the "help me choose an LCD" thread - Page 341 - AVS Forum

lwien123 · 01-31-2017, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sykopat

-Samsung KU6290 (cheap image quality? Currently 920$CAN at Costco)

Nope. Great image quality. The only thing cheap about it is the price. For the money, I don't think there's anything that can touch it.

Mindspin311 · 01-31-2017, 08:51 AM

Looking at 3 TVs... LG 65UH7700 ($900), Samsung 65KS8000 (~$1500), Samsung 65KU6300 (~$1000).

TV will be in my living room, so some windows. No gaming. Programming to be watched with be streaming service based. DirecTVNow, Amazon, etc. I do plan to upgrade streaming devices to get access to 4K programming. If I want to sit down and watch a movie, I will go to my room with a projector in it.

Trying to determine if I need to splurge for the KS8000. Or save the $500 and never really know the difference.

maverick22 · 01-31-2017, 08:52 AM

An individual near me is selling a Sony 65" x930d. What do you guys think about buying used? How does the warranty work (does it carry over)? Should I only buy if they have a receipt?

VA_DaveB · 01-31-2017, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blaker34

Hey everyone,

$4,000 Budget for a 75" HDR and I'm completely torn at this point. I just luckily found out the Samsung 7100 does not support HDR. For whatever reason I thought it did. I had been sold on that one for a while with the assumption it was HDR.

I am making a decision this week due to the Super Bowl deals. Vizio P-series right now is at the top due to the bang for buck and the reviews by rtings and reviewed.com. I am doing a 3 tv set up in my man cave that is currently being built and won't be done until about March. I am doing a 75" in the middle and 48 or 50inch flanking the 75". If I did Vizio, I would probably do M series or E series Vizio's flanking the Vizio P series, but the silver bezel and black bezel's kind of ignites my OCD a little bit. Also, the things that have me torn are the mixed reviews about the tablet remote and firmware issues.

For the 75", it's a man cave, so sports through DirectTV and streaming movies and shows through Amazon Prime and Netflix will be the 3 most used sources of tv and movie watching. The wife and I also watch a decent amount of movies through DTV on demand.

A final note, overall movie watching is last on my list of priorities. I am doing a dedicated home theater room later this year, so obviously once that is done, most of the movie watching will move to that room.

A little clarity would be much appreciated!

You should take a look at the Sony XBR75X940D which comes in a little under $4,000.

blaker34 · 01-31-2017, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VA_DaveB

You should take a look at the Sony XBR75X940D which comes in a little under $4,000.

I have, but right now overall ratings are better on the Vizio P vs the Sony and the Sony is $800 more. So the simple question is, is it worth the additional $800?

VA_DaveB · 01-31-2017, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blaker34

I have, but right now overall ratings are better on the Vizio P vs the Sony and the Sony is $800 more. So the simple question is, is it worth the additional $800?

Look for yourself. Sony's upscaling is much better, it's brighter and the FALD has 3 times the number of zones. Don't buy anything without looking at it for yourself.

JUSTBLAZE2k7 · 02-01-2017, 10:51 AM

I just bought a Vizio M60-D1 and it's ok. Love the size. The picture is ok. Not really a fan of the tablet remote. I'm thinking of exchanging it for the Samsung KS8000 55 inch due to better reviews on performance with HDR, WCG, etc. The 60 inch is a little out of my budget, though. Is the 5 inch decrease gonna be that noticeable?

mr.chapel · 02-01-2017, 01:25 PM

Hi everyone, I am looking to buy a new tv and I’m looking for advices and opinions.
Right now I have a 42”Panasonic Plasma TC42S2.
A 55 inch is the biggest I can fit in the space I have.
I watch Tv thru Bell ExpressVu Sat tv(Dish Network equivalent) mostly for Hockey, I do a minimal gaming(Xbox 360,PS3),Netflix with Nvidia Shield TV and also have a big collection of SD content on NAS.
I watch tv in a dark room, my viewing distance is about 7 feet and I sit right in front. I have narrowed it down to 3 choice:
Samsung KS8000(I have read that motion blur is a problem for hockey)
Vizio P55-C1(How bad is the upscaling?)
Sony XBR55X930D(seems to be my best choice?)
What do you people think?
Thank you.

