Originally Posted by markmon1
Control 4 creates a platform where installers are needed so bad installers are tied with their product.
Other alternatives require no installers or programmers so you can fix everything yourself.
If your paver company provided pavers that were only installable with special tools only their authorized paid installers had, and was competing with other types of stones that catered to being self installed or at least installed with standard tools anyone could purchase, then yes you should bad mouth your paver company for the installers work because that paver company created a product that requires third party installers.
My walls are over 4' - so yes certain equipment is needed including some barrier for drainage sold by the company who sells the pavers and they do not sell direct to consumers. I need permits, I need engineers to design/approve plans given the height requirements of the wall, etc. I cannot go to a big box store, buy some pavers and make a wall. Sorry, not allowed in my town for this type of project. I need to hire certain people with certain skills/degrees/licenses and who have access to certain tools I cannot buy.
Oh and funny if you want to talk licenses and the state of the CI business, the state of NJ (Where I live) has a bill up for voting that would not allow CI people who are not certified electricians install ethernet wires https://www.cepro.com/article/time_e...al_license_now
What everyone is always forgetting, no one forces you to pick C4. If you do not want a CI product do not get a CI product. If I did not want an engineer for this project I'd just rent some big dirt mover and grade my yard further. It would look like garbage and fall apart and create all sorts of water issues, but hey, I'd have no one to blame but me. But the path I am taking - replacing the current wall with another wall - means I need to hire a group of people. If I wanted to do it myself I could but that is not a good option here. For some, hiring a CI is better than not.
Control4 is a home appliance. It is hiring a tradesman. That is how it is marketed and sold. If you are not interested, then find something that suits you.
If you want another analogy, asking why someone wants it is like asking why someone wants to drive a Porsche? The speed limit in NJ is 65. A Honda drive 65 mph too but I see plenty of Porsche's on the road where I live. What about that $2mm car Tracy Morgan just nicked up. You know an oil change for that car is $25,000 and must be done by a certified technician and there are not many around. Why would someone buy a car if they cannot do the oil change and they have to pay $25,000? He knew what he was getting into, he has the money and he'll find a tech he likes. Its a super extreme example but there are many non DIY people in the world. this is a DIY forum, so enjoy the community. I do. But to go on and on about dealers and dealer based products is just boring and tired. There are examples on both sides of the fence and lucky for the DIY crowd there are a TON of DIY options.
As a C4 user, who has his own gripes with the system but such is life because the good outweighs the bad, when I see people on here with C4 issues I'll try to help knowing its like not the computer/C4/hub issue but something else. That's all. And yes, for every unsatisfied customer you probably have 100's or 1,000's that are happy and never say a word. I used to work in retail, upset customers are way more vocal than happy customers, its a fact.