Originally Posted by Tom Roper
There are many reasons for passing on the Z CAM E2 in favor of BMD P6K.
E2 is noisy when underexposed with abundant fixed pattern noise
E2 does not have hand holdable ergonomics without accessories
E2 does not have a credible viewer, it is the size of a postage stamp
E2 uses an ineffective RAW format that eats up space and is no better than ProRes
E2 has a cumbersome raw workflow that requires a conversion step
E2 has no raw video playback
I don't need another M43 body, already have two
I do need a S35 body with EF mount for the many EF lenses I have.
I don't need 120 fps 4K, already have it in the F55.
I like the direction Z Cam seems headed, but none of my pro peers use it, I will get paid work from BMD P6K. If I wanted a camera that infringed copyrighted images, property and logos and clandestine video of people who don't know they are being used for YouTube video, then the Z Cam has been well represented here.
Some of what you say is ok, some of it is petty and offensive. I'll ignore those parts and respond to the camera stuff. I think we all see that this is just tit for tat anyway.
I agree that ZRAW is pretty worthless, but it is not required. With the camera you purchased you have
to use RAW to get anything exceptional out of it. ZRAW is not necessary for any frame rate/resolution combo on the Z Cam. You and the people you quote do not fully understand what is going on with ZRAW - it has no in-camera noise reduction relative to other codecs. As a consequence there is more detail compared to the other codecs but more noise out of the camera. At the end of the day, the in-camera noise-reduction is superb (which ZRAW bypasses) and I agree that ZRAW is not worth much. But ZRAW noise if you underexpose by four or five stops (which is what those guys you posted are talking about) - only an idiot would shoot that way, and I am not sure why anyone would focus on that. It is a fact, but really? Anyway, I do not need to shoot ZRAW with the Z Cam and I won't use it. I tried it once, and posted the result here. Mostly I just post video examples, usually not engaging in hyperbole. I don't think I ever said anything about ZRAW, though the ZRAW example I posted looks perfectly fine, because it was actually exposed properly.
Note that the video posted to start this thread was not shot in ZRAW, so this focus by you on ZRAW is gratuitous. Again, I think ZRAW is superfluous on the Z Cam, but for your camera RAW is required for what you want to do with it. No choice.
All of my videos were shot handheld using the "postage-size" LCD. I have no problem focusing or framing with it - I use and see waveform, peaking, magnification, everything I need is just a lens and the camera, that's it. Inconspicuous as a GH camera and less conspicuous than the BM cameras. I don't need glasses, so maybe only I can shoot with this camera without rigging it up. But, I can and do shoot handheld with it as well as with any camera with a good-OIS lens. You may not like my videos, but what you dislike has nothing to do with camera limitations, which is what is relevant here. Indeed, perhaps you should refrain from going down the route of commenting on content in an equipment forum. Do you comment on Philip Bloom's videos of people as "clandestine" videos? I refrain from calling professionally-lit videos of people talking in a chair or on a stage as hack videos.
No one is criticizing you for choosing the BM camera, or criticizing your extensive knowledge of videography. The BM camera is exactly right for your limited purpose, and your fine lens collection. As long as you shoot slowly moving people you do not need a camera with a decent rolling shutter performance or frame rates higher than 30.
The posted video starting this thread was about lowlight, and you can see it does well. I liked the low-light Vegas video you posted from the BM camera too; it is also a good low-light performer. Just as an antidote to the ugly and misleading picture with noise you posted in this thread, here is again the night video shot with the low-cost Z Cam:
Low-light performance from the Z Cam is one of its strengths. Btw, this "clandestine" video was included by Z Cam in their collection of videos showing off their cameras.