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So the KS8000 has poor blacks; scratch that.
I've been through two P65's, both with demarcations down the middle and pink/yellow hues in different corners - QC is brutal.


What else are my options? Budget is $3k CDN. I can't believe for that price I can't get a solid, non-DSE 65".


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Do you own either? x930D looks to have some uniformity/DSE issues though. I am Canadian and stereotypically watch hockey.
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Do you own either? x930D looks to have some uniformity/DSE issues though. I am Canadian and stereotypically watch hockey.


I just purchased the 940D, so I can't comment on the 930D exactly. But I do have a P75 that's going back. It's the second one I had, both with bad pixels.


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Hi All,

This is my first post and was hoping to get a little advice. I purchased my last TV about 4 years ago (Samsung 45" Plasma PNXXeE450), researched things to death, and ended up not really liking it. So, a couple of days ago I impulsively decided to get a new TV.

We watch TV in the evenings for about 1 hour, maybe 2 on the weekend. No sports or gaming and only stream Netflix and Amazon prime. Don't watch movies. I sometimes stream from my laptop using Plex.

The TV will be in our living room, don't ever watch during the day, and 1 floor lamp is on in the evenings.

We are very modest users of a TV and I don't want to spend too much ($500-$700..giver or take). 50" is probably best for us.

I went to Costco and was thinking about these two:
Vizio: M50-D1 - not thrilled about chromecast and the tablet but can always use a Roku.
Samsung: KU6300 (on sale for $500)

Any thoughts or ideas? I appreciate the help.
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Do you own either? x930D looks to have some uniformity/DSE issues though. I am Canadian and stereotypically watch hockey.
Getting back to the KS8000, it does NOT have weak black levels, they are actually quite good. And, for an LCD, it has little DSE without banding. All LCDs have some degree of DSE and the worst viewing case for it is watching hockey with all that white ice.
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For a dark room, you want a VA panel so eliminate all the IPS panel LGs, UH6150 and UH6550, which also have the "fake" RGBW panel. The LG UH5500 and all the Samsungs on your list are 60 Hz VA panels. All the Samsung's have judder in 24p sources such as Blu Ray while the LG UH5500 does not. The UN70KU6290 is essentially a KU6300 without Blu Tooth and with a standard vs. smart remote. It is a bit brighter than the KU7000 and so is a better choice. The UN65KU6500 performs similar to the UN65KU6290 but is curved. If 24p judder is a problem for you, consider the bargain priced LG UH5500 but be aware it is not very bright. All of the Samsung's and the LG UH5500 suffer from DSE which may spoil your sports viewing.
so if understand you correctly, my choices from those listed are really down to either the 70" Samsung 6290 or the LG 65" 5500.


is the 70" Samsung worth the $700 difference over the 65" LG???? (please say yes )
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Sorry I posted this as a separate thread before reading everything... but I have a question.

75" KS9000 vs 78" KS9500 in a large living room

My local store is providing both for the same price and I'm torn! I have to make a decision within the next 24 hours since they're holding it for me. What should I go with? The living room the TV going in is quite large but there is glare from the sunlight outside. It's primarily just for me and my wife, not really parties or too many people watching at once.
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so if understand you correctly, my choices from those listed are really down to either the 70" Samsung 6290 or the LG 65" 5500.


is the 70" Samsung worth the $700 difference over the 65" LG???? (please say yes )
That's your call. It is bigger, brighter with deeper blacks but has that judder issue with 24p blu rays. Both
suffer from noticeable DSE including some banding which is not good for sports. For me it wouldn't be worth it just because of that annoying judder so I'd pocket the $700. Are there really no other choices?
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Are there really no other choices?

as I noted in my original post, these are the only 65" and/or 70" in Calgary for under $2100.00
Keep in mind to get to that level, they had to go on sale as well...
This includes Best Buy, Costco, Visions, Wal Mart...


