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PHOTO PROOF of horrific 4K Rendered video !!!

Hello All,

Newbie to forum but not to camcorder but certaintly to 4k camcorders.

So - Wow! what a disappointment my Panasonica 4K VXF1 turned out to be. Firstly, i learn ( after forking out £600 ) that it's nothing more than a Panny 800 ! ( and has reduced HD quality - making my aged Panny TM700 give a run for it's money ! ) secondly, no 4k features in-built on camera.

Boy was i miffed.

However, best till last. ( And just mention i have posted a thread similar on AVForum - helpful but not in a 4k way - and they recommended your good selves as deal more with 4k. )

SO, the issue where's my tissue!

I edit on Videostudio 2018 ( future features even more buggy !, i have tried PremierePro but my PC just about appears capable..using Motion Array transitions etc ..i think I7 6700 / Geforce 970 /Ram 32 / 4core/64 bit...is basically in need of a processor or graphics cards facelift.


I filmed some 4k footage, on a stand. Nothing special. Brought it into Videostudio. Rendered. No problems. yes,a little juddery to edit ( but even HD footage had that problem..although not quite so bad. ) , the frames dropped a little...but Rendered and no probs..looked..great...dare i say very great. I suspect outcome was 1080 etc and not watching on 4k tv..but heck..happy result.

NOW, I edited my little short video, and i decided to do a slight Zoom into a person ( all the time would do that whilst editing, HD, no issues at all )...when i rendered this...the outcome was...well...see the stills. The first shot is great...look at the second - LOOK AT IT - THIS IS FROM 4K FOOTAGE. This is from the SAME video..literally..I kid you not. The only difference was, i placed a slight zoom onto it. ( Not - in-camera..i didnt zoom )...also, because i tested again..i added al ittle brighteness...a crop from Videostudio..and AGAIN..same dreadful mid 80's well used porn video quality.

So - put this in your pipe and smoke it..anyone out there any thoughts. Is VS just not capable ..yes it renders great..but when asked to slow zoom etc..it cant cope and loses some (a lot! ) of quality and framerate???

Interesting one yes? Btw, i did Smartproxy in VS ( which makes a copy more workable to edit and then renders top quality...but YES..narturally i tried this with and without smartproxy.

SO, lengthy post, sorry, keep up, my PC cant cope? VS cant deal with any 'messing about to the video' ( although transitions ProDad flashes etc no issues at all good quality etc )..

Thoughts on my cruddy Panny btw welcome...so disappointed...i cant even edit 4k in-camera to apply a zoom!!! useless.
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what a disappointment my Panasonica 4K VXF1 turned out to be. Firstly, i learn ( after forking out £600 ) that it's nothing more than a Panny 800 !
Maybe you should have learned that before forking out £600. Here is a B&H customer review:

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Long story short, the Auto White Balance is a mess, yielding either over-saturated or cold muted colors never consistent under the same lighting condition. The image quality from the sensor is fairly grainy, I can't imagine any benefit of shooting at 4K. The lens is not bad, a tad on the soft side. Perhaps due to the super zoom design, at the wide end the image has a strange bloated barrel distortion for any close-up subject in the middle of the lens. The secondary camera next to the LCD screen was next to useless, its 37mm equiv. field of view crops out nearly a third of my face under normal handheld position; low light performance is about 1990s tech, standing in front of my nightstand light, I can barely make out my own face on the screen. The EVF is nothing to write home about; its detachable rubber eye cup does not work for glasses wearer in either orientation. The battery included is so tiny the camcorder only lasted slightly over an hour at 4K30 (multiple short test clips), but this is already the largest capacity Panasonic offers for this model. Charging has to be done in-body via the micro-USB cable, no external charger included. The build quality screams big time cost cutting production. It's all plastic, and that gorgeous looking lens ring wobbles. When the minuscule lens hood is attached, it sits adjacent the lens ring making it next to impossible to turn comfortably.Still picture shutter button is so cheap there is no sense of two-stage depression, although somehow it does do pre-focus. As for the still photo quality, forget about it. Just about the only positives I can think of is how small & light this camcorder is. The AF speed is decent even under low light, although it does micro-hunt occasionally. Overall, this camcorder is likely not up to task for enthusiast use. It's definitely made for casual family events and parents who simply want to turn it on and hit record. End of story.
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making my aged Panny TM700 give a run for it's money !
Agreed, which is why I am keeping the TM700 and the SD600, with their effective 1000-line resolution these are still one of the best HD camcorders, if only they had more bitrate.

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I edit on Videostudio 2018 ( future features even more buggy !, i have tried PremierePro but my PC just about appears capable..using Motion Array transitions etc ..i think I7 6700 / Geforce 970 /Ram 32 / 4core/6 4 bit...is basically in need of a processor or graphics cards facelift.
Out of Premiere, Videostudio and Vegas, the latter is the fastest by a long shot. Download yourself a trial, you might be surprised how fast and fluid video editing can be.

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Interesting one yes? Btw, i did Smartproxy in VS ( which makes a copy more workable to edit and then renders top quality...but YES..narturally i tried this with and without smartproxy.
Vegas is so fast it does not use proxies.
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thanks for the reply albeit disappointed with the clear reality of the turkey i purchased. For the record I did look at a lot of reviews..heck, you can see yourself this is supposed to be a decent, very decent camera...what can i say...everything has bad and good reviews..take your pic i guess. Intresting read though.

I will give Sony Vegas a go then.

Still would like to know re a workaround for my editing issue.

And, to be honest, the 4K quality is very very good.
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Just mention Ungermann that review you kindly posted was not for the camera i have.

That was for the WXF module...Mine is the VXF1...i suspect virtually similar in everyway but mine hasnt the novel 2nd camera.

Still - be interested in others opinions of the VXF1 camcorder. Im far from an expert so all the bits and bobs and numbers and 1080 this and that are lost on me. I just wanted a newer camera to replace my TM700..sad to hear this is basically the TM700 (I must of read the right reviews for that one at the time! )
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Just mention Ungermann that review you kindly posted was not for the camera i have.

That was for the WXF module...Mine is the VXF1...i suspect virtually similar in everyway but mine hasnt the novel 2nd camera.

Still - be interested in others opinions of the VXF1 camcorder. Im far from an expert so all the bits and bobs and numbers and 1080 this and that are lost on me. I just wanted a newer camera to replace my TM700..sad to hear this is basically the TM700 (I must of read the right reviews for that one at the time! )
Oh, my bad.

Regarding the TM700, I shot this with the SD600, which is the same as the TM700 but without focus ring and mic input. I must say, rendering in Vegas, whichever encoder I choose, takes some of the sharpness of the original image, even at 25 Mbit/s. The only valuable feature of VideoStudio for me is that it can cut/join/render AVC video without re-encoding, at least 1080p60, I haven't tried 4K.

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Clearly your problem is on your editing as your cam has a good review
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+4K+VXF1+films
plenty more mixed in these https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+4K+VXF1+films
i moved to 4K in 2014 and no regrets at all.
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