same.

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The guy Michael Fisher over at Mr. Mobile probably summed it up best when it comes to using Apple products as productivity tools these days. He said if it weren't for FCPX which he had had to rely on getting his work on his channel done he would have moved on. I believe that same logic and work habit apply to a large number of Mac users, including me, too. If it weren't for this one particular software for myself or maybe Logic Pro X or a very few other platform exclusive apps for some other users, we, and I for certainty, would have moved on from the Mac by now.

To me personally Apple has come a long way from the day it had a peerless and perfectly affordable tool to transform the jumbled, uninteresting heaps of bloated raw footage from the first generation consumer digital Mini DV or Digital 8 camcorders to no less than fully watchable, even great looking final videos via both computers or DVDs that had no less than full disc menu features such as chapters, slideshows, selectable audio tracks, selectable video titles etc. To me at least the company had given an affordable, very user friendly tool that enabled myself and other viewers to appreciate the otherwise jumbled experience in a way it should be remembered and enjoyed.

And by the way the iMac I used in 2001 had arguably the industry's finest built-in monitor arm that pivoted around in all directions by using just a finger tip, except for turning vertical. It came standard with the full-fledged computer itself that also had a very capable DVD reader/writer. All for $1,400 including iMovie, iTunes and iDVD, then perhaps the world's greatest video production suite ANYONE could use. How great? Without it, I no doubt would have moved on.
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The new Apple display pretty much sums up what is wrong at Apple right now, trying to sell the stand separately for 999.00. For the stand. I mean who cares about the stand, really? And yet we're supposed to shell out a grand for it. I've been an Apple user for 20 plus years but this has passed the point of absurd.

There is actually a time and product that Apple did this with once before. It was called the Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh released in 1997, which I managed to acquire one years later and still have as a collector's piece. It was a 7500.00 elite example of form over function and this display is basically that all over again. You would think they would learn their lesson but twenty years later here we are again. That computer was not even the top of the line at the time, yet was the most expensive because of a perceived inflated value because of its unusual one-off design departure. This stand which is priced more than an iPhone, it's nothing special. I expect to have it included, I expect it to be likely plastic and that's OK. I'm looking at the screen, not the stand. It rotates, so does my 400.00 4K Asus.

It's sad to even consider moving to PC vs Mac. I prefer OS X vs Windows and I'll likely keep Mac for my laptop use but for the heavy lifting, it'll have to be a PC build, will have to look at installing OS X on it.

In the past Apple had competitive prices and while usually you could get a PC build cheaper, the Mac product was generally not too far off, you didn't have to take out a second mortgage to pick one up.

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The new Mac Pro has a starting price of $5999 for the base model featuring:
  • 8-core Xeon processor
  • 32GB RAM
  • AMD WX 7100 GPU
  • 256GB SSD storage
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Apple announced today that its new Mac Pro starts at an already pricey $6,000, but the company neglected to mention how much the top-of-the-line model will cost. So we shopped around for equivalent parts to the top-end spec that Apple’s promising. As it turns out: $33,720.88 is likely the bare minimum — and that’s before factoring in the four GPUs, which could easily jack that price up to around $45,000.


The 28 core CPU option is definitely the Xeon W-3275M. The reason the cache numbers don’t match up is because Apple’s number includes L2 cache (which is 1MB per core) in addition to L3 (what Intel ARK lists). So in the case of the W3275M, it’s 28MB L2 + 38.5 L3 = 66.5MB, exactly as Apple lists on their product specifications page.
These are the other CPU options in the new Mac Pro:
8-Core / 3.5GHz Intel Xeon W / 8 cores, 16 threads / Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz / 24.5MB cache / Support for up to 1TB 2666MHz memory
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-3-50-ghz.html
12-Core / 3.3GHz Intel Xeon W / 12 cores, 24 threads / Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz / 31.25MB cache / Support for up to 1TB 2933MHz memory
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-3-30-ghz.html
16-Core / 3.2GHz Intel Xeon W / 16 cores, 32 threads / Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz / 38MB cache / Support for up to 1TB 2933MHz memory
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-3-20-ghz.html
24-Core / 2.7GHz Intel Xeon W / 24 cores, 48 threads / Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz / 57MB cache / Support for up to 2TB 2933MHz memory
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-2-70-ghz.html




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The new Apple display pretty much sums up what is wrong at Apple right now, trying to sell the stand separately for 999.00. For the stand. I mean who cares about the stand, really? And yet we're supposed to shell out a grand for it. I've been an Apple user for 20 plus years but this has passed the point of absurd.

