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Thanks much for the feedback, VA_DaveB. My own experience is with projectors (not LED TV), and for them my experience that 4K is not distinguishable from 1080p at more than ~ 1.5 screen widths. (I have a Sony1100, 4K, projector.) But perhaps it is more noticeable for LED TV's. We will certainly compare 1080p and 4K at some local stores to check this out.
Another factor is the 4K sets have higher end VA panels that are brighter with higher contrast and often a wider color gamut. Manufacturers are treating 1080p sets as entry level these days. Most have IPS panels that have lower contrast and brightness but do have a wider viewing angle for off-axis viewing. No matter what your final choice, it is always better to see the set in person before buying.
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Coming from plasma..

My 60" 2011 flagship plasma just died (after 2 cross country moves, so who could really blame it). I've discovered, much to my horror, that there are basically no plasmas available now, so I'm looking for something to replace my plasma.

Budget: $2500 or less
Size: 65" (depth not important; it is wall mounted in a recessed space between builtin bookshelves)
Viewing angle: Not important .. room is long
Brightness: Not important .. room is dark
Content:
-- Netflix, via Nvidia Shield Android TV box
-- BD and DVD rips, via Nvidia Shield Android TV box
-- SageTV HD300 Box for sports (NFL football, College basketball) (pretend it is a cable box)


What I'm looking for: Good motion handling for sports, good blacks for dark scenes in movies / tv.

The models I've been considering are:

- Samsung UN65JU7100: However, a thread here scared the heck out of me with posts from multiple people saying that there panels were so blurry for football as to be unwatchable.

- Samsung UN65JU7500: I'm not sure how I feel about curves. I have not read the thread here about it, so I'm not yet scared.

- Sony XBR65X850C: Again, I have not scoured the thread here yet, so I'm not scared. I do like the idea of built-in Android TV & moving the Shield to a different TV.

What else should I be considering? Should I consider the JU7100 issues to be defects in individual sets?

Thanks,

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Budget: Up to $3,000 -- More comfortable around $2K
Seating distance: About 10-12 feet
Placement limitations: Over the fireplace. Bottom of set would be approximately 64" off the ground.
Uses and sources: Cable broadcast TV & sports, Netflix & Blu-ray movies... did I mention sports?
Number of users: Family of 4
Room lighting: Great room with 2 story wall of windows with diffusing/darkening cellular shades
Size of display: 60" - Wifey won't let me go bigger than 60", but I'm not going smaller either because I want to be able to see the thing while cooking in the kitchen 25' back
Requirements: No curve; must mount on wall

Reading about 50 pages of this thread, it looks like my best option might be a Samsung JU7100 but I'm worried about the viewing angle given the mount above the fireplace. Should I stop worrying?
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I'm just looking for the best 70-75inch gaming TV. The ju7100 and the x850c are the two I'm eyeballing but just not sure. Would love if they dropped in price around the superbowl
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If your son-in-law will be sitting within 10 feet of the 75" 1080p set, I would recommend going to a 4K model. For only $1998 and $2,298, respectively, Walmart has the 70" Vizio M70-C3 and Vizio P70ui-B3. Both are 240 Hz effective FALD with the P70ui-B3 having twice as many zones. IMO the increased resolution will trump an extra 5" of screens size which is only 7% more vs. 4 times the resolution.

You should consider going to a local store to look at 1080p vs. 4K sets in that size before purchasing on Amazon. Plus many stores will match Amazon pricing and it will be easier to return it, if necessary, to a local Best Buy or Walmart than having to ship it back to Amazon.
Dave, took you advice: my son-in-law and I went by a place in Ann Arbor today, and he wants to spring for a 4K! So the two choices he wrestling with now (at 75") are the Samsung JU7100 and Sony XBR ... 850C, $4300 and $3800, respectively. Both looked very good, and the only spec diff I see is in the refresh rate, 240Hz for the Sammy and 120Hz for the Sony.