UN70KU6290 $1999
UN65KU7000 $1999
UN65KU6500 $1699
UN65KU6290 $1689

LG UH6550 $2089
LG UH6150 $1789
LG UH5500 $1299


thanks for all of your help....
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as I noted in my original post, these are the only 65" and/or 70" in Calgary for under $2100.00
Keep in mind to get to that level, they had to go on sale as well...
This includes Best Buy, Costco, Visions, Wal Mart...


UN70KU6290 $1999
UN65KU7000 $1999
UN65KU6500 $1699
UN65KU6290 $1689

LG UH6550 $2089
LG UH6150 $1789
LG UH5500 $1299


thanks for all of your help....


I forgot to add.... there were a couple of other models, a Toshiba and a couple of Phillips, but just looking at the demos in store was enough for me to exclude them.
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I forgot to add.... there were a couple of other models, a Toshiba and a couple of Phillips, but just looking at the demos in store was enough for me to exclude them.


That's terrible. Is there any way to get a TV from the US? Not really sure how that works. Much better deals here!

Oh and 70" 6290 out of the choices you listed


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Hey folks I'm new here. I was researching tv's and it brought me to the site. The info here on the TV's i had on my short list(which is now in ripped up) is amazing but now I'm back to square one!

My TV is for gaming on the xbox one s, 40" as Its for the man cave, sorry Gaming room, and my budget is £450 possibly £500. Now i've been looking at a two:-

SAMSUNG UE40JU6400
panasonic viera tx-40dx700b (this was number 1 on my shortlist as i could find it on the Panasonic site for £449 refurbished with a 12 month warranty, then read something here that put me off.

My head is now swaying and i'm starting to feel a bit light headed with all the info!

Has anyone bought a decent TV at the price I'm looking for and works great on the Xbox one s, are the ones i shortlisted good enough for my Gaming room?
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Hi guys,

I've been researching a lot on these forums and came to the conclusion that my best option is the Vizio M65-D0 for $1,250 on Costco right now. I like that it has a VA panel and FALD.

Would you recommend anything over this one at this price range (~100 dollars give or take)?
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I've been researching a lot on these forums and came to the conclusion that my best option is the Vizio M65-D0 for $1,250 on Costco right now. I like that it has a VA panel and FALD.



Would you recommend anything over this one at this price range (~100 dollars give or take)?


If you can get Samsung EPP, the ks8000 65" is 1079 currently.


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If you can get Samsung EPP, the ks8000 65" is 1079 currently.
Thanks for the tip but I can't get the Samsung EPP.

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I've been researching a lot on these forums and came to the conclusion that my best option is the Vizio M65-D0 for $1,250 on Costco right now. I like that it has a VA panel and FALD.

Would you recommend anything over this one at this price range (~100 dollars give or take)?
How will you be using it? You know it has poor upscaling vs. Samsung and Sony which makes for substandard cable TV performance, and doesn't do real Chroma 4:4:4 which makes it a poor choice for PC functions and also affects gaming. If your main use will be watching cable TV, look at Samsung and Sony VA panel sets. It is excellent for 4K viewing and for Blu Rays though. Also since you have stated a preference for a VA panel, it is assumed you don't have an off angle viewing situation over 20 degrees in the room.
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How will you be using it? You know it has poor upscaling vs. Samsung and Sony which makes for substandard cable TV performance, and doesn't do real Chroma 4:4:4 which makes it a poor choice for PC functions and also affects gaming. If your main use will be watching cable TV, look at Samsung and Sony VA panel sets. It is excellent for 4K viewing and for Blu Rays though. Also since you have stated a preference for a VA panel, it is assumed you don't have an off angle viewing situation over 20 degrees in the room.
Mostly cable TV and Netflix. No PC, no gaming, no Bluray.

I will be mostly watching it from the couch. The only off angle viewing situation would be when I'm sitting at the dining table but that's not an issue since I almost never watch TV when dining.

What are the Samsung and Sony models comparable to the price of the M series? Top of the line like the P series are above my budget.
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Mostly cable TV and Netflix. No PC, no gaming, no Bluray.

I will be mostly watching it from the couch. The only off angle viewing situation would be when I'm sitting at the dining table but that's not an issue since I almost never watch TV when dining.

