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post #31 of 69 Old 12-31-2007, 07:28 AM
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This is at the highest quality video setting and playback both through a 50" 768p panny plasma and a laptop with a 1440x990 screen.

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IMHO, SD1 and SD3 - are the best.
SD5 - smaller CCDs, more grain, low brightness picture in a very low light.

As far as I know, this is only theoretical - I haven't seen any direct comparisons of performance.
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I received a 16 GB SDHC card as a gift, but have not opened the clamshell package. I'm reluctant to open it in case I need to return it.

I assume this card will work with the HDC-SD5, although the manual does not specifically mention 16 GB as an option. Perhaps the manual is a little out-of-date already?

Has anyone tried a 16 GB card in their SD5?
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I have just published a couple of test clips and stills from my Panasonic HDC-SD5. You can download everything all the way up to the full quality Apple Intermediate file.

Including one low light clip done in a room with very low ambient light and one 25W bulb pretty close to the scene.

http://eirikso.com/2008/01/02/test-c...sonic-hdc-sd5/

So far I like the camera and have no problem with the following workflow:

Camera -> AVCHD to Apple Intermediate -> Edit in iMovie 08 or FC Express 4 -> export and transcode to H.264.
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Great post Eirikso. I'm very impressed with how the toy scan looks in what you describe to be a very low-light situation. There's some distinct motion blur, but the images are very sharp when the camera isn't panning.
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Update: The facts here are wrong. The camera don't go down to 1/25 in full auto mode. See my answer to vladimir80 below.

I'm still working on the best way to deinterlace the clips. In low light the camera will go all the way down to 1/25 sec shutter. Giving some motion blur. Combined with a bit of noise and the MPEG4-encoding this is increased slightly.
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With 1/25 trick, IMHO every camcorder doing much better then 1/50 in low light.

With 1/25, my HV20 Canon generate less noise then my 3CCD Panasonic DX1 at 1/60 (with 3x 1/4" sensor size)

So, please anyone post SD5 lowlight footage with true 1/50(1/60) shutter in a "manual mode".

1/30, 1/25, 1/12, 1/8... - not interesting...
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I did some more tests, and my previous post is wrong. The low light shot in my article was done in full auto, and in that mode the camera don't go down to 1/25.

So, the low light clip in my article is 1/50. The motion blur is probably due to the compression.

I am working on some more low light tests that I will put online soon.
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eirikso,

I wonder how your clips would look uploaded to Vimeo... They've been supporting HD (1280x720) flash clips.

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I'll try to upload to Vimeo later. Right now I have uploaded some more clips. A couple of extra low light tests here:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...w-Light-Clips/

The file name indicates the settings. The main point here was to show the difference between a shutter of 1/50 and a shutter of 1/25.

I have also added some original MTS-streams directly from the camera for the people that want to play around with the AVCHD-files directly:

MTS-files for the low light clips here:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...s-From-Camera/

And some other MTS-files here:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...s-From-Camera/

Hope this helps when you surf around doing your evaluations.
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Thanks for your footage Eirikso.

Shutter_50_Very_Low_Light-18db_gain.M2TS looks like SD5 too much drops the resolution at 18db. (May be strong noise reduction switches on...). Also there are several absolutely black(dark areas) between the parts of foliage that normally received the light.

Shutter_50_Low_Light-18db_gain.M2TS looks better.

Can you post some footage of a night street at 18db?
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Night street is no problem here in Norway right now. It's winter, and darkness starts at 5 pm. LOL. I'll see what I can do.

And by the way, here's one of the clips in Vimeo HD:
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Yes, you can make an ordinary DVD disk which will play on a Blue-ray player. You don't even need a computer if you use the bundled DVD burner. You must use DVD-R disk though. I have tried the Pinn studio 11.1 plus and it will also output to regular DVD-R in the Blue-ray format. The software is very buggy on my Quad core computer, so I am careful to do all titles, transitions and sound seperately, restart the computer before I actually create the DVD-R.
I love my camera, and the low light situation is no problem, as long as you know about it. It is so much better than my previous DVD camera it is ridiculous.
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What settings are y'all using for low-light performance? I could really use some help with my indoors shots.

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@vladimir80:

I've added three more files in this directory:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...s-From-Camera/

Low_Light_Street...

File names indicating settings.
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Hello, I have just joined this forum as I have seen much useful information on the SD5.
I downloaded all the clips from eirisko - thank you.
I am still trying to compare the HV20 (with its CINE feature) to the SD5 and I am keen to know how to change the settings for best low light performance on the SD5. I borrowed friend's HV20 today and plan to go to a shop where I can test the HDC-SD5 and record some footage on the SD card to take home. I would greatly appreciate some help on how to set it before I start recording, so I can see its best performance in low light conditions.
Can anyone please provide some suggestions on which way to go... HV20 or HDC-SD5? I like the size and medium of SD5, but have heard much about the performance of HV20 with its CINE setting for low light performance... please help
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eirikso - would you please be able to take some photos in low light conditions using the HDC-SD5 and post on your site? How long does the battery on the camera last for when recording videos?
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How has anyone found editing AVCHD on a PC? Which software would you recommend? I'm used to working with Vegas. Can the AVCHD clips from HDC-SD5 be imported into something like Vegas and edited the same way as the HDV clips I am used to?
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eirikso - I read more on your review of SD5 and also watched the new clips low light street. In your view, which setting between Auto, 1/50 and 1/25 performs the best - because the footage is slightly different in all 3 situations, I can hardly pick up any difference. Thank you kindly.