Any recommendations (from anyone)?
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The Samsung is really 120 Hz just like the Sony. The Sony has better screen uniformity and doesn't introduce judder if you watch movies at 24p via a PC. Both are direct lit VA Panels and either is a good choice. At rtings they have them as the best choices at that size.


http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-...0-75-inch/best
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Help me decide

room is 15x20, couch is 12 ft from tv. viewing distance and angles vary depending on seating. mainly HD cable content, xbox one, and digital streaming.

budget is 1200 or less.

any recommendations are appreciated but what I have found so far (under 1200$) is

Samsung UN60H7150AFXZA
Vizio M60-C3
LG 65UF8500

Which is best?
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room is 15x20, couch is 12 ft from tv. viewing distance and angles vary depending on seating. mainly HD cable content, xbox one, and digital streaming.

budget is 1200 or less.

any recommendations are appreciated but what I have found so far (under 1200$) is

Samsung UN60H7150AFXZA
Vizio M60-C3
LG 65UF8500

Which is best?
If you do not have to have 4k, you can get a larger screen for the same or less money. At 12 feet, you will not see the difference in resolution between 4k and 1080p. In fact, you will not see the difference at that distance until you get up to about a 90" screen. The sources you mention are likely to give you 1080i and 1080p sources. For about the same money as the 60" Vizio you mention, you could get the 70" E70-C3. IMO, a larger screen is more impressive than the difference in resolution that you may or may not even be able to see. Expand your search to 1080p sets in your price range. Your room is big enough to justify it.

I do not know if you can find that LG under your budget, but it would be a good buy if you do.
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If you do not have to have 4k, you can get a larger screen for the same or less money. At 12 feet, you will not see the difference in resolution between 4k and 1080p. In fact, you will not see the difference at that distance until you get up to about a 90" screen. The sources you mention are likely to give you 1080i and 1080p sources. For about the same money as the 60" Vizio you mention, you could get the 70" E70-C3. IMO, a larger screen is more impressive than the difference in resolution that you may or may not even be able to see. Expand your search to 1080p sets in your price range. Your room is big enough to justify it.

I do not know if you can find that LG under your budget, but it would be a good buy if you do.
Thanks so much for the quick response! I found it on shopsmarttvs dot com (it wont let me post the link, since I am new, lol).

Is that a reputable source? They take paypal, which makes me feel somewhat comfortable.
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Thanks so much for the quick response! I found it on shopsmarttvs dot com (it wont let me post the link, since I am new, lol).

Is that a reputable source? They take paypal, which makes me feel somewhat comfortable.
When something looks too good to be true, be careful. Any place you decide to try, enter into this site and read the comments.

http://www.resellerratings.com/

A lot of the east cost sites are known for bait and switch tactics. I have read posts on AVS about them. As much as I like a deal, I also like to have a local company to stand behind my purchase.
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Thanks so much for the quick response! I found it on shopsmarttvs dot com (it wont let me post the link, since I am new, lol).

Is that a reputable source? They take paypal, which makes me feel somewhat comfortable.
So it turns out they are commercial model (AU)? they claim they are only good for computer monitors and are 8 bit panels instead of 10 bit?
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Hi All,

You guys helped me select a TV last time I was in the market for one... Figured you could help again! We are in the process of replacing our gas fireplace, with a wood burning one. I convinced the wife that since we have more room now, we can get a slightly larger TV and she agreed =)

Last time you helped us, we got a Samsung UN40EH6000 which we really enjoyed... but again we were limited since the TV originally had to set inside a recess. We are framing the recess up and drywalling over it, so it will be wall mounting it between the columns (see attached image)....

Budget - $700-$1k

Seating distance - Main couch is 10' away

Size/placement limitations - As mentioned above we are closing in the recessed area we had before, which limited us in size, when we bought the Samsung UN50EH6000. We are framing the recess in and drywalling over it, so now we are limited to the width between the columns. Which is 51" column to column. We will also have a 6-9" mantle right below the TV, and the TV will need to be wall mounted, we are having electric and cable outlets moved right behind the TV, flush mounted on the wall.

Uses and sources - Casual entertaining, occasional watching in the evening, son likes to watch tv in the living room as well.

Primarily we will be using a DishNetwork Joey. Since we do not have space for a blue ray, or any other device really, the TV must have a good wifi antenna, as well as Netflix and Amazon Prime APPS integrated in the TV. Also the TV should have good sound/speakers, as we will not have external speakers for the tv.

Room lighting- We have the two small windows that get early morning sun, then there is a double sliding glass door to the right of the couch, we normally have sheers on this slider, there is a fair amount of light midmorning to mid afternoon.

