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Anyone using DoorBird? Ring Elite door bell? What do you think?

What's the skinny on these.

Doorbird ($378) appears to have some reliability issues and the Ring Elite ($499) is a closed system and not likely to be controlled by a 3rd party control system.

Both are Hardwired ethernet (I won't buy wifi).

Anyone have any experience?

Doorbird's model has not been upgraded in long time... Still 720P. But Ring Elite is 1080P.

Leaning Ring Elite and then change out down the road if need be.




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I’m in a similar situation. I really want to like the doorbird - more open, I can connect it to my existing NVR, but I’ve heard mixed things about support, firmware updates, and have heard similar reliability issues. I’m also concerned about the longer term viability of a smaller company trying to compete with Google (nest) and Amazon (ring). But I’d love to be proven wrong by people who had positive experiences!


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I have arlo doorbell w/arlo vidcams and its nice being wireless. also free for cloud storage for a week or 2 with saving as you go. ring doorbell sucks tho...it notifies phone or app probably 5 seconds too late...but it is all recorded for safety...I have a half dozen cameras that cover front yard with audio so I dont rely on doorbell...most fedex/ups/usps dont hit the button anyways.

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TheBland,
You would be best off in your situation to use your wired IP cameras and a traditional doorbell triggering the ELK security panel that talks to myServer.
Ring is a closed system. Doorbell has an API for integration. Both are cloud based which is less than ideal.
If you also want a doorbell camera, then Mobotix is higher quality, local video, and integrates well.
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Mobotix is a quality solution as mentioned above. As is 2n Helios https://www.2nusa.com/en_US/products/intercoms - more expensive but really a nice piece of equipment. Can integrate into various control systems if you want. IP camera. PoE. Tons of custom options within the UI re: mic quality, video playback, local recording, etc. They have their own touchscreens if you want to wall mount those for control within your house. They can send the call to your phone when you are away from home, etc.

I have no experience with Hikvision but they are a huge camera company and they have door stations: https://us.hikvision.com/en/products...m/door-station - not sure if they are all hardwired, I know the Dahua version is wifi.
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Those 2N units look nice, and 2N is owned by Axis, which is a plus. Unfortunately they also have Axis-level pricing. Looks like their basic door unit is around $1,000.


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Those 2N units look nice, and 2N is owned by Axis, which is a plus. Unfortunately they also have Axis-level pricing. Looks like their basic door unit is around $1,000.


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Their base model is $665

https://www.ipphone-warehouse.com/2n...YaAqWVEALw_wcB

I agree its more than the Ring but it is an open platform. I would not worry too much about 1080p vs 720p or whatever for a doorbell camera. you'll make out someone's face regardless. My doorstation has a low resolution - just food for thought. also some cameras with lower resolution can be better for low light situations in the evening - the sensor is sometimes more important then chasing megapixels.

how do you plan on lighting the area? IRs? front door light fixtures?
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Their base model is $665

https://www.ipphone-warehouse.com/2n...YaAqWVEALw_wcB

I agree its more than the Ring but it is an open platform. I would not worry too much about 1080p vs 720p or whatever for a doorbell camera. you'll make out someone's face regardless. My doorstation has a low resolution - just food for thought. also some cameras with lower resolution can be better for low light situations in the evening - the sensor is sometimes more important then chasing megapixels.

how do you plan on lighting the area? IRs? front door light fixtures?

Nice looking unit. Anyone have experience with one?

Lighted area at front door. I take it, theres no night IR vision help for early morning or late at night?

Not many dealers - easy to set up?

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Nice looking unit. Anyone have experience with one?

Lighted area at front door. I take it, theres no night IR vision help for early morning or late at night?

Not many dealers - easy to set up?

Thanks!
So I have a Holovision door station that is powered by https://www.2nusa.com/en_US/document...d-79ab343730b4

The audio/video is all controlled via the UI of the 2n device and its slick with tons of features and I was able to set it up with the provided Wiki's on the 2n site. I have no idea if the Base product runs the same UI and program. I have control4 so its all tied together under that platform to ring a doorbell sound on speakers in my house, etc. My Holo product has IR but yes if you pick a device without IR you need to consider some options on how to light the area.
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You would be best off in your situation to use your wired IP cameras and a traditional doorbell triggering the ELK security panel that talks to myServer.
Ring is a closed system. Doorbell has an API for integration. Both are cloud based which is less than ideal.
If you also want a doorbell camera, then Mobotix is higher quality, local video, and integrates well.
Nice looking unit. Ever install one?

