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Quick follow up to my above post...

I mentioned viewing range would most likely be 7-12 ft. However, definitely see use cases where viewing would be happening closer from 4-7 ft as well. So I guess, primary would be 7-12 ft and secondary at 4-7 ft. with the sweet spot probably near 6-9 ft.

We currently only stream movies, but with new TV I could see possibility of watching via Blu-ray. Not so sure we'd invest in player right away.

Viewing angle could be more of an important factor than I initially suggested.

Sound quality from TV is a non-factor.

TV will not be mounted. Will be using stand on furniture piece that's wider than the TV itself.



Think that's it.
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Looking to finally upgrade from my 720p Panasonic Plasma TV. It's been a good TV, but it's about 9 years old starting to buzz. I'd like to get something a bit nicer.

1. Budget
Anywhere around $1000-$1200

2. Seating distance
About 8-9 feet

3. Size/placement limitations
Looking to go 55"-60". Do not want a curved TV. It will hang on the wall. Mostly viewing from the front, but would like to be able to view from the sides as well.

4. Uses and sources
Mostly for:

PS4 Gaming
Watching Football
Watching other TV shows via Dish Network


5. Room lighting
3 walls are closed off, the 4th is open to the rest of the house. So lighting isn't a huge issue.


any recommendations would be appreciated.
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Similar to the above poster, I'm looking to finally upgrade from my 720p Panasonic Plasma TV. It's still working great, but we want to move up in size (from 42"). I've been hesitant to move to LCD/LED, but the time is right (or is it?)

1. Budget
$2000 max

2. Seating distance
About 8-9 feet

3. Size/placement limitations
I'd love 65", but give the space where it's going, 55-60" is the max.

4. Uses and sources
Lots of cable TV, especially sports (so motion blur is a priority)
Netflix
BluRays
Minimal video games (not much of a priority)

5. Room lighting
Lots of ambient light during the day, but not much of an issue at night.


With OLED out of the budget, I've been eyeing the Samsung UN55JS8500 and Vizio M60-C3 as the two most likely options. I like the seemingly better black levels of the video, but I love that the Samsung can do some degree of HDR.

Any thoughts?

I'm also willing to wait another year if that's the best move.
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This may sound like a strange question, but I have a 46XBR4 from around 2007 or so. Will there really be much of a picture quality difference with a new TV (let's say a Vizio M-series)? It would probably be bigger (55-60). Other than the size, will there be a lot of picture quality difference from the old TV (which is still performing well)?
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Hey guys,......my ST60 is going back tot panasonic burn-in issues.

so i am currently looking for a new TV. and i am torn between 2. Prices are almost equal.

Reviews learn me that picturewise i will enjoy both. Other dissimilarties are non-important (3 or 4 HDMI etc)

choices:

2015 - 55CX850 HDR
2014 - 65AX800 nonHDR

My big question is:

Should i go for the HDRspecced 55? Or 65" wow-size

i am having trouble understanding how much of an impact HDR is going to be on picture-quality.

Some say it will affect more then ging from FHD to UHD, due to better contrast en spectacular colurs but others say don't upgrade yet because of lack of standards for a official HDRspec.

so, 65" big screen of future-proof 55" HDR?

Your input is much appreciated. Greetings from The Netherlands!

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1. Budget
$2500 max

2. Seating distance
About 8-9 feet

3. Size/placement limitations
I'd can for sure do a 65", 70" may be pushing it on space (height wise) unless it was curved.

4. Uses and sources
cable TV (over the air), is the primary use
Netflix
BluRays
Xbox one
Plex

5. Room lighting
Lots of ambient light during the day, but not much of an issue at night. Living room has two sky lights however are position where glare on the TV is not an issue.

6. Extra
I currently have a 46" Samsung UN46C7000240hz.
I have had good luck with Samsung but I also want to be open to other brands. I do like the JS8500or do you think I should think curve?
May eventually get a roku 4 and use that around the house. I'm currently working on cutting the cord therefore plex would be my main library and would live broadcast the channels over the antenna.
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This may sound like a strange question, but I have a 46XBR4 from around 2007 or so. Will there really be much of a picture quality difference with a new TV (let's say a Vizio M-series)? It would probably be bigger (55-60). Other than the size, will there be a lot of picture quality difference from the old TV (which is still performing well)?
I have a 47" Vizio LCD that I bought at about that time and just bought a new Vizio 70" a few months ago. There really is not a difference in sharpness, but the black levels and overall picture quality are much better on the new set.
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My big question is:

Should i go for the HDRspecced 55? Or 65" wow-size

i am having trouble understanding how much of an impact HDR is going to be on picture-quality.

