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1.Budget
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2. Seating distance
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3. Size/placement limitations
42-50"

4. Uses and sources
TV
Movies
Console Systems (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii)

5. Room lighting
windows with blinds. Dimly lit.

I currently have a LG 42LH40. I bought this tv without knowing what motion-rate 120 is and how it's NOT a 120 hz panel. The artifacts it creates in fast moving scenes is horrendous. I could turn it off, but I really like the smooth panning it creates otherwise. I'd like to correct that this time around. I'm interested in getting a panel capable of 120 hz at 1080p natively.

I only play re-encoded TV/Movies, so I'm not sure if HDR will be even close to necessary. I wouldn't mind 4k, but I want an emphasis on being able to do 120 hz at 1080p, which I'm not sure is possible at this price point with 4k TV's.
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Can you explain to me why I might want/need HDR? I read a little about it but am unsure if I would notice the difference with or without based on what I watch.
Check this out... It will tell you everything you need to know. If you have a good HDR TV, and the content for it, its very noticeable.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...sion-explained
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Check this out... It will tell you everything you need to know. If you have a good HDR TV, and the content for it, its very noticeable.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...sion-explained
OK. So after reading that I've decided that HDR is important. I've also came to the conclusion that 65" won't be big enough. So now the question is how much beyond my original $3k budget would I have to go to be able to do this and what are my options. I do have the benefit of time as my existing set is still OK. I could easily wait until the Super Bowl sales to buy if need be and possibly longer. I am at the very early stages of purchasing.

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OK. So after reading that I've decided that HDR is important. I'vealso came to the conclusion that 65" won't be big enough. So now the question is how much beyond my original $3k budget would I have to go to be able to do this and what are my options. I do have the benefit of time as my existing set is still OK. I could easily wait until the Super Bowl sales to buy if need be and possibly longer. I am at the very early stages of purchasing.


I came to the same conclusion when I started looking. Thanks to this damn forum! Right now, if you are not a gamer, the best tv in my opinion is the Sony 940D. The vizio is a good tv at the price I got it for. Good thing is, you can buy now, and you can price match later with Best Buy or amazon.


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Check this out... It will tell you everything you need to know. If you have a good HDR TV, and the content for it, its very noticeable.
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I came to the same conclusion when I started looking. Thanks to this damn forum! Right now, if you are not a gamer, the best tv in my opinion is the Sony 940D. The vizio is a good tv at the price I got it for. Good thing is, you can buy now, and you can price match later with Best Buy or amazon.


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Not a gamer now but I'd like for this TV to be a little future proof for when my son gets old enough to play games on it with me (he's almost 5 now). Right now its strictly WiiU (would lag be noticeable on it's games?). But eventually I'd love to play whatever generation of Playstation and/or XBox without needing to upgrade a TV. My DLP has served me well and has lasted 9+ years. So barring a major problem I usually keep TVs that long. I'd rather wait a little for a price to come down rather than sacrifice quality.
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Not a gamer now but I'd like for this TV to be a little future proof for when my son gets old enough to play games on it with me (he's almost 5 now). Right now its strictly WiiU (would lag be noticeable on it's games?). But eventually I'd love to play whatever generation of Playstation and/or XBox without needing to upgrade a TV. My DLP has served me well and has lasted 9+ years. So barring a major problem I usually keep TVs that long. I'd rather wait a little for a price to come down rather than sacrifice quality.


If you're willing to wait, CES is next month which will probably make the prices on current tvs drop a bit since new tech will be coming out.


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So if lag is an issue for me, what would you recommend instead of the Sony? Your Vizio or is there something in the price range of that Sony that's better than your Vizio?

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Replacing an older model floor model Sony tv. It's about an 50in screen. Works fine just takes up too much space
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Viewing distance is about 11ft away.
Mostly sports, movies, HDTV and videogames
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I've been looking at 65in TV's as I feel it will fill out the space on the wall better vs. a 55in TV. Any suggestions on a tv would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi everyone!

Just trying to decide on a new TV for our basement. We use the basement to watch movies as there is a completely dark room, with surround sound.

The existing TV is a Panasonic 55" plasma, which will be moved into our family room.

I'm trying to device between two 65" TVs:

1. Panasonic TV-65DX800

or

2. Sony XBR65X930D

Having a hard time trying to figure out which is better. I love my plasma's since there is no motion blur, so I'd really like to pick the right LED.

Thanks in advance to all that reply!

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So if lag is an issue for me, what would you recommend instead of the Sony? Your Vizio or is there something in the price range of that Sony that's better than your Vizio?


The vizio does have better input lag over a 4K signal. Right now the HDR lag is as high as the Sony, but planned to be fixed this month. The Sony is a better HDR tv as far as brightness and colors to though. Prices go crazy high for anything "better" than these two tvs. The Samsung KS9800 and the Sony z9 are 8-10,000.


