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I suspect I'll have to get a Harmony Remote in the end but are there any existing Home Automation products that work with RadioRA2? It seems they've heavily protected their controls.
Pretty much any serious home automation system works with RRA2 since they have a very robust serial or IP based automation interface in the repeater.

So you just need to decide if you want a full DIY system or a dealer-installed system (with DIY capability) or what?

And that really should be the subject of a different thread.
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I have Lutron shades and lights in my home. They were installed 5 years ago before a lot of smart home tech was around. I mostly wanted them for the shades which were/are the best and quietest in the business.

I'm now looking at more home automation but I'd like to move away from the proprietary dealer-centric model Lutron requires. Specifically I'd like something to integrates with my existing RadioRA2 Lutron network but will also handle things like door locks, sprinklers, some IFTTT, and if possible AV abilities. I have a home theater (receiver, Nvidia Shield and Projector) I'd like to hook up for easy control under one system. I suspect I'll have to get a Harmony Remote in the end but are there any existing Home Automation products that work with RadioRA2? It seems they've heavily protected their controls.

They're totally open with regard to the protocols you'd use to control the lighting. Lots of systems support it. The RF is unique to the their implementations, that's true. But it's in a part of the spectrum not crowded by a bunch of other stuff. Lighting best when it works... EVERY time. That, you get, with the Ra2 stuff.

Harmony is a train-wreck. Logitech can't figure out how not to screw it up. Do not expect a universal remote (from ANY vendor) to actually BE universal. The Harmony are nice, no doubt, but they're TV controls. Their lighting automation 'attempt' is weak, at best. I wish it were better, but it's not and not looking like that's going to improve any time soon.

Hubs are still an on-going adventure. Lots of stuff is trying to be friendlier but it's fundamentally a pretty complicated concept. I've used Homeseer for a while and while it's strange sometimes, it's reliable. I'd like to have time to look into other options like HomeAssistant and Hubitat (which is basically Smartthings without the cloud). But until then HS3 cranks along without hassles.
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I have Lutron shades and lights in my home. They were installed 5 years ago before a lot of smart home tech was around. I mostly wanted them for the shades which were/are the best and quietest in the business.

I'm now looking at more home automation but I'd like to move away from the proprietary dealer-centric model Lutron requires. Specifically I'd like something to integrates with my existing RadioRA2 Lutron network but will also handle things like door locks, sprinklers, some IFTTT, and if possible AV abilities. I have a home theater (receiver, Nvidia Shield and Projector) I'd like to hook up for easy control under one system. I suspect I'll have to get a Harmony Remote in the end but are there any existing Home Automation products that work with RadioRA2? It seems they've heavily protected their controls.

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A lot of us are using HomeSeer and Indigo to bring these thing together, but there are other options. You still need to have your Radio Ra base system and programming, but once it's setup you can mix it all up with your other HA enable products here. Not sure if you have Radio Ra Classic, or newer RR2, but the newer RR2 you can get your own software and program it yourself now, there are a couple hoops to jump, but most of the supporters on this thread have all done it quite easily.
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A lot of us are using HomeSeer and Indigo to bring these thing together, but there are other options. You still need to have your Radio Ra base system and programming, but once it's setup you can mix it all up with your other HA enable products here. Not sure if you have Radio Ra Classic, or newer RR2, but the newer RR2 you can get your own software and program it yourself now, there are a couple hoops to jump, but most of the supporters on this thread have all done it quite easily.
Thanks for all the replies everyone. I am considering HomeSeer but it looks like no matter what I pick I'll have to have some control over my RadioRA2 system. I have a CONNECT-BDG2 box for the RadioRA2 (mostly controls light) which controls the "Main Repeater" box which controls my blinds. I have had a great deal of trouble finding either RadioRA2 Essentials or Inclusive. The closest I've come is this site: http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Service-.../Overview.aspx and I don't even know if I'm on the right track there. How do I get access to at least Essentials, because right now all I have is the Lutron Connect app which offers little in terms of tweaking/configuring.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I am considering HomeSeer but it looks like no matter what I pick I'll have to have some control over my RadioRA2 system. I have a CONNECT-BDG2 box for the RadioRA2 (mostly controls light) which controls the "Main Repeater" box which controls my blinds. I have had a great deal of trouble finding either RadioRA2 Essentials or Inclusive. The closest I've come is this site: http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Service-.../Overview.aspx and I don't even know if I'm on the right track there. How do I get access to at least Essentials, because right now all I have is the Lutron Connect app which offers little in terms of tweaking/configuring.