Some say it will affect more then ging from FHD to UHD, due to better contrast en spectacular colurs but others say don't upgrade yet because of lack of standards for a official HDRspec.

so, 65" big screen of future-proof 55" HDR?

Your input is much appreciated. Greetings from The Netherlands!

Maarten
There is not a set on the market that is going to future proof you from technology that has yet to fully evolve. I would get the larger screen.
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3. Size/placement limitations
I'd can for sure do a 65", 70" may be pushing it on space (height wise) unless it was curved.

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Vizio and Sony

So I finally get the Vizio M series 55 inch. For $850 at Best Buy, seems like a no brainer. I get it home and the screen is broke when i take it out of the box. I go back to Best Buy the next day to exchange. The guy asks me if i want a better TV. They are having a special one day sale on the Sony XBR 55X850C for $1300. After a quick check on my phone, a couple of review sites have the Sony ahead of the Vizio, so i go for it. I'm wondering if the extra $450 is worth it. Come to find out that the 55 inch version of the Sony is edge lit, not FALD like the Vizio. I currently have a Panasonic ST60 Plasma in my family room. Since the Sony is edge lit, I'm also wondering if i should have just got a CX650 series from Panasonic. I'm used to that brand already. Only bad thing is you can't get Panasonic at Best Buy, and the Best Buy 24 months no interest was a big selling point.

So...Vizio M series, Sony XBR, or Panasonic?
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So I finally get the Vizio M series 55 inch. For $850 The guy asks me if i want a better TV. They are having a special one day sale on the Sony XBR 55X850C for $1300. Come to find out that the 55 inch version of the Sony is edge lit, not FALD like the Vizio

So...Vizio M series, Sony XBR, or Panasonic?
Looks like you just got upsold. Does the Sony look 50% better to you because that is how much more you paid. Pannys get good reviews but I would like to see one in the wild before I would buy it. General opinion is that the Vizios are the best TV for the money. For the extra money, you could get the M60 or almost the M65 Vizio if you have the room.
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Huh?
Measuring the amount of space I have above my fireplace. 65" would work good, I looked at some curved models and was told I could go a little bigger since it was. Not sure the truth in that. I need to look at the dimensions and see if they are any different for height. Maybe it was an up sell attempt and no truth to that statement.
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Hello all, I heard of avsforums several times as the place to go when researching a TV, so here I am. I have a loft area on our second floor and I want to add a TV to that space. I am looking to swoop on a Black Friday deal on Amazon in hopes that maybe I can get something that is beyond my budget. Here is my criteria:

1. Budget $700-$800 but I am hoping that TV's in the $1000 range will drop into my budget range.

2. Seating 7-10 feet, the couch will be directly across from the TV, however I plan on getting a treadmill one of these days that will be setup to the right or left of our couch. Obviously, the view angle from a treadmill will not be as direct.

3. Size/Placement Limitations I am looking for something at 50 inches, the loft isn't huge so something bigger may be overkill. I would consider a 55 inch TV but I don't think it will be in my budget. The TV is going to be placed on a TV Stand with a mount that allows you to use the wall mount, that's the plan at least.

4. Uses Cable HDTV from a TiVo Mini, Gaming with my Xbox One, Netflix, a second larger screen for my Desktop PC currently in the loft and Blu-ray movies.

5. Lighting We have a window in the loft, it can get bright during the days but I am unsure at this point if light will be cast directly on the TV from where I am positioning it. It will be dark at night.

6. Extra's It has to have an actual 120 Hz panel, not one of those 60 Hz panels that use computer trickery to get 120 Hz resolution, I would go 240 Hz if it is in my budget. I want the lowest input lag I can possible get and a very smooth picture, I game so this is the most important aspect. After that 4k resolution would be nice, I believe the Xbox One supports that, only if it is in my budget. Another feature this TV must have is at least 4 HDMI ports.

A nice feature but one that isn't required is the ability to mirror the image wireless from my Samsung Galaxy S4, I know at least the Samsung TV's support this. I'd also like a TV that supports Bluetooth but that isn't a requirement. Another nice feature would be the ability for the TV to work with surround sound equipment easily, that's something I will add in the near future. A TV with a well stocked app marketplace would be welcomed too, along with WiFi and ethernet ports, depending where I move my router. When I have a cable box installed I will probably have my modem/router moved there, I want a hardwired connection to my PC and Xbox One for the fastest connection possible.