There is actually a time and product that Apple did this with once before. It was called the Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh released in 1997, which I managed to acquire one years later and still have as a collector's piece. It was a 7500.00 elite example of form over function and this display is basically that all over again. You would think they would learn their lesson but twenty years later here we are again. That computer was not even the top of the line at the time, yet was the most expensive because of a perceived inflated value because of its unusual one-off design departure. This stand which is priced more than an iPhone, it's nothing special. I expect to have it included, I expect it to be likely plastic and that's OK. I'm looking at the screen, not the stand. It rotates, so does my 400.00 4K Asus.

It's sad to even consider moving to PC vs Mac. I prefer OS X vs Windows and I'll likely keep Mac for my laptop use but for the heavy lifting, it'll have to be a PC build, will have to look at installing OS X on it.

In the past Apple had competitive prices and while usually you could get a PC build cheaper, the Mac product was generally not too far off, you didn't have to take out a second mortgage to pick one up.
You can't be a cool kid if you have some glaringly obvious mismatched stand connected to your fancy monitor. It is looks that count for these people, not functionality. That has always been the priority for the Apple crowd. The presumed status implied by ownership of one of their products is the principle factor in their buying choice.

The stand is likely metal btw. It also likely has some fairly complex gears and counterbalances inside to ensure ease of motion and stability, so it might actually be worth something like what they are charging. You can get some reasonably expensive articulated monitor supports, the price of which varies depending on the quality and complexity of the mechanical bits inside them.

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BTW I got my current Mac Pro about the same time as when I got the GH4 in the spring of 2014 and it still runs great.


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You can't be a cool kid if you have some glaringly obvious mismatched stand connected to your fancy monitor. It is looks that count for these people, not functionality. That has always been the priority for the Apple crowd. The presumed status implied by ownership of one of their products is the principle factor in their buying choice.

The stand is likely metal btw. It also likely has some fairly complex gears and counterbalances inside to ensure ease of motion and stability, so it might actually be worth something like what they are charging. You can get some reasonably expensive articulated monitor supports, the price of which varies depending on the quality and complexity of the mechanical bits inside them.
Yes, true on looks for some. For a Pro machine, they never should have left the tower to begin with. Common sense you can fit more inside since it's larger and easier in a box shape vs round. Now there's nothing wrong with the 2013 Mac Pro, I just wouldn't have used that product to replace the Mac Pro line. It would have been the Mac Mini Pro and then keep the Mac Pro tower line going, adding thunderbolt which never happened on previous architecture.

The stand, it's machined Al base and riser, Apple somehow managed to sell nearly 90 percent of that type of product on iMacs for the last 10 plus years without doubling the price. The magnetic connector is new, but I can see problems there if it relies only on magnetic connection. Magnets aren't 100% secure. And you'll have to at least buy the Vesa adapter at 200 because Apple figures they can start some new proprietary connector, what else is new? And again, you're magnetically secured, not hardware secured. Unless, there's additional screws I don't know about.

The biggest problem isn't the stand, it's the display. 6k resolution packed into 32" and 5,000 price tag. Not worth it. It's too small for that much resolution. 36-40" would be far easier at sitting position. I already have to move up to within 2' or closer on my 28" UHD display, if I really want to notice the resolution.

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It isn't a TV though. 2' away is reasonable, I am about that distance from my monitor right now (it is a 32' 4K model). You can see some stepping at that distance, especially on fine lines, since pixels are just resolvable at that distance. 6K or 8K would solve that, BUT, you need proper scaling though.
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You can't be a cool kid if you have some glaringly obvious mismatched stand connected to your fancy monitor. It is looks that count for these people, not functionality. That has always been the priority for the Apple crowd. The presumed status implied by ownership of one of their products is the principle factor in their buying choice.