Thanks in advance!
Hey guys,

Thoughts on if the Samsung UN50JU7100 would check all / most of my requirements?

I tried to push the UN48JS8500, but the wife doesn't want to spend that much on the Living Room tv.
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Size/placement limitations - As mentioned above we are closing in the recessed area we had before, which limited us in size, when we bought the Samsung UN50EH6000. We are framing the recess in and drywalling over it, so now we are limited to the width between the columns. Which is 51" column to column. We will also have a 6-9" mantle right below the TV, and the TV will need to be wall mounted, we are having electric and cable outlets moved right behind the TV, flush mounted on the wall.
Just so you know the UN55JU7100 (55") is only 48.9" wide so it will fit your 51" opening. Tell your wife every inch counts!

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Just so you know the UN55JU7100 (55") is only 48.9" wide so it will fit your 51" opening. Tell your wife every inch counts!
Will do ;-)
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Amazingly the wife agreed to the 55" 8500. Just picked it up.

Now I need a wall mount.


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Hello,
First post and I appreciate any input.
Trying to choose between a Sony XBR65 810c or last year's 800b for casual viewing.
$1,800 for the 810 vs $1,600 for the 800.
All things being equal, I'm leaning towards the 810 mostly because it's a newer model. Pricing not really a factor to be honest.

Now for a few particulars:
The TV will be placed on a 20" high table in front of a solid wall with a viewing distance of about 8.5 feet.
The room is 12x20 with recessed lighting in a 9ft ceiling and is partially open to the kitchen and living room area. No lamps.
Lots and lots of natural light from windows but hopefully that won't be much of a problem as none of the windows are in the line of sight of the television, so I'm not overly concerned about reflection. I should add I rarely view in a darkened room.

As far as usage, just looking for a good, basic, easy to use set for viewing Direct TV content and movies, some sports, Netflix, Amazon, and 4K streaming. Don't care about 3D obviously. Internet connection speed is 40 Mbps, which I hope is enough.

I was able to view an 850c and the 800b side by side at an electronics repair store. He doesn't have an 810 in stock yet.
The programming was local SD and HD cable with settings you'd actually see in a home environment. Both sets looked good to my eyes with the edge going to the 850, but I'm not sure it was $700 or more better.
Haven't been able to audition one yet but I'm guessing the new 810c is basically an upgraded 800b and most likely a better tv. The store owner has been good to me and I would prefer to buy from him rather than a big box store. He's knowledgeable, very close in pricing plus he'll deliver 30 miles out of town and set everything up for $80. Authorized dealer too. Well worth it I think.

I plan on pairing the tv with my PlayStation 2 and either a Sony HT-NT3 or HTST5 sound bar. Trying to keep things as simple as possible as I have a home theater set up in a different part of the house.

My only qualm is the operating system in the 810. Is the Android OS really that buggy that one should avoid it? My only other concern is room brightness. Too much for daytime viewing?
I'm sure I'd be happy with either set though.

Sorry for such a long first post.
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Amazingly the wife agreed to the 55" 8500. Just picked it up.

Now I need a wall mount.


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Nice! I just saw that Buydig on eBay is selling the UN55JS8500 for only $1,299.
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Need help what to buy

I can get 65Ju7100 or a Sony 65CX8505C for around 2000usd here in Sweden and both of them are on sale.

Which is the best one?

Both have HDR support but Sony also has WCG.

Cant decide :/ This will be my main TV for atleast 5 years.
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Hello,
First post and I appreciate any input.
Trying to choose between a Sony XBR65 810c or last year's 800b for casual viewing.
$1,800 for the 810 vs $1,600 for the 800.
Lots and lots of natural light from windows but hopefully that won't be much of a problem as none of the windows are in the line of sight of the television, so I'm not overly concerned about reflection. I should add I rarely view in a darkened room.

I was able to view an 850c and the 800b side by side at an electronics repair store. He doesn't have an 810 in stock yet.
The programming was local SD and HD cable with settings you'd actually see in a home environment. Both sets looked good to my eyes with the edge going to the 850, but I'm not sure it was $700 or more better.
The 850C with TRILUMINOS and X-tended Dynamic Range (XDR) is a better choice for a room with lots of ambient light. Here are quotes from two reviews of the 810C:

"The maximum light output (luminosity) from this display isn’t the brightest, so limiting the amount of bright sun light entering your viewing environment is recommended."