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I have just seen the HDC-SD9 online being released by Panasonic - new great features... Also Canon has now released HF10 and HF100 which are memory card cameras... I think I will need to wait till May until they are released...
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I think the 1/25 mode performs best in low light.
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I have done more tests and the audio noise is too disturbing for my use. My conclusion is that the camera is excellent. It has just enough manual control, the image quality is very good and the files imports well on my mac.

But, for me I need audio with no noise. So I need another camera or one with a possibility for an external mic. Conclusion: I returned the camera today. And need to find another one. Maybe a bit of patience and one of the new Canon models (HF10 and HF100) will be the solution?

And if you need examples of the noise please feel free to download one of these samples and listen carefully in a set of high quality headphones. Probably no problem for most people, but too much for me. These clips have audio:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...24x576-50p.mp4
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...60x540-50p.mov
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I use a Zoom H4 for serious music recording. No compressed camcorder can compare. You can use external mikes if you wish, but the internal mikes are quite good. You don't need to run cables to the camcorder, or use wireless mikes. It's easy to sync the audio since the camcorder's audio is easy to match with the imported track.

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I'll try to upload to Vimeo later. Right now I have uploaded some more clips. A couple of extra low light tests here:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...w-Light-Clips/

The file name indicates the settings. The main point here was to show the difference between a shutter of 1/50 and a shutter of 1/25.

I have also added some original MTS-streams directly from the camera for the people that want to play around with the AVCHD-files directly:

MTS-files for the low light clips here:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...s-From-Camera/

And some other MTS-files here:
http://eirikso2.com/Panasonic_HDC-SD...s-From-Camera/

Hope this helps when you surf around doing your evaluations.

Very interested in this camera, but I must say that the clips I've seen do not hold a candle to clips from the Canon HG10, and I suspect even less to the HV20. I'm particularly referencing Eirikso's clip on Vimeo that starts with the baby carriage wheel, goes to snow, fence, and ends with the shot of the highway interchange. Daylight quality in those images at FULL HD on Vimeo with scaling OFF is quite poor compared to what I believe the HG10 (which I used to own but do not now own) would do.

GO to his blog and you can get the Vimeo link there, if it isn't already in this thread. Actually, here's the link to his blog http://eirikso.com/2008/01/04/vimeo-...ion-web-video/

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You must download his clips. If you use the window on his site to play the clips full-screen, they'll look terrible. I downloaded the HD clips, put them in Ulead Studio 11+ and burned them to a DVD. I played the DVD in HD on my Panny BD30 Blu-Ray player on my Pioneer 60" Elite Kuro. It looked very good.
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I received a 16 GB SDHC card as a gift, but have not opened the clamshell package. I'm reluctant to open it in case I need to return it.

I assume this card will work with the HDC-SD5, although the manual does not specifically mention 16 GB as an option. Perhaps the manual is a little out-of-date already?

Has anyone tried a 16 GB card in their SD5?

Since I haven't heard from anyone, I figure that I must be the only one.

So I tried my 16 GB card and it worked !! The display says that the card can hold 167 minutes of HD video.
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You must download his clips. If you use the window on his site to play the clips full-screen, they'll look terrible. I downloaded the HD clips, put them in Ulead Studio 11+ and burned them to a DVD. I played the DVD in HD on my Panny BD30 Blu-Ray player on my Pioneer 60" Elite Kuro. It looked very good.


I followed the procedure he outlined for viewing the clip on Vimeo (set to HD and turn scaling off) and the noise and artifacting was awful. I will try to DL originals and look at those.

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Since I haven't heard from anyone, I figure that I must be the only one.

So I tried my 16 GB card and it worked !! The display says that the card can hold 167 minutes of HD video.

I think you'll find that if you use the highest quality setting, you'll get about 2 hours of HD video, not nearly 3 hours.

Hoppy, there is a huge difference when you download the clips. The quality is very nice but he's very unsteady with his camera work.
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What settings are y'all using for low-light performance? I could really use some help with my indoors shots.

Shameless bump on my request for help. And yes, I've RTFM. I'm a noob and need some guidance.

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Panasonic told me today that they do not as yet have prices or availability for the lense attachments described in the owner's manual. They recommended that I phone them again in 3 to 4 weeks.

Their phone number is 800-405-0652. Contrary to what is said in the recorded message at the beginning of their voice mail, they are not open for business on Saturday or Sunday.
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