The stand is likely metal btw. It also likely has some fairly complex gears and counterbalances inside to ensure ease of motion and stability, so it might actually be worth something like what they are charging. You can get some reasonably expensive articulated monitor supports, the price of which varies depending on the quality and complexity of the mechanical bits inside them.
I think that's a bit unfair. Many of us love using FCP and that only exists within the Apple ecosystem, not Windows. So being tied to a particular app, in this case FCP, is a major motivation. I also have a relatively new HP all-in-one (newer than my iMac) and yet still find myself gravitating to the Mac 95% of the time...and the HP is equally 'pretty'...in fact I'd say it's prettier since it doesn't have the relatively ugly large bezels of the iMac.

I used to think like you until I got my iMac. Using the OS day in and day out greatly changed my opinion of Apple computers. In fact, most people I know who have Macs could care less about the looks. Most of them have had bad experiences with Windows' stability and its endless software upgrades. They largely find the Mac OS to be more enjoyable.
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It isn't a TV though. 2' away is reasonable, I am about that distance from my monitor right now (it is a 32' 4K model). You can see some stepping at that distance, especially on fine lines, since pixels are just resolvable at that distance. 6K or 8K would solve that, BUT, you need proper scaling though.
I don't use scaling, in Windows I do but I'm not in there other than for a couple NLE's and then I boot back in OS X. If I lean back in my chair at a relaxed position, I'm beyond 2', closer to 3.5' and then 4K is pretty useless, 6K would be even more so. It's good that Apple cares about resolution though, finally. Somehow we were stuck at HD resolution for monitors for like 10 years.

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I think that's a bit unfair. .......?
I used to think like you until I got my iMac. Using the OS day in and day out greatly changed my opinion of Apple computers. In fact, most people I know who have Macs could care less about the looks. Most of them have had bad experiences with Windows' stability and its endless software upgrades. They largely find the Mac OS to be more enjoyable.
Financial and aesthetic considerations aside, you and I probably could see our FCPX as not a $299 app. It could very well be $1K, 10K or more if the insatiable urge to have the company's newest hardware can't be controlled. I don't see many people, professionals or otherwise, who really need this kind of hardware to get things done. I'm sure 95% or perhaps 99% can get by with inconsequential extra waiting time or problems. But Tugela is right, the bragging rights could be worth the sticker shock for some.
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Financial and aesthetic considerations aside, you and I probably could see our FCPX as not a $299 app. It could very well be $1K, 10K or more if the insatiable urge to have the company's newest hardware can't be controlled. I don't see many people, professionals or otherwise, who really need this kind of hardware to get things done. I'm sure 95% or perhaps 99% can get by with inconsequential extra waiting time or problems. But Tugela is right, the bragging rights could be worth the sticker shock for some.
Perhaps for ‘some’, but surely nobody that I know that uses a Mac.

BTW, mine is a ‘late 2015’ 27” 5K IMac, and it still does a great job today. Never really felt the upgrade urge.
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The iMac Pro was selling for $3,999 over a year ago and it had much better specs than the new base Mac Pro for $5,999.
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Micro Center’s deal applies to the base level iMac Pro. This gets you a 3.2GHz Intel Xeon W processor, 32GB of RAM, a 1TB SSD, and more. Here are the full specs for the machine:
  • 27″ Retina 5K Display
  • Intel Xeon W Processor 3.2GHz
  • macOS High Sierra
  • 32GB DDR4 RAM
  • 1TB Solid State Drive
  • AMD Radeon Pro Vega 56 8GB HBM2
  • SDXC Card Slot
  • 10Gb Ethernet
  • 802.11ac Wireless
  • Bluetooth 4.2
https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/13/imac-pro-sale-1000-off/


https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/29...1000-off-deal/


The new base Mac Pro comes with the AMD Radeon Pro 580X that much slower than the AMD Radeon Pro Vega 56 8GB HBM2 in the base iMac Pro. It also only has a 256GB SSD.
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Base specs may be better but the new Mac Pro is way better for upgrading vs a preconfigured machine that you can't do anything with years later. Problem is the starting price is so much. 6K really puts it out there. Makes you think they aren't really targeting normal home computer Pro users rather commercial pro users. And no Nvidia support so that will likely keep some away.

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