"A bright living room isn't the Sony X810C's strong suit. It doesn't get very bright, and the picture quality is reduced at an angle."

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Need help what to buy

I can get 65Ju7100 or a Sony 65CX8505C for around 2000usd here in Sweden and both of them are on sale.

Which is the best one?

Both have HDR support but Sony also has WCG.

Cant decide :/ This will be my main TV for atleast 5 years.
Both are good choices, but most reviews give the edge to the Samsung. You can look at the link below at the reviews for each and decide for yourself.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/65-inch/best
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Both are good choices, but most reviews give the edge to the Samsung. You can look at the link below at the reviews for each and decide for yourself.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/65-inch/best
Thx Dave Going to buy the Sammy then. The one thing that bugs me is that Ju7100 here in sweden is called Ju7005 and samsung chatsupport says that it is not HDR compatible and only JS8*** have HDR.
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Well HDR implementation is kinda iffy at this point anyway.
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Well HDR implementation is kinda iffy at this point anyway.
Yeah i know but i rather have bad HDR than no hdr at all
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So then you would have go with the Sony with to get HDR and WCG. It's up to you based on your needs and preferences. You should view them in the store and make your final decision.
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Help me choose.....

Trying to decide b/w the following Tvs. I have just recently finished my basement and have a very large movie/entertainment area for a large TV. I want to go big (65"+) but want to keep budget below $10k. Do I go LED or OLED?:

Recommendations?

Samsung JS9500 78" or JS9100 78" or JS8600 78"?

Also, I was looking at the LG 65" EF9500.

Mostly will be watching sports/movies.

Thanks in advance.
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Trying to decide b/w the following Tvs. I have just recently finished my basement and have a very large movie/entertainment area for a large TV. I want to go big (65"+) but want to keep budget below $10k. Do I go LED or OLED?:

Recommendations?

Samsung JS9500 78" or JS9100 78" or JS8600 78"?

Also, I was looking at the LG 65" EF9500.

Mostly will be watching sports/movies.

Thanks in advance.
You say the area is very large, so two pertinent questions:

How far will you be sitting from the screen?

Is there off-angle viewing?

OELD is the way to go for off angle viewing since all the high-end VA panel LEDs look horrible more than 15 degrees off axis. For straight on viewing beyond 12 feet, size trumps everything else.
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You say the area is very large, so two pertinent questions:

How far will you be sitting from the screen?

Is there off-angle viewing?

OELD is the way to go for off angle viewing since all the high-end VA panel LEDs look horrible more than 15 degrees off axis. For straight on viewing beyond 12 feet, size trumps everything else.
Will be sitting about 12' to 15' away. Left to right seating about 15' across. So there is off-angle viewing.

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Will be sitting about 12' to 15' away. Left to right seating about 15' across. So there is off-angle viewing.

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Yep there will be significant off-angle viewing (20 to 30 degrees) towards the edges of that space. Consider the new LG 65EF9500 flat 4K OLED just coming out this month for just under $5K. I'd wait until it comes out and checkout the reviews. Also buy local so you can easily exchange it if there are any issues. I don't think anything curved would be a good idea in that room.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_68965E9...0.html?tp=9201
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Hi all, I have done quite a bit of research using this site and am about to make a new TV purchase. I currently have a 6 year old 42" Panasonic Plasma in my family room that my 3 year old son has taken over and this has pushed me to finally put a TV in my Living room. We just got a new sectional and the TV will be in direct view with the closest seating at 8ft and the furthest seating at 12ft. I am currently looking at a Sony 65X850C that I can get brand new for $1615, Yes this is a real price. Based on the reviews and the price I can get this for it seems like a no brainer for me.

My usage will be general HD TV from Comcast/Xfinity, blue-ray from PS3, movies from Netflix, and I will watch some football on it but not much.

Is there another TV I should be looking at or is this a great deal I should not pass up?
For comparison I can get the 65JU7100 for $1955 and the 65JU7500 for $2380.
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That is a good price for the 65" Sony. Unless there is off-angle viewing in your Living Room, the 65X850C is a good choice at that price for sure. Any VA panel LED will have noticeable PQ degradation when you sit more than 20 degrees off angle though.
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