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Nice looking unit. Ever install one?
Mobotix? We support it. Wrote a driver for it for another AVSForum customer. Works well. Good stuff.
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Mobotix? We support it. Wrote a driver for it for another AVSForum customer. Works well. Good stuff.
I’m not a tech guy but this looks feature rich (open doors, etc). I just want it to ring door bell, Video camera via app (for now). I have come entiinal doorbell system in place (have cat5, wiring for conventional door bell at door as well).

I want to install and set up and use even if months before we tie into a control system. Possible? I assume it has an app.

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Doorbird has . new replacement for the D101 coming out soon - D11. This one is 1080P and more features.

Should be a solid piece. I'm in!

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Where did you find out about the D11? I can’t find any reference to it on the doorbird website (which is pretty awful).


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I called them.

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That’s one way to get info!

I guess I’ll sit tight until I see that announced. Sounds nice.


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I own 2 door birds. At the front gate and at front door. I only heard of it due to control 4 integration. With my 2 screens control 4 if

A) the ring is too soft. I had to get a extra chime for it to be heard over tv noise etc. now it works fine. The ring space is 6000 sq ft

B) it’s solid and it stands out in my neighborhood where everyone has a video doorbell and cameras

C) I went through the same asks. 1080 p. 4 k hdr etc etc. but in reality the 720 p is fine since u almost answer immediately once it rings

D) what I would be more useful for me is if a small window pops up while watching tv if it rings

E) notifications on phone are ok. I have to explore if it can show up on my phones while I’m at work

F) if you can really explore all its features and get it installed well. I think it is good product

H my ht project and home automation is still going on so I can keep u updated. Let me know
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I own 2 door birds. At the front gate and at front door. I only heard of it due to control 4 integration. With my 2 screens control 4 if

A) the ring is too soft. I had to get a extra chime for it to be heard over tv noise etc. now it works fine. The ring space is 6000 sq ft

B) it’s solid and it stands out in my neighborhood where everyone has a video doorbell and cameras

C) I went through the same asks. 1080 p. 4 k hdr etc etc. but in reality the 720 p is fine since u almost answer immediately once it rings

D) what I would be more useful for me is if a small window pops up while watching tv if it rings

E) notifications on phone are ok. I have to explore if it can show up on my phones while I’m at work

F) if you can really explore all its features and get it installed well. I think it is good product

H my ht project and home automation is still going on so I can keep u updated. Let me know

Good info. Are you using the Doorbird brand chime? I thought it was able to connect to a conventional chime? I have Cat and low voltage wire at doorbell. I may send it to whole house audio system (if possible)

Glad 720P is OK.

I assume all iOS devices get a 'pop-up' when it rings?

I am using Crestron in my house. I'll have to see how they will integrate.

But PQ is good enough? Night vision OK?

Thanks for the detailed post!

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Good info. Are you using the Doorbird brand chime? I thought it was able to connect to a conventional chime? I have Cat and low voltage wire at doorbell. I may send it to whole house audio system (if possible)

Glad 720P is OK.

I assume all iOS devices get a 'pop-up' when it rings?

I am using Crestron in my house. I'll have to see how they will integrate.

But PQ is good enough? Night vision OK?