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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I am considering HomeSeer but it looks like no matter what I pick I'll have to have some control over my RadioRA2 system. I have a CONNECT-BDG2 box for the RadioRA2 (mostly controls light) which controls the "Main Repeater" box which controls my blinds. I have had a great deal of trouble finding either RadioRA2 Essentials or Inclusive. The closest I've come is this site: http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Service-.../Overview.aspx and I don't even know if I'm on the right track there. How do I get access to at least Essentials, because right now all I have is the Lutron Connect app which offers little in terms of tweaking/configuring.
Basically you need to do some training and they will give you the software. It's probably way back in this thread, but for the benefit of some people just joining the thread, Lutron will give you the "Essentials" or "L1" software for free by completing some online or in person training (see below). The training will get you up to speed on all the devices and answer most of your questions before they come up as well as obviously teaching you the software. It's really simple, and you could probably figure it out on your own, but the software is free at this level and entitles you to future updates as well. If you exceed the limitations of Essentials / L1 software or are using a few of the parts not available in Essentials L1, you need the "Inclusive" or "L2" Software. This is another training, but it's paid. Find out from your local Lutron distributor, they will be able to help you get in the training, might be able to offset the cost with some of their marketing funds, or may have other solutions for you. Most of you won't need L2, but if you exceed 100 devices or want some of the L2 exclusive devices, you will need it.


Probably says on the document he linked to above, but you can sign up for online training here:
http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Education-Training/Pages/LCI/Online.aspx


If you are near one of their "Experience Centers" they likely offer a class in person. You local Lutron distributor may also offer classes, Call you local center or distributor for their Schedule. I highly encourage this if you are near one, not only do they treat you pretty well you will benefit from others in the class as well.
http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Educatio...nceCenter.aspx

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So my alarm clock died, or my wife hated it and sabotaged it while I was out of town, but I ended up replacing it with the Echo Show. This thing is awesome, and looks like it could replace my tabletop keypad as well. One more thing off of my night stand. Still getting use to it, but so far I'm really happy with it, just thought I would share. I need to get into the "routines" and see if I can make some of my other lights come on with my normal daily alarm as well.

Also, at some point Alexa app added devices, I swear it was previously just Scenes, anyway I like that I am able so tell her to send a dimmer to 50% now. Probably old news to some of you. But I'm only looking at the app again after getting this "Echo Show".

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Is there any way to activate scenes or control loads from the show without using voice? Yelling at Alexa in the bedroom might be a deal killer...


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+1 for the training. Its goes fast you get a good view of the product line for Radio RA2 and why its so affective. Also you get software training and software upon completion.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I am considering HomeSeer but it looks like no matter what I pick I'll have to have some control over my RadioRA2 system. I have a CONNECT-BDG2 box for the RadioRA2 (mostly controls light) which controls the "Main Repeater" box which controls my blinds. I have had a great deal of trouble finding either RadioRA2 Essentials or Inclusive. The closest I've come is this site: http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Service-.../Overview.aspx and I don't even know if I'm on the right track there. How do I get access to at least Essentials, because right now all I have is the Lutron Connect app which offers little in terms of tweaking/configuring.
Basically you need to do some training and they will give you the software. It's probably way back in this thread, but for the benefit of some people just joining the thread, Lutron will give you the "Essentials" or "L1" software for free by completing some online or in person training (see below). The training will get you up to speed on all the devices and answer most of your questions before they come up as well as obviously teaching you the software. It's really simple, and you could probably figure it out on your own, but the software is free at this level and entitles you to future updates as well. If you exceed the limitations of Essentials / L1 software or are using a few of the parts not available in Essentials L1, you need the "Inclusive" or "L2" Software. This is another training, but it's paid. Find out from your local Lutron distributor, they will be able to help you get in the training, might be able to offset the cost with some of their marketing funds, or may have other solutions for you. Most of you won't need L2, but if you exceed 100 devices or want some of the L2 exclusive devices, you will need it.