What are the Samsung and Sony models comparable to the price of the M series? Top of the line like the P series are above my budget.
OK so a VA panel is what you want then. The main issue with all Vizio sets is poor upscaling of 480p and 720p sources. The M series also isn't very bright, but is still good for 4k and OK for HDR even with subpar peak brightness due to the decent FALD.

Going with Costco since you mentioned it, the Samsung UN65KU6290 is essentially a KU6300 with a more basic remote. It is brighter than the Vizio M but doesn't do HDR as well since is has no local dimming at all. But it has good upscaling for cable TV viewing, does have 24p judder, but you're not watching Blu Rays. It's a member special so I have no idea what the price is.

But if you can up your budget a little, the Samsung UN65KS800D at Costco is $230 more than the Vizio M but $220 less than the Vizio P series is an excellent choice for someone watching cable TV and Netflix. It has very good upscaling and is decent for HDR with better peak brightness than the Vizio but the edge dimming brings it down over the Vizio's FALD.

From what I can seem, Costco doesn't sell Sony at all.
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Any remarkable 1080p TVs to watch out for heading into boxing week?

I will primarily be using it hooked up to a PC and PS4 in the living room.

Why 1080p:
I just picked up a 4k TV but will likely return it because my GPU (R9 290) can't output [email protected] through HDMI (it requires Display Port). I can only get 30hz and the input lag with a mouse (even just on Windows desktop) is sluggish. I can only get the mouse to 'feel' right by dropping down to [email protected] =( Everything is optimized for the best input lag according to rtings, but this refresh rate seems to be causing problems. Someone please slap me if I've misunderstood something basic which is contributing to this.

To put my budget into perspective, I just got LG's UH6100 at $700 CAD. (This was $400 off through Cyber Monday pricing due to extremely late delivery. I can still return it.) Unless the 1080p option ends up being a significantly better in Boxing Week I might hang onto the UH6100 as it is otherwise pretty nice and the console and GPU will eventually be upgraded.

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Hi, I wanna replace my 9 years old 40" TV with something bigger as 55" maybe


1. Budget - (£1000 - £1200 - so around $1500)

2. Seating distance - about 8.5 to 10 feet (3m)

3. Size/placement limitations 50" - 55" . The TV stands on the TV table and I use the swivel when gaming for better view from my chair

4. Uses and sources - free-view TV, Kodi, Netflix and PS4 ( maybe later I will get PRO)

5. Room lighting - x4 LED Philips bulbs 9W
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OK so a VA panel is what you want then. The main issue with all Vizio sets is poor upscaling of 480p and 720p sources.
The comment on upscaling is not completely true. I have the P series and I don't have any issue with upscaling of 720p. The source is important. I'm using Directv and like the poster am watching primarily TV and streamed content. Trying to upscale 480p with any 4KUHD TV is going to be problematic - especially the larger the display.

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The comment on upscaling is not completely true. I have the P series and I don't have any issue with upscaling of 720p. The source is important. I'm using Directv and like the poster am watching primarily TV and streamed content. Trying to upscale 480p with any 4KUHD TV is going to be problematic - especially the larger the display.
Every review I've read and my own eyes tell me that you are wrong. The Vizio P looks soft or fuzzy when upscaled from 720p. If you're watching 1080p on demand from DirecTV that's different because Vizio's upscaling of 1080p is pretty good.
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Every review I've read and my own eyes tell me that you are wrong. The Vizio P looks soft or fuzzy when upscaled from 720p. If you're watching 1080p on demand from DirecTV that's different because Vizio's upscaling of 1080p is pretty good.
I guess as an owner of said set for 6+ months and who watches both 720p and 1080i content via Directv we will have to disagree but my statement of the source still stands - not all sources of HD are created equal when discussing cable/satellite providers.

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Hi. I am shopping for a large TV (>80") and looking at the Sony XBR85X850D (84.5") and the LG 86UH9500 (85.6"). I know many here wouldn't recommend any of these but if you were forced into choosing one, is there a clear winner? They retail for almost identical prices at the moment.