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Replacing an older model floor model Sony tv. It's about an 50in screen. Works fine just takes up too much space
New TV location on the wall
Viewing distance is about 11ft away.
Mostly sports, movies, HDTV and videogames
Budget is $2000 and under
I've been looking at 65in TV's as I feel it will fill out the space on the wall better vs. a 55in TV. Any suggestions on a tv would be greatly appreciated.


Check out the 65" Samsung KS8000, the 70" vizio m70. Both would be great game tvs, but the Samsung would get you a better HDR experience, but the m70 will have much better blacks and no edge lit blooming.


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Hi everyone!

Just trying to decide on a new TV for our basement. We use the basement to watch movies as there is a completely dark room, with surround sound.

The existing TV is a Panasonic 55" plasma, which will be moved into our family room.

I'm trying to device between two 65" TVs:

1. Panasonic TV-65DX800

or

2. Sony XBR65X930D

Having a hard time trying to figure out which is better. I love my plasma's since there is no motion blur, so I'd really like to pick the right LED.

Thanks in advance to all that reply!

Patrick


If you are coming from a plasma I would not even be looking at an edge lit display. Especially if watching in a very dark room. Go OLED with the lg b6/c6, or vizio p65.


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Hi everyone!

Just trying to decide on a new TV for our basement. We use the basement to watch movies as there is a completely dark room, with surround sound.

The existing TV is a Panasonic 55" plasma, which will be moved into our family room.

I'm trying to device between two 65" TVs:

1. Panasonic TV-65DX800

or

2. Sony XBR65X930D

Having a hard time trying to figure out which is better. I love my plasma's since there is no motion blur, so I'd really like to pick the right LED.

Thanks in advance to all that reply!

Patrick
For dark room you will want either an OLED or VA panel LCD/LED. You do not want an IPS panel with weak blacks. VA panels, however, have viewing angles less than 20 off center before the picture degrades, so ............

Will you be sitting directly in front of the TV or is there any off angle viewing? If so, how many degrees off center?

If there any off angle viewing beyond 20 degrees, you want an LG OLED for your dark room. OLEDs are still pricey and the flat LG OLED65B6P is going for $3,300. It has unlimited viewing angles like your plasma, but the brightness is considerably less than the better LCD/LEDs which is not the best for HDR. Local dimming is not applicable since each pixel is individually lighted/darkened just like your plasma.

If you don't have an off angle issue, the Sony XBR65X930D is a good choice and is selling for $2,000. For an edge lit set, the local dimming isn't bad and the Sony has excellent upscaling and motion handling. It also has a bright panel for good HDR.
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For dark room you will want either an OLED or VA panel LCD/LED. You do not want an IPS panel with weak blacks. VA panels, however, have viewing angles less than 20 off center before the picture degrades, so ............

Will you be sitting directly in front of the TV or is there any off angle viewing? If so, how many degrees off center?

If there any off angle viewing beyond 20 degrees, you want an LG OLED for your dark room. OLEDs are still pricey and the flat LG OLED65B6P is going for $3,300. It has unlimited viewing angles like your plasma, but the brightness is considerably less than the better LCD/LEDs which is not the best for HDR. Local dimming is not applicable since each pixel is individually lighted/darkened just like your plasma.

If you don't have an off angle issue, the Sony XBR65X930D is a good choice and is selling for $2,000. For an edge lit set, the local dimming isn't bad and the Sony has excellent upscaling and motion handling. It also has a bright panel for good HDR.


Agree, for an edge lit it's not bad. But it's still terrible compared to full array or OLED. Going from plasma to edge lit is a very bad idea. I went from an older p series with full array to an edge lit screen and couldn't handle it. Returned for the newer p series and am much happier.


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Agree, for an edge lit it's not bad. But it's still terrible compared to full array or OLED. Going from plasma to edge lit is a very bad idea. I went from an older p series with full array to an edge lit screen and couldn't handle it. Returned for the newer p series and am much happier.


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Everybody's eye is different. For me, the Vizio P series FALD sets just don't have enough zones, with only 128 on the 65" and 75" sets. The only current FALD set I've seen where I thought the FALD was clearly superior was the Sony XBR75X940D, which reportedly has 600 individually controlled LEDs. And for cable TV watching, the Vizio's continue to suffer from sub par upscaling which is visible if you sit close enough.
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Tc-58dx800

Those two panels were pretty much at my max budget. I wonder if I should just wait it out a little longer for things to come down. The lat thing I want to do is replace my 55" plasma with a large inferior product.

Maybe I'll just buy a lower end TV for the family room and keep my plasma until it died.