Please help me out guys, I want to have the perfect TV for my needs sitting in my loft come December! Thanks.
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1. Budget $700-$800 but I am hoping that TV's in the $1000 range will drop into my budget range.

2. Seating 7-10 feet, the couch will be directly across from the TV, however I plan on getting a treadmill one of these days that will be setup to the right or left of our couch. Obviously, the view angle from a treadmill will not be as direct.

3. Size/Placement Limitations I am looking for something at 50 inches, the loft isn't huge so something bigger may be overkill. I would consider a 55 inch TV but I don't think it will be in my budget..

6. Extra's It has to have an actual 120 Hz panel, not one of those 60 Hz panels that use computer trickery to get 120 Hz resolution, I would go 240 Hz if it is in my budget.
At 7 feet, you are right at the border of where you can tell the difference of 4k and 1080p. At 10 feet you will not see the difference in resolution

In you budget in 4k, the Vizio M50-C1 is about it. The Vizio M55-C2 is just over budget. If your seating stays back over about 7.5', you could consider the Vizio E55-C2 which is 1080p and under budget. I do not think you get a true 120Hz panel until you reach 60" in the M series and 65" in the E series. I do not know of any TV that has a true 240Hz panel.... at least not in your budget. Most manufacturers like to list effective refresh rates.

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At 7 feet, you are right at the border of where you can tell the difference of 4k and 1080p. At 10 feet you will not see the difference in resolution

In you budget in 4k, the Vizio M50-C1 is about it. The Vizio M55-C2 is just over budget. If your seating stays back over about 7.5', you could consider the Vizio E55-C2 which is 1080p and under budget. I do not think you get a true 120Hz panel until you reach 60" in the M series and 65" in the E series. I do not know of any TV that has a true 240Hz panel.... at least not in your budget. Most manufacturers like to list effective refresh rates.
Thanks for the suggestions, I am a fan of Vizio and would purchase one in a heart beat but it has to have a true 120 Hz panel and have the least amount of lag possible. I will look into those models but I have been thinking of these Samsung TV's: Samsung UN50JU7100 50-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV and the 7500 which is curved and has 3D.

I was hoping that a Black Friday sale may bring these models down to at least $1000, I may just suck it up and pay a few extra bucks, after all I will probably have this TV for 10+ years after purchase.
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Thanks for the suggestions, I am a fan of Vizio and would purchase one in a heart beat but it has to have a true 120 Hz panel and have the least amount of lag possible. I will look into those models but I have been thinking of these Samsung TV's: Samsung UN50JU7100 50-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV and the 7500 which is curved and has 3D.

I was hoping that a Black Friday sale may bring these models down to at least $1000, I may just suck it up and pay a few extra bucks, after all I will probably have this TV for 10+ years after purchase.
I agree that the UN50JU7100 clicks all your boxes, but it is nearly twice your $7-800 budget. If you are willing to pay upwards of $1500. you have a lot more options.
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I agree that the UN50JU7100 clicks all your boxes, but it is nearly twice your $7-800 budget. If you are willing to pay upwards of $1500. you have a lot more options.
Right now on Amazon the 7100 is $1298 and the 7500 is $1498, my hope is the price may drop by $300-$400 on Black Friday for one of them and I can walk away spending only $1000, which isn't a far stretch for my budget.

I assume those model Samsung's are excellent performers?
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1. Budget: $600-$700 on Black Friday 2015.

2. Seating: Small apartment living room. We'll probably be sitting within 7 feet so I think 4k should be a priority.

3. Size: Around 50 inches give or take.

4. Uses: Primarily used for cinema/film and so proper 24p/120hz refresh playback is a top priority. Secondary priority is for Video Games and so a fast response time would be ideal.

5. Lighting: Dimly lit living room. Glare shouldn't be a conflict.

6. Extras: Must be 120hz refresh with a dedicated 24p film mode. I despise the Soap Opera Effect. I want to watch film as the director intended it to be viewed.


I love everything about the Vizio M Series except for the fact that the sizes below 60in don't have the native 120 refresh rate. My plan on Black Friday is to pick up the 60in M Series for $800-900 on Black Friday but I Want to have a plan B to purchase a smaller Tv in the event that the 60in M series doesn't fall below $1000.

Perhaps the 50in M Series would work for me. I have read that it has a 24p film mode but does anyone have any experience with that? I've never really had a problem with 3:2 pull down but my hunch is that the 120 native refresh will be superior.

Thanks so much for any tips!
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Right now on Amazon the 7100 is $1298 and the 7500 is $1498, my hope is the price may drop by $300-$400 on Black Friday
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1. Budget: $600-$700 on Black Friday 2015.