Won't be used for gaming. Lots of DIRECTV, so interested in knowing which one can better upscale content. I've never had LG tvs, wondering if the build quality compares to Sony's.

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Hi. I am shopping for a large TV (>80") and looking at the Sony XBR85X850D (84.5") and the LG 86UH9500 (85.6"). I know many here wouldn't recommend any of these but if you were forced into choosing one, is there a clear winner? They retail for almost identical prices at the moment.

Won't be used for gaming. Lots of DIRECTV, so interested in knowing which one can better upscale content. I've never had LG tvs, wondering if the build quality compares to Sony's.
Sony 850, both seem to have average blacks in the dark but the sony has better motion handling.
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How is the 65' inch KS7000 For $2000 Canadian Dollars?
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55 or 65 replacement for 42" plasma

I've been looking on and off for awhile for a replacement for our aging Panasonic TH-42PZ77U plasma.

I'm really looking at 55 to 65" range up to $1500.

The area for this TV is a living room which has a fair amount of natural lighting during the daytime. In the evenings there isn't really a lot of light to reflect off the TV as the lighting is more can lighting than anything else.

At this point it's our most used TV.
A tuner and apps aren't overly important as I primarily use IPTV that comes in over Ethernet or a Roku I don't expect that to change.
At most we might hook up an NES Classic to it from a gaming standpoint, I'm more of a PC gamer and have a solid custom gaming rig for that. So really this is just TV/Movies.

I've looked at the OLED options from LG, the Sony X850 and X930 options, the Vizio P series, the Samsung KS8000 and I always make the poor decision looking at comments that throw me off what I would normally have been nearly sold on.

So at this point, I'm open to any make/model as long as it'll do well in the environment I'm looking in above and hit the 55/65 - sub 1500 goals.
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Hi guys, I'm planning on getting a new TV for my bedroom. Size preference is 55-65-inch. I've narrowed down my options from the TVs that are available where I live (it's not in North America). These are:

Samsung 55KS8500 ~$2300
Samsung 60KS8000 ~2600
Samsung 55KS9500 ~2850
Sony 55W930D ~$2750
LG OLED 55 C6V ~$2800

My usage is 90% movies/TV shows and 10% casual FPS gaming through my PC. There's no point disclosing the exact price as due to currency differences and other factors it becomes hard to understand. I will however convert it to US dollars to explain the difference between the 5.

The OLED TV from LG looks very tempting, but I'm scared of burn-in, especially when playing FPS games when certain aspects of the UI don't really change through-out the 1-2 hour session of gameplay.
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Well, another person out there looking for advice on which TV to buy. I'm looking for a 49/50" TV for my bedroom, and am looking for 4k HDR, perferably with FALD and local dimming. However, mainly looking for a great picture, decent audio, and upscaling is important to me. I don't have any sources of UHD 4K video yet, so everything will be upscaled for the time being.

These are the models I'm considering, so you have an idea of what I'm looking at:

Samsung UN49KS8000
Vizio P50-C1
Vizio M50-D1

I think that both Vizio's have FALD and local dimming, and the Samsung doesn't. They all rate well on picture, the Samsung gets better reviews for upscaling. Anyways, the reviews are all over the place...I could really use some advice from people that either know something about all these via shopping and reading, and owners of these TVs.

I'm also open to suggestions...it seems that the more expensive TVs that have more of the features that I'm looking for don't come in the 50" size...Can't spend enough to get an OLED, but am willing and able to go up to maybe $1500.

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How is the 65' inch KS7000 For $2000 Canadian Dollars?
It's lots better when the Samsung SUHD KS 8000 HDR 1000 spec. is $1,497. 99 in the USA but a KS 8000 is a better TV than the much less than HDR 1000 spec. SDR KU7000 entry level HDR ready Samsung .

I would be hard pressed to buy one of those at US prices for my primary man cave display . I would think KS 8000 or Sony X930D HDR 1000 spec. for my choices in 2016
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