What are your thoughts on the Panasonic TC-58DX800? This TV will be in the family room over a fireplace. In the same room there is an 8ft patio door, so it isn't a dark room

Thanks a lot everyone, so far it seems you've all saved me from myself !

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Hello, I'd like some input on the topic of a new TV. My tastes might be a bit odd, considering that this is an AV enthusiasts' forum, but please humor me.

My Samsung plasma - a 60" PN7000 - has died. We had an engineer attempt to diagnose it, and he (and his coworker) were both stumped. So after 5 years of bliss with this set, I find myself thrust back onto a very different TV market. Plasma is dead, OLED is up and coming, LED looks improved, etc.

I'm looking for a TV at either 60 or 65" (preferably 65"). For sports, I watch American football and soccer. I don't watch much new television - mainly old shows from 1950s-1990s, and mostly old movies from 1910s-1990s.. so the source material on much of what I watch isn't the best. I'm not a picky videophile, so this doesn't bother me much. I also stream from Netflix and Amazon once in a while.

My living room is middling on light levels. I can draw the curtains and get it pretty dim during the daytime, but it's rarely pitch-black dark. And our sofa is about 10" from where the TV sits.

As far as gaming goes, I don't play anything very competitive - no twitchy FPSes or fighting games. I like adventure games, RPGs, platformers, etc. The only consoles that will be attached to this TV will be of the Nintendo variety - the Wii U and eventually the Switch (which will supposedly top-out at 1080p). {I have a great gaming rig to complement my consoles}

So, to be honest, I don't really care right now about 4k or HDR. They look great, and futureproofing would be nice, but they're not central to my TV hunt.

My #1 concern for a new TV is: can it handle a 720p or 1080p game well? This is where I am picky. I want something that can handle motion well without too much blur while also having a decent lag time.

My budget is around $1000-1200. I'd eventually love an OLED, but I'm waiting a few years for the tech to mature while prices come down. I was prepared to stick with the plasma until I was ready for that jump. But I'm guessing that an LED will be best for the next few years.

Any suggestions? (They'd be very much appreciated - thanks!)
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Hello, I'd like some input on the topic of a new TV. My tastes might be a bit odd, considering that this is an AV enthusiasts' forum, but please humor me.

My Samsung plasma - a 60" PN7000 - has died. We had an engineer attempt to diagnose it, and he (and his coworker) were both stumped. So after 5 years of bliss with this set, I find myself thrust back onto a very different TV market. Plasma is dead, OLED is up and coming, LED looks improved, etc.

I'm looking for a TV at either 60 or 65" (preferably 65"). For sports, I watch American football and soccer. I don't watch much new television - mainly old shows from 1950s-1990s, and mostly old movies from 1910s-1990s.. so the source material on much of what I watch isn't the best. I'm not a picky videophile, so this doesn't bother me much. I also stream from Netflix and Amazon once in a while.

My living room is middling on light levels. I can draw the curtains and get it pretty dim during the daytime, but it's rarely pitch-black dark. And our sofa is about 10" from where the TV sits.

As far as gaming goes, I don't play anything very competitive - no twitchy FPSes or fighting games. I like adventure games, RPGs, platformers, etc. The only consoles that will be attached to this TV will be of the Nintendo variety - the Wii U and eventually the Switch (which will supposedly top-out at 1080p). {I have a great gaming rig to complement my consoles}

So, to be honest, I don't really care right now about 4k or HDR. They look great, and futureproofing would be nice, but they're not central to my TV hunt.

My #1 concern for a new TV is: can it handle a 720p or 1080p game well? This is where I am picky. I want something that can handle motion well without too much blur while also having a decent lag time.

My budget is around $1000-1200. I'd eventually love an OLED, but I'm waiting a few years for the tech to mature while prices come down. I was prepared to stick with the plasma until I was ready for that jump. But I'm guessing that an LED will be best for the next few years.

Any suggestions? (They'd be very much appreciated - thanks!)
For your application i think the samsung ku6300 would be a starting point.. its got all the bells and whistles you may want at a solid mid range price... if that doesn't grab you , try the m series from vizio... the ku6300 is priced kinda high right now but it will come down soon... happy hunting. ..
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For your application i think the samsung ku6300 would be a starting point.. its got all the bells and whistles you may want at a solid mid range price... if that doesn't grab you , try the m series from vizio... the ku6300 is priced kinda high right now but it will come down soon... happy hunting. ..
Thanks for the suggestions - I'm going to take a closer look at the 6300 this weekend. It looks like it could fit the job nicely for a few years. Cheers!
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Thanks for the suggestions - I'm going to take a closer look at the 6300 this weekend. It looks like it could fit the job nicely for a few years. Cheers!
Just be aware, that like most bargain sets, it has a native refresh rate of 60 Hz so motion handling is mediocre and there will be judder issues.
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Thanks for the suggestions - I'm going to take a closer look at the 6300 this weekend. It looks like it could fit the job nicely for a few years. Cheers!