My plan on Black Friday is to pick up the 60in M Series for $800-900 on Black Friday
I sure would not hold my breath for a particular TV to be on sale for a price you want on Black Friday.
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I sure would not hold my breath for a particular TV to be on sale for a price you want on Black Friday.
Thanks for the feedback. It is greatly appreciated.

Something that caught my eye is the Samsung UN50J6300 which is Rtings.com top rated 50 inch 1080p. It appears to suit all my needs minus 4k and its at around $800 on Amazon today. I think its likely it could go for $100-$150 less on Black Friday.

I think I'll either go big with the 60in Vizio M or go small with the 50 inch Samsung 1080p....unless someone can suggest another model I should put up on my radar.
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I think I'll either go big with the 60in Vizio M or go small with the 50 inch Samsung 1080p....unless someone can suggest another model I should put up on my radar.
IMO even though 1080p vs 4k at normal viewing distances may not be apparent, the difference between a 50" and 60" will be much more impressive than any difference in picture quality.
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Ok, so recommend something with the same features of the 7100 that will drop in price come Black Friday.
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Ok, so recommend something with the same features of the 7100 that will drop in price come Black Friday.
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My son-in-law is looking to purchase a 75" led tv and has asked me to advise him. I think 1080p is completely adequate for him, and the two choices look to me to be the Samsung J6300 and Sony W850C ($2200 and $2000, respectively, on Amazon). From what I can tell they are very similar in features, specs, etc. Is it obvious to those of you here which is preferable?
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hi all. new here (obviously). just moved into a new apt and i'm not lugging my old, 50" Samsung Plasma (complete with black lines) to the new place.

so...the search begins.

Budget
<$1000

Seating distance
~15'

Size/placement limitations
no real limitations here. i was aiming for 55"+

Uses and sources
Movies (Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.)
Sports (Football, baseball, hockey, basketball)
TV Shows

Room lighting
Tons of natural light from a massive floor-to-ceiling window to the left of where the TV will be placed.

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My son-in-law is looking to purchase a 75" led tv and has asked me to advise him. I think 1080p is completely adequate for him, and the two choices look to me to be the Samsung J6300 and Sony W850C ($2200 and $2000, respectively, on Amazon). From what I can tell they are very similar in features, specs, etc. Is it obvious to those of you here which is preferable?
If your son-in-law will be sitting within 10 feet of the 75" 1080p set, I would recommend going to a 4K model. For only $1998 and $2,298, respectively, Walmart has the 70" Vizio M70-C3 and Vizio P70ui-B3. Both are 240 Hz effective FALD with the P70ui-B3 having twice as many zones. IMO the increased resolution will trump an extra 5" of screens size which is only 7% more vs. 4 times the resolution.

You should consider going to a local store to look at 1080p vs. 4K sets in that size before purchasing on Amazon. Plus many stores will match Amazon pricing and it will be easier to return it, if necessary, to a local Best Buy or Walmart than having to ship it back to Amazon.
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1. Budget - $500 to 700 at most
2. Seating distance - 4-5 feet at closest to about 9 feet at the furthest
3. Size/placement limitations - None
4. Uses and sources - Lots of sports, some gaming, Roku, cable
5. Room lighting - Mid to dark

Coming from a P50ST50 which died (sigh). Need a cheap replacement to tide me over until OLED gets cheaper. Need something that can keep up with sports and not make me want to gouge my eyes out coming from Plasma. Thanks!
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Question Replacing TV - Need help with selection

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You guys helped me select a TV last time I was in the market for one... Figured you could help again! We are in the process of replacing our gas fireplace, with a wood burning one. I convinced the wife that since we have more room now, we can get a slightly larger TV and she agreed =)

Last time you helped us, we got a Samsung UN40EH6000 which we really enjoyed... but again we were limited since the TV originally had to set inside a recess. We are framing the recess up and drywalling over it, so it will be wall mounting it between the columns (see attached image)....

Budget - $700-$1k

Seating distance - Main couch is 10' away

Size/placement limitations - As mentioned above we are closing in the recessed area we had before, which limited us in size, when we bought the Samsung UN50EH6000. We are framing the recess in and drywalling over it, so now we are limited to the width between the columns. Which is 51" column to column. We will also have a 6-9" mantle right below the TV, and the TV will need to be wall mounted, we are having electric and cable outlets moved right behind the TV, flush mounted on the wall.

Uses and sources - Casual entertaining, occasional watching in the evening, son likes to watch tv in the living room as well.