Probably says on the document he linked to above, but you can sign up for online training here:
http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Education-Training/Pages/LCI/Online.aspx


If you are near one of their "Experience Centers" they likely offer a class in person. You local Lutron distributor may also offer classes, Call you local center or distributor for their Schedule. I highly encourage this if you are near one, not only do they treat you pretty well you will benefit from others in the class as well.
http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Educatio...nceCenter.aspx
One thing to watch out for is that your original installer probably had Inclusive and probably used Shared Scenes. That, (or maybe even just the fact that he or she saved your project in Inclusive), means that you won’t be able to open the project in Essentials.

If that happens, maybe your installer or your local distributor will be willing to upgrade your Essentials software to Inclusive by generating an upgrade key for you.

You will still need to take the L1 training to get access to the Essentials software. It shouldn’t take more than a day, and I found it interesting and fun to learn.
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Is there any way to activate scenes or control loads from the show without using voice? Yelling at Alexa in the bedroom might be a deal killer...

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I get that!! I think so. When I had it on the screen it was a list of devices, and I could touch them on the screen. But I don't remember how I accessed that menu. I'll try again when I get home tonight.
I'm only 3 days in and there is no manual, just been trial, error, & google so far....

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Not Radio Ra 2, but the Caseta stuff has really gained traction with smaller projects and DIY. CES 2019, just announced fan speed control for Caseta...


Love the CNET headline: "
"Lutron's new Caseta smart switch controls dumb ceiling fans at CES 2019"






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Good point on Caseta. I am a bit concerned RR2 hasn’t really seen attention from Lutron on the hardware, software or partnership side in quite awhile.
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So, Yes. On my Amazon Alexa Echo Show, whatever it's called.... You just swipe down and you get a few options. Maybe more if you have other things, but my setup is relatively simple.
On the Echo Show, if you swipe down on the screen (without speaking to it) I get 4 buttons:
"Home" "Alarm" "Lights & More" "Routines" Also there is a slider brightness adjustment.




If you hit "Lights & More" you get a list of all the HA devices I have setup including some non-RR2 wifi plug-ins I use for my arcade cabinets.
I don't have all of my RR2 on my Alexa, so the list isn't complete.


What wasn't immediately obvious either, in terms of the alarm clock (main reason I bought it), was you tap the screen to snooze but there is no icon to end it. I had to google to find out you have to swipe up from the bottom of the screen to "dismiss" the alarm. I also don't want to start yelling at Alexa & wake up the wife.

Going on about a week now with it. And still loving it. I wish it had a slider (mechanical) for camera privacy but whatever anyone is watching through my show camera isn't pretty or completely boring anyway. I don't have a use for the camera in it currently, so it will get a tiny piece of electrical tape.
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I had some images but I guess it stripped them.

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Good point on Caseta. I am a bit concerned RR2 hasn’t really seen attention from Lutron on the hardware, software or partnership side in quite awhile.
Yes, I agree. From watching this company over the 20yrs of my career it's not a bad thing though. We all have our wish list for more.... (controlled outlet, Fan/Light (single device), dimmer module, integrated repeater/connect bridge, in case you are listening Lutron!!) The product is still solid compared to alternatives, I just got another convert customer on Wednesday, loves HA, hated his last experience, & ready for something solid. It's definitely that. Investing what a lot of us have in HA, I glad to not have issues with mine (except for the ones I've created ). And I love the fact that new products like the "Show" discussed above I was able to get working with my RR2 in minutes.

Trust me I know this thread gets some attention from them, I get some indirect feedback occasionally.

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Is there any compatibility of Caseta devices in RdiioRa2 or are they completely siloed? I’m definitely not happy with the lack of investment to RR2 but I also don’t see anything else on the market I’d switch to in a new house. Like you, I’ll just have to add additional devices from other systems to round out the limitations of RR2.

