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post #1 of 14 Old 12-03-2011, 11:15 AM - Thread Starter
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Anyone run across a wifi volume control embedded in a wall plate? Would like to control whole house audio per room with iPhone. Everything wired but did not run IP cabling to volume plates, just speaker cabling.
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uh? what? u say iPhone (wireless) then u say a fixed wall control. What is it?
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Conceptually, wifi control of a room volume via an iPhone app. Their are IP-based solutions but Ethernet wasn't run to each volume control per room. Designing a whole house audio volume control system can get a bit complicated. Currently planning to use an iTach WF2IR box to control an Aton speaker selection router but that takes quite a bit of bouncing between apps (iRule, iTunes for AirPlay) etc.
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post #4 of 14 Old 11-19-2013, 10:33 PM
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It's been 3 years.  Have you stumbled on a wifi wall plate V/C by chance?  I haven't, but have been looking for a few months now.  The technology is certainly available.

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What's wrong with IP control via iPhone etc. of the equipment at the headend vs. at the volume control locations? There are lots of solutions for this that have been around for nearly a decade.
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With any decent automation system in place you can use a dimmer switch and translate dim level to zone power and volume of an amp/receiver with integration capabilities.
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With any decent automation system in place you can use a dimmer switch and translate dim level to zone power and volume of an amp/receiver with integration capabilities.

With any decent automation system in place you would have an audio amp/switcher/preamp that does volume over IP for each zone anyway.
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Yes but that's not a physical volume control device.
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A physical volume control device doesn't need power.

Wi-Fi needs power.

You can't pull the power off an amplifier (and the amp may not even be on) to run a Wi-Fi connection to your home... or perhaps the right device could.

I would say that a power switch location can be replaced with another product, such as Insteon or some other power line product and that product could then be interpreted by a control system into a volume control scenario.

On the other hand, I could see a stand-alone company like Russound or someone else making a 'speaker line' volume control unit which would broadcast something back to a proprietary amplifier or pre-amp system.

You could always get a RF remote like the wall mounted KP-900 from Universal Remote, but it comes back to some of the same old issues...

http://www.universalremote.com/product_details.php?id=22&s=residential&c=user_interfaces&p=KP-900

Of course those questions are:
Why do you need a volume control which is Wi-Fi vs. a RF one, or using another interface such as iPhone or similar?

Why limit yourself with volume only when most places need a lot more control?

How do you magically power this device? Your phone needs a charge every day.

What is it going to talk to via Wi-Fi? It would only work as part of a proprietary system at this point I would think.

I've often considered the KP-900 as a nice in-wall solution to getting source and volume control in some of my rooms if I didn't have a control wire in place already.

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WIFI speaker volume control

It has been 6 years since the last post in this thread so maybe there is something new because I have the same need. I have a Niles amp powering 8 pairs of in-wall speakers, with each pair having an in-wall manual volume control. I have another room with unused in-wall speakers but no volume control in the room. The wires for these speakers go to the room with the Niles amp and the amp can handle adding the speakers to one of of the speaker pairs already in use. The problem I have is that I cannot control the volume of the additional speakers. I am looking for a volume control functionally the same as the in-wall volume controls with the addition of WIFI and an app. Bluetooth would not have enough range. I could rig up a manual volume control near the amp but would rather not have to walk to the amp to change the volume. Does anyone know of such a WIFI device?
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https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Control.../dp/B01BRL5NZ2

Something like that? (but it's bluetooth)

If it were me, I would sell the Niles, buy a Russound MCA-88 that is a true audio matrix that supports app volume (and selection) for all zones.
Sure, it will run $2K but much more sanno system.
You would tie off the wires in the Niles wall controllers and put a coverplate to replace the volume controls to reuse the speaker wires.
Then you have a modern clean system.
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I'm looking at this like "What in the world is this post I made???" - Then I looked at the date.

Ah, that makes more sense.

It still holds the same that someone would need to make a speakerline solution to this. I would think they could do it if they wanted to. Something like the MCA-88 but with volume controls that also contain control data in them. When you spin them, it doesn't really adjust the volume with a potentiometer, but by sending a command back to the main controller.

The Bluetooth unit above is convenient, but isn't WHA, it's just one zone. So, you can't play the same thing in a half dozen locations. Kind of defeats the idea. I still think that the concept of using one of the multitudes of centralized 'smart' WHA solutions is much better and just cap off the volume controls. Go entirely to your phone/tablet as the controller.

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I'm looking at this like "What in the world is this post I made???" - Then I looked at the date.

Ah, that makes more sense.

It still holds the same that someone would need to make a speakerline solution to this. I would think they could do it if they wanted to. Something like the MCA-88 but with volume controls that also contain control data in them. When you spin them, it doesn't really adjust the volume with a potentiometer, but by sending a command back to the main controller.

The Bluetooth unit above is convenient, but isn't WHA, it's just one zone. So, you can't play the same thing in a half dozen locations. Kind of defeats the idea. I still think that the concept of using one of the multitudes of centralized 'smart' WHA solutions is much better and just cap off the volume controls. Go entirely to your phone/tablet as the controller.
That solution exists...our Controller is also an optional streaming Source. And the volume and Matrix capability is built into the software. The low level outputs can go to a Matrix for blending of non streamed audio sources (like a DirecTV box) or just to a bunch of dumb amps as the outputs.
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The Monoprice whole home amp can power 6 zones and with the addition of the iTach Flex IP/ WiFi to RS232 adapter and the Monoprice Whole Home Audio app on the iOS AppStore you can have WiFi control for around $700. Two additional amps can be added to expand the system to 18 zones if needed.

If the music services provided by the Amazon Echo Dots are sufficient then you could have one Dot plugged in as a source at the amp via the 3.5mm line out and controlled by a second Dot in the zone being powered. Just tell Alexa to increase or lower the volume as needed.


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