Primarily we will be using a DishNetwork Joey. Since we do not have space for a blue ray, or any other device really, the TV must have a good wifi antenna, as well as Netflix and Amazon Prime APPS integrated in the TV. Also the TV should have good sound/speakers, as we will not have external speakers for the tv.

Room lighting- We have the two small windows that get early morning sun, then there is a double sliding glass door to the right of the couch, we normally have sheers on this slider, there is a fair amount of light midmorning to mid afternoon.

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If your son-in-law will be sitting within 10 feet of the 75" 1080p set, I would recommend going to a 4K model. For only $1998 and $2,298, respectively, Walmart has the 70" Vizio M70-C3 and Vizio P70ui-B3. Both are 240 Hz effective FALD with the P70ui-B3 having twice as many zones. IMO the increased resolution will trump an extra 5" of screens size which is only 7% more vs. 4 times the resolution. Plus many stores will match Amazon pricing and it will be easier to return it, if necessary, to a local Best Buy or Walmart than having to ship it back to Amazon.
Thanks much for the feedback, VA_DaveB. My own experience is with projectors (not LED TV), and for them my experience that 4K is not distinguishable from 1080p at more than ~ 1.5 screen widths. (I have a Sony1100, 4K, projector.) But perhaps it is more noticeable for LED TV's. We will certainly compare 1080p and 4K at some local stores to check this out.
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Need help picking a 40"-43" 4K TV.

Hi, I currently have a Vizio E420D-A0 that I really like, but I will be giving it to my nephew for an upgrade, rather than buying him a new TV. This is going in an armoire, so I’m restricted to a 40”-43” TV in my bedroom. I watch a lot of fast paced sports, movies (usually in a dark environment), DirectTV HD programming, (which I believe is 480p-1080I unless it’s a special movie channel with 1080p), Video games, PS4, 360, Wii U, PS3. I also enjoy passive 3D content and love my 42” Vizio for that, but my 61” active 3D LED DLP Samsung HLT6187SX/XAA, makes me dizzy/sick, which it is old, so IDK if Active has gotten better in regards to that. I also did a lot of research on 3D, and have a somewhat cool device that converts 2D-3D because my Vizio doesn’t do that, and it works pretty decent and probably the best box out there.

So these are the 4 TV’s I have to choose from, and I will spend top dollar if I’m going to keep it for 3-6 years and it’s worth it in performance, quality and being future ready.

Samsung UN40JU7500 & 7100: RTINGS rated the 7500, the best 40” TV but from a few guys on this forum who have had both 7100 & 7500 at the same time, have said that the blacks and colors were better on the 7100 and they returned the 7500. There is a minimal price difference between the two, and the curved concept is cool but if the picture quality is better on the 7100, if it’s true, it would be a no brainier. Cons: most expensive out of them all for a small TV, Active 3D, I prefer passive but at least it has it.

Does the 7100 have a better pic then the 7500?

Has active 3D gotten better, in regards to 4k TV’s? My issue with getting dizzy/sick could maybe only be my issue, but I’m fine with passive. I’ve also never tried a newer active TV.

I’m losing 2” from my current Vizio and 3” from the other two TV’S I’m looking at. Is that a big size loss in your opinion, with already a small TV?

Vizio M43-C1: RTINGS rated this, the best bang for your buck. My Cons: the worst of all my choices with up converting 480p-720p (mostly DirectTV), artifacts and judder with sports, no 4k YouTube, with not a lot of 4k content out there already, firmware updates that you need to randomly wait for, even if you’re in need, and no 3D, which I guess I could live without. Pros: Cheapest set so I wouldn’t be that hurt in a few years if I were to upgrade, great blacks and movie watching and good up converting with better content like Blu-Ray, Etc.



Last is the, Sony XBR43X830C: RTINGS and others are saying the blacks are gray, it’s meant for a lighter environment, the picture and colors look washed out, no 3D also, $250 more than the Vizio. All these things turn me off of this set besides Sony’s build quality.

Which TV would you suggest?

I have everything Passing-through on my Onkyo TX-SR707 1080p receiver, using 1.3a and 1.4 HDMI cables. Would I still be ok using this setup and get good clarity, seeing I won’t be displaying 4k content threw the receiver rather another HDMI cord from the TV? I would be sending the optical audio out from the TV to the receiver for sound, but would be losing HDMI HD audio formats though. Do I need to upgrade all of my HDMI cords to 2.0 and are they backwards compatible?

With a 1080p receiver , do you connect the main HDMI out to the TV with the 60 FPS HDMI in on the TV, or do I dedicate that to a device playing 4k content?
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