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Yes, I agree. From watching this company over the 20yrs of my career it's not a bad thing though. We all have our wish list for more.... (controlled outlet, Fan/Light (single device), dimmer module, integrated repeater/connect bridge, in case you are listening Lutron!!) The product is still solid compared to alternatives, I just got another convert customer on Wednesday, loves HA, hated his last experience, & ready for something solid. It's definitely that. Investing what a lot of us have in HA, I glad to not have issues with mine (except for the ones I've created ). And I love the fact that new products like the "Show" discussed above I was able to get working with my RR2 in minutes.

Trust me I know this thread gets some attention from them, I get some indirect feedback occasionally.
Well said! I'd like to foot stomp the controlled outlet with you. Hopefully Lutron does read these threads.
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I will have to play around with my Echo Show tonight. The swipe up/swipe down sounds simple enough - just not very discoverable... I’m just so used to only yelling at Alexa.


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One thing to watch out for is that your original installer probably had Inclusive and probably used Shared Scenes. That, (or maybe even just the fact that he or she saved your project in Inclusive), means that you won’t be able to open the project in Essentials.

If that happens, maybe your installer or your local distributor will be willing to upgrade your Essentials software to Inclusive by generating an upgrade key for you.

You will still need to take the L1 training to get access to the Essentials software. It shouldn’t take more than a day, and I found it interesting and fun to learn.
Thanks @njmike . I got through the training, got the Essentials software, and it won't let me extract the project because it needs Radio RA 2 12.0.1, and my Essentials version is only 11.6.0! I know my installer had Radio Ra Inclusive, is there anyway for me to extract this or even edit it in Essentials or will I have to reprogram the system from scratch and push it to the Main Repeater?
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One thing to watch out for is that your original installer probably had Inclusive and probably used Shared Scenes. That, (or maybe even just the fact that he or she saved your project in Inclusive), means that you won’t be able to open the project in Essentials.

If that happens, maybe your installer or your local distributor will be willing to upgrade your Essentials software to Inclusive by generating an upgrade key for you.

You will still need to take the L1 training to get access to the Essentials software. It shouldn’t take more than a day, and I found it interesting and fun to learn.
Thanks @njmike . I got through the training, got the Essentials software, and it won't let me extract the project because it needs Radio RA 2 12.0.1, and my Essentials version is only 11.6.0! I know my installer had Radio Ra Inclusive, is there anyway for me to extract this or even edit it in Essentials or will I have to reprogram the system from scratch and push it to the Main Repeater?
Look for v12. You are entitled based on completing the training. Look for it on MyLutron. Not sure Essentials can extract a project though. Do you know anyone that has it?
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The link after training directs to 11.6. I called lutron, they seemed stunned that it isn't the latest version.

Create a mylutron account. Under the service and support tab there is an option for “Design & Configuration Software” link in the third column. Click on “RadioRA 2 12.0 with prerequisites”.
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The link after training directs to 11.6. I called lutron, they seemed stunned that it isn't the latest version.

Create a mylutron account. Under the service and support tab there is an option for “Design & Configuration Software” link in the third column. Click on “RadioRA 2 12.0 with prerequisites”.
Hi @Bigus , I'm not sure how the Training website ( https://lutron.learn.taleo.net/ ) and the mylutron site ( http://www.lutron.com/ ) are connected, as they each have their own separate logins. When I go to the MyLutron page after creating an account there is no option to download Radio Ra 2, just the Lutron Designer+ application. Do I have to enter my Lutron account number in my profile? I haven't been given one and no where in the lutron.learn site is there an account number found.

EDIT: I called Lutron, apparently after completing the module they sent me an email to attach the LCI account to the MyLutron account, everything is working now and I was able to extract the program!

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I called too... wasn't certain if that was necessary or not. I guess they had to link the accounts. Lights are their forte, not web management!
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Ok I finally have access to my program, was already able to set a timeclock for my shades, worked out really well.

But I'm still stuck with my original question; during my training they talked a lot about 3rd party integration via serial RS232 and via IP/Wifi, but without information how to go about doing that. If I did pursue a SmartThings/Wink/HomeSeer system, how do I a) know that it can talk to the Main Repeater and b) figure how to set it up?
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Ok I finally have access to my program, was already able to set a timeclock for my shades, worked out really well.

