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As with other Isocell sensors, the new HMX will benefit from Samsung's Tetracell technology, which enables four sensors to act as a single photosite (for greater sensitivity to illumination) in order to produce 27MP images in low light conditions.


In addition, the HMX supports video recording "without losses in field-of-view" at 6K resolution up to 30 frames per second. Again, this is a technology that only a few high-end digital cameras can offer – such as the just-announced Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K.


While we don't know when the Xiaomi 108MP phone will be released, Samsung's announcement stated that, "Mass production for Samsung ISOCELL Bright HMX will begin later this month."


We expect the Samsung Galaxy S11 to be announced in the company's traditional slot for the S line, that being February 2020. Expect plenty more leaks between now and then…
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Samsung Electronics, a world leader in advanced semiconductor technology, today introduced 108 megapixel (Mp) Samsung ISOCELL Bright HMX, the first mobile image sensor in the industry to go beyond 100 million pixels. With the latest addition, Samsung will expand its 0.8μm image sensor offerings from its recently announced ultra-high 64Mp to 108Mp, a resolution equivalent to that of a high-end DSLR camera. Samsung ISOCELL Bright HMX is a one-of-a-kind mobile image sensor and is the result of close collaboration between Xiaomi Corp. and Samsung.

With over 100 million effective pixels enabling extremely sharp photographs rich in detail, the ISOCELL Bright HMX also produces exceptional photos even in extreme lighting conditions. Being the first mobile image sensor to adopt a large 1/1.33-inch size, the HMX can absorb more light in low-lit settings than smaller sensors and its pixel-merging Tetracell technology allows the sensor to imitate big-pixel sensors, producing brighter 27Mp images. In bright environments, the Smart-ISO, a mechanism that intelligently selects the level of amplifier gains according to the illumination of the environment for optimal light-to-electric signal conversion, switches to a low ISO to improve pixel saturation and produce vivid photographs. The mechanism uses a high ISO in darker settings that helps reduce noise, resulting in clearer pictures. For advanced filming, the HMX supports video recording without losses in field-of-view at resolutions up to 6K (6016 x 3384) 30-frames-per-second (fps).
https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...or-smartphones


Nikon should use that sensor in the upgrade to the P1000 superzoom in the next year or so.
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Nikon should use that sensor in the upgrade to the P1000 superzoom in the next year or so.
The P1000 needs their latest processor, not a new sensor. Having the latest sensor is not worth a bag of beans if you stick in old processors left over from discontinued DSLR models. The P1000 and its successors will always be a shadow of what they could have been if Nikon continues to do that. Exactly how short on cash are they if they have to cannibalize parts from old warehouses?

For example, the "clean HDMI" output from the camera is nothing more than the feed that normally would have gone to the LCD. It is actually significantly worse than the internal recording, lol. Quality improves a bit if you record internally as well as through the HDMI port, presumably because the camera is handling a bit more data than a nominal live view image for the LCD. They made a big deal out of it claiming that videographers would use that function when in actual fact is completely useless and a downgrade from what the camera does internally. Which is a shame because you might like to use the HDMI to avoid the terrible compression Nikon uses for video in these cameras.

If Nikon were serious about the P1000 they would not half arsed stick in a bunch of leftover parts from other cameras into it.
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"The 1/1.33" format equates to around 9.6 x 7.2mm, which is around 40% smaller than a 1"-type sensor, but nearly 3 times larger than the 1/2.5"-type chips in the many of smartphones. The Tetracell design, much like Sony's 'Quad Bayer' technology, places four pixels under each color of its color filter, making it easy to combine pixels to give better performance at 1/4 resolution, but also means additional processing needs to be done to attempt to replicate what a standard Bayer sensor would capture, if it had 108 megapixels."
https://www.dpreview.com/news/079999...-camera-sensor
P1000 : 1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm)
P1100 ? : 1/1.33" format equates to around 9.6 x 7.2mm so it should still hit 2000mm eqiv with a 539mm FL lens and 3.7x crop factor compared with 2.7x crop on the 1" superzoom cameras. 5.39-539mm 20-2000mm eqiv. 100x would be fantastic with a 108/27mp hybrid sensor. Cropped 27mp images should equal to a 3000mm eqiv. from the P1000.
BTW the Kodak AZ1000 has a 102x 19.5-1989mm eqiv. lens on the smaller 1/2.3" sensor.
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The P1000 needs their latest processor, not a new sensor.....

If Nikon were serious about the P1000 they would not half arsed stick in a bunch of leftover parts from other cameras into it.
I heard the news the other day profits at Nikon had plunged by over 70% from the previous fiscal year. This may have had a lot to do with what you describe about the P1000 and to me not only the P1000 but the entire F-mount and Z-mount systems in particular. Their new mirrorless cameras are largely a meh! So are the newer lenses. There is nothing particularly special on the stills front, which has always been the company's bread and butter for over a hundred years as they often say. In video? Probably good enough for holiday shooting if you happen to have the lenses, I guess. As a matter of fact if you look at their entire range of photographic products being offered, our much maligned P1000 would still be the most interesting, most innovative IMO in terms of technical achievement and how it can actually be used compared to the competition.

Just hope whatever happens the company doesn't go the way of Kodak. Remember that Super-8 cinecamera with a flipout LCD screen they touted 2 or 3 years back? Where in hell is that now?
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"The 1/1.33" format equates to around 9.6 x 7.2mm, which is around 40% smaller than a 1"-type sensor, but nearly 3 times larger than the 1/2.5"-type chips in the many of smartphones. The Tetracell design, much like Sony's 'Quad Bayer' technology, places four pixels under each color of its color filter, making it easy to combine pixels to give better performance at 1/4 resolution, but also means additional processing needs to be done to attempt to replicate what a standard Bayer sensor would capture, if it had 108 megapixels."
https://www.dpreview.com/news/079999...-camera-sensor
P1000 : 1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm)
P1100 ? : 1/1.33" format equates to around 9.6 x 7.2mm so it should still hit 2000mm eqiv with a 539mm FL lens and 3.7x crop factor compared with 2.7x crop on the 1" superzoom cameras. 5.39-539mm 20-2000mm eqiv. 100x would be fantastic with a 108/27mp hybrid sensor. Cropped 27mp images should equal to a 3000mm eqiv. from the P1000.
BTW the Kodak AZ1000 has a 102x 19.5-1989mm eqiv. lens on the smaller 1/2.3" sensor.
It might be possible to put this sensor in place of the old one and make some minor adjustments on the lens to ensure coverage of the full image circle but Nikon being Nikon, the possibility they could come up with the IP that is capable enough to execute pixel downsampling of this unprecedented data size in realtime plus other aspects of key image processing such as noise reduction, face/object identification and tracking, and encoding all in realtime for final 4K footage even at 30p or 24p is very dim to put it mildly. It would help take better stills with a higher effective resolution and lower noise but the current P1000 is already adequate in this regard.

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Why don't they call it 3/4 ?
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