Thanks for the detailed post!
A) yes. It’s the door bird chime. It’s a white rectangular object lol. I would post u a pic of my set up but I don’t know how
B) night vision is ok. But trust me. The living habits are such that we tend to answer the door pretty soon so factor your needs vs habits to set ur own expectations
C) if you get two. You can have two distinctive chimes for each announcement
D) the biggest headache was the ring was too soft so please reconsider that issue
E) The unit is solid so most people will forget about the original chime and use your doorbell
F) I don’t know how crestron integrates but I had to go with control 4 since I never heard from crestron dealers when I started my process. As you know C4 and crestron have the most integration options
G) my take is: it’s a solid imposing standout product in the sea of video door bells offering. Good first impression at entry and no one has heard of it so it’s a ice breaker during parties
H) Work with your installer and get all its features on ur devices And and and please don’t overlook its chime. The next version should be called Doortruck not bird
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A) yes. It’s the door bird chime. It’s a white rectangular object lol. I would post u a pic of my set up but I don’t know how
B) night vision is ok. But trust me. The living habits are such that we tend to answer the door pretty soon so factor your needs vs habits to set ur own expectations
C) if you get two. You can have two distinctive chimes for each announcement
D) the biggest headache was the ring was too soft so please reconsider that issue
E) The unit is solid so most people will forget about the original chime and use your doorbell
F) I don’t know how crestron integrates but I had to go with control 4 since I never heard from crestron dealers when I started my process. As you know C4 and crestron have the most integration options
G) my take is: it’s a solid imposing standout product in the sea of video door bells offering. Good first impression at entry and no one has heard of it so it’s a ice breaker during parties
H) Work with your installer and get all its features on ur devices And and and please don’t overlook its chime. The next version should be called Doortruck not bird
Great info. Thanks so much for the detail!

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I own 2 door birds. At the front gate and at front door. I only heard of it due to control 4 integration. With my 2 screens control 4 if

A) the ring is too soft. I had to get a extra chime for it to be heard over tv noise etc. now it works fine. The ring space is 6000 sq ft

B) it’s solid and it stands out in my neighborhood where everyone has a video doorbell and cameras

C) I went through the same asks. 1080 p. 4 k hdr etc etc. but in reality the 720 p is fine since u almost answer immediately once it rings

D) what I would be more useful for me is if a small window pops up while watching tv if it rings

E) notifications on phone are ok. I have to explore if it can show up on my phones while I’m at work

F) if you can really explore all its features and get it installed well. I think it is good product

H my ht project and home automation is still going on so I can keep u updated. Let me know
Dogdd - why did you choose Doorbird over the Control4 door station?
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Dogdd - why did you choose Doorbird over the Control4 door station?
Didn’t want my door station to be complicated with keypads, didn’t like the mini and I wanted my door station mounted at an angle from the wall so the camera above the main door can capture face of caller not back of caller as most bells are flush with wall so I just didn’t like it.
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Didn’t want my door station to be complicated with keypads, didn’t like the mini and I wanted my door station mounted at an angle from the wall so the camera above the main door can capture face of caller not back of caller as most bells are flush with wall so I just didn’t like it.
My security cameras hooked to dvr I meant.
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My security cameras hooked to dvr I meant.
Doesn't the DVR already record 24/7? What events do you have programmed through DoorBird?
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I have been using a doorbird for just over a year with great success. Than again I do not use the actual cloud part of the device.
Mine ties into Blueiris for recording and into homeseer for automation stuff.

Has been extremely solid for me.
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Doesn't the DVR already record 24/7? What events do you have programmed through DoorBird?
Nothing , it just functions as a doorbell with the app notifications on my phones and I pad and control 4 station. My security camera system is separate and I hardly access the dvr ... it’s just there as insurance in case of any unfortunate event god forbid
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I was really hoping the 1080p D11 would be announced at CEDIA. Waiting impatiently.

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Well, how about that!

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Hi, I like the features of the doorbird but the “formfactor” does not fit my entrance sadly. I would like to have the following features:
* Button for visitors to call
* Connection to mobile phone to talk and open
* I/O ports to open the door
* Keypad/tag and the ability to set codes during certain days and hours

However, I would prefer to have them separated into camera/audio, call button, keypad/tag reader so I can place them where I want. Anyone know a more “modular” approach to doorbird that would allow that?
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Hi, I like the features of the doorbird but the “formfactor” does not fit my entrance sadly. I would like to have the following features:
* Button for visitors to call
* Connection to mobile phone to talk and open
* I/O ports to open the door
* Keypad/tag and the ability to set codes during certain days and hours

However, I would prefer to have them separated into camera/audio, call button, keypad/tag reader so I can place them where I want. Anyone know a more “modular” approach to doorbird that would allow that?
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https://www.2nusa.com/en_US/products...ip-verso#tab-3
you can build out a modular system, but I believe end of day its still a vertical unit, they need to all be connected if you will, not place 1 pad here, 1 pad there, etc. You could find separate pieces to do that - there are Keypad/Tag readers that could be stand alone, but then you need a controller/hub to make them all work together.
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