But I'm still stuck with my original question; during my training they talked a lot about 3rd party integration via serial RS232 and via IP/Wifi, but without information how to go about doing that. If I did pursue a SmartThings/Wink/HomeSeer system, how do I a) know that it can talk to the Main Repeater and b) figure how to set it up?

I have Radio RA2 and Homeseer (HS3). To answer your questions:


a) if the RA2 Main Repeater and your HS3 controller are on the same network, they can talk to each other. You just need the IP addresses. They communicate via Ethernet or WiFi.

b) it's very easy to set up with HS3. You need to be running the HS3 software on the controller that you choose (either a computer or a Raspberry Pi) and you need to buy the plug in that allows HS3 to talk to RA2. The plug in costs about $35. Once you add the plug in, HS3 will identify all of your RA2 devices and import them into HS3. Then you can create events, triggers, etc., from within HS3. I assume that SmartThings and Wink are similar, but you should verify. I went with HS3 because it is hosted locally, and is not cloud dependent at all. If your internet goes down, you can still control your devices. Also, the lag is non-existent.
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I have recently installed a RadioRA2 system in a new build. ~ 50 switches / components. Really, really nice looking. Haven’t gotten to scenes yet but estheticslly nice.

Ordering some Lutron Shades (hardwired) and they look to be nice, but wow are they expensive!

Can’t wait to start tweaking once all is programmed!

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Is there any compatibility of Caseta devices in RdiioRa2 or are they completely siloed? I’m definitely not happy with the lack of investment to RR2 but I also don’t see anything else on the market I’d switch to in a new house. Like you, I’ll just have to add additional devices from other systems to round out the limitations of RR2.
They added the Caseta Fan Speed Control to Radio Ra Select, not sure why, because we already had the RR2 fan speed control in select. They also add some of the LMJ modules to Select.

Not sure why they are trying to blur the lines, maybe for a little more inexpensive fan speed control. The LMJ's in RR2 require inclusive software, so it's interesting that they just added them to Select.
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Ok I finally have access to my program, was already able to set a timeclock for my shades, worked out really well.

But I'm still stuck with my original question; during my training they talked a lot about 3rd party integration via serial RS232 and via IP/Wifi, but without information how to go about doing that. If I did pursue a SmartThings/Wink/HomeSeer system, how do I a) know that it can talk to the Main Repeater and b) figure how to set it up?
This was answered already, but to add, there are some documents you can find through your myLutron home page click on Software & Support > Technical Ref. Guides (left side menu) > Lutron QS integration protocols. If you are using products like HomeSeer, it should figure this out for you, but if you need to edit it, or manually write it, you'll find some tips here.
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Question New Install with heat and control requirements

I've been watching this thread for along time now and finally getting around to installing a Lutron RadioRA2 system (not yet purchased). Initially this will be on a small scale, just a bathroom. I'm mostly interested in the scene setting capabilities as the bathroom has 5 separate light circuits; four are LED and one is incandescent. All will be dimmable except for one LED night light circuit.

I'll also have an exhaust fan and a supplemental heater installed inline in the ductwork - a HotPod. I'm trying to decide if there is any utility in using the RadioRA2 to control the heater or the fan. My initial conclusion is that it isn't worth the expense.

In the case of the heater, it requires a 24 volt thermostat. The thermostat that comes with the heater will not be used. It is fugly but I also need to include a count down time limiter. This is intended to be a booster heater and I don't want it to stay on past a certain amount of time - 30 to 60 minutes. Can the Lutron HVAC kit be programmed to always go off after some preset time? Can't I also do this with something like a NEST or Ecobee thermostat?

For the exhaust fan, the control requirements are pretty simple. Set it to countdown for some period of time. Any benefit to controlling this with RadioRA2?

Why am I going this whole house approach? I currently have lighting for a family room, kitchen, and dining room controlled with a Lightolier system installed about 15 years ago. It is still going strong but it lacks the capabilities of modern systems like RadioRA2. I'm planning on replacing it with RadioRA2 in the next 24 months.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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