If depends on how observant one is.
I know we all have a budget but I would stay away from Samsung 6000. I always wondered why my local 1080p movies had judder and motion blue, no one in my household complaint but I could always see it but was ok with it as had nothing else to compare.

Just bought a XBR65x930D and the difference is light and day. I would highly recommend comparing the Samsung to Sony at BestBuy if possible. Funny thing is at Magnolia the XBR looked to have motion blur compared to a LG OLED.

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The Samsung UN60KS8000 uses a different panel version (EA01) than the 55" and 65" models, which has a narrower viewing angle a thicker bezel.
, which has a narrower viewing angle a thicker bezel.
This is unclear.

Do you mean....
and has a narrower viewing angle and a thicker bezel....? The 60"er
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that have a narrower viewing angle and a thicker bezel. the 55/65"ers

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, which has a narrower viewing angle a thicker bezel.
This is unclear.

Do you mean....
and has a narrower viewing angle and a thicker bezel....? The 60"er
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that have a narrower viewing angle and a thicker bezel. the 55/65"ers

Please clarify...

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Uh oh, an English major. I actually wrote for a living but, Okay, here try this ....................

The 60" KS series has a narrower viewing angle and a thicker bezel because it has a different panel.

I will not debate the English usage case you presented as I have a long, mostly unpleasant, history of dealing with editors.
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Thank you for your clarifying the narrower angle of the screens...
I too am concerned less with grammar than with understanding and appreciate your helpful reply...I am looking at the 55s but would have gone with 60 if that one had the wider angle of view...but it looks like the 55 is my size...again, thanks.
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Thank you for your clarifying the narrower angle of the screens...
I too am concerned less with grammar than with understanding and appreciate your helpful reply...I am looking at the 55s but would have gone with 60 if that one had the wider angle of view...but it looks like the 55 is my size...again, thanks.
Narrow viewing angles are a problem for all VA panels. The max VA panel off angle viewing without degradation is around 20 degrees but some are limited to just 15 degrees. IPS panels are from 30 to 50 degrees, while OEDs and old plasmas go all the way to just about 90 degrees. If you have any significant off angle viewing, VA panels are not for you.
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How i see lot of people are SONY fans but how i know SAMSUNG got much higher quality standards and failing less.
Correct me if am i wrong .
Isn't Samsung UN65KS9000 a better choice and why?
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Narrow viewing angles are a problem for all VA panels. The max VA panel off angle viewing without degradation is around 20 degrees but some are limited to just 15 degrees. IPS panels are from 30 to 50 degrees, while OEDs and old plasmas go all the way to just about 90 degrees. If you have any significant off angle viewing, VA panels are not for you.
Having an IPS pc monitor for my photography I do understand that...and know that VA panels have a limited horizontal viewing angle...
What I didn't know is that some VA panels may have a MORE limited viewing angle than others...and appreciated learning of that here.

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SH*T, i just watched LD OLED TV review and tell you the truth : F***K SAMMY and SONY, i'll buy LG OLED LOL
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I am looking at the P55-C1. I know this is an IPS display which doesn't bother me too much with FALD, but how is the DSE. I am super sensitive to it. It drives me nuts. If it is bad I am going 65ks8000. I will be sitting a in a mostly dark room though. I have a budget of around 1500 give or take a couple hundred of dollars. I am sitting about 11 - 12 ft back. I do game a lot. I have a PS4 Pro and and Xbox One S to use on it. I did have a 60KS8000 for a little bit but the backlight bleed at the bottom was atrocious.
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I am looking at the P55-C1. I know this is an IPS display which doesn't bother me too much with FALD, but how is the DSE. I am super sensitive to it. It drives me nuts. If it is bad I am going 65ks8000. I will be sitting a in a mostly dark room though. I have a budget of around 1500 give or take a couple hundred of dollars. I am sitting about 11 - 12 ft back. I do game a lot. I have a PS4 Pro and and Xbox One S to use on it. I did have a 60KS8000 for a little bit but the backlight bleed at the bottom was atrocious.
  1. I don't understand your two choices: either a 55" IPS set or a 65" VA panel set. Different types of panels, different sizes, different manufacturers.
  2. Also, you say you have a "mostly dark room", that said you would be better off with a VA panel. You didn't mention there would be any off angle viewing that would dictate an IPS panel as the best choice.
  3. Also, the Samsung 60KS8000 has a different panel (EA01) and bezel than the Samsung 55KS8000 or 65KS8000 (AA02 or FA01) so I wouldn't think the backlight bleed at the bottom would be comparable.
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