VA_DaveB · 02-01-2017, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JUSTBLAZE2k7

I just bought a Vizio M60-D1 and it's ok. Love the size. The picture is ok. Not really a fan of the tablet remote. I'm thinking of exchanging it for the Samsung KS8000 55 inch due to better reviews on performance with HDR, WCG, etc. The 60 inch is a little out of my budget, though. Is the 5 inch decrease gonna be that noticeable?

How far away do you sit from the TV? Plus the M60-D1has an IPS panel vs. the VA panel the rest of the M Vizio's and the KS8000 has. If you don't need the wider viewing angle of the IPS, the Samsung's black levels are much superior.

johnnysd · 02-01-2017, 04:33 PM

Looking for a one to two year "for now" TV while HDR setties and I have more money. So simple question: Samsung 55"6290 or Hisense 55H8C, both $499 at BB. Most use is genearly purpose TV, only event programming in very dark room, 4k streaming, golf football, Blu ray no gaming.

JUSTBLAZE2k7 · 02-01-2017, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VA_DaveB

How far away do you sit from the TV? Plus the M60-D1has an IPS panel vs. the VA panel the rest of the M Vizio's and the KS8000 has. If you don't need the wider viewing angle of the IPS, the Samsung's black levels are much superior.

I sit fairly close. About 7 feet or so.

gregcss · 02-01-2017, 08:08 PM

Update: Given light bleed would drive me crazy with letter box I'm going with the P65.

1. Budget: Up to $2000

2. Seating distance: 8 feet

3. Size/placement limitations: 55"-65" straight on viewing only

4. Uses and sources: Netflix, Amazon, Bluray, Xbox1

5. Room lighting: medium dark, however there is some glare on my current tv during day time

I'm replacing an 7+ year old 46" Samsung LCD. Works well, blacks could be better, upgrading to get a larger TV and benefits of 4k/HDR. I watch movies half the time with a light on half the time in the dark. Not sure if dolby vision is something I should consider. I also like that Vizio is trying to improve performance through firmware updates. Not sure is Samsung is doing that as I haven't followed that thread.

Looking at:
Vizio P65: $1550
Samsung KS8000 65": $1500
Samsung KS8000 55": $1000

Thanks in advance.

blaker34 · 02-02-2017, 05:06 AM

As I was about to pull the trigger on the 940D I see this ghosting/smearing issue thread. Looked deeper into it and now I am almost back to square one. Other than that it's a great TV it seems. Maybe I will wait for the new stuff to come out, I won't need these tv's until the Man Cave gets done in March or April.

Hmmmmm

VA_DaveB · 02-02-2017, 05:40 AM

Yep sometimes I wonder how anyone who reads this site thoroughly ever buys anything.

blaker34 · 02-02-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VA_DaveB

Yep sometimes I wonder how anyone who reads this site thoroughly ever buys anything.

LOL. Yeah, the more I read about each tv, you can easily find a group of people that are upset about something with each one. I guess there is no perfect tv out there.

VA_DaveB · 02-02-2017, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blaker34

LOL. Yeah, the more I read about each tv, you can easily find a group of people that are upset about something with each one. I guess there is no perfect tv out there.

No there isn't, especially with LCDs. Different panels in the same model, different processing, bad QC over in China. Plus the members here are all looking for problems. It's not uncommon to read about someone returning as many as a half a dozen TVs for problems you'd probably never even notice if you just watched it instead of looking for minuscule insignificant defects. Hope you finally settle on something. And remember, you can always join the party here and return it!

rivlez · 02-02-2017, 01:19 PM

I want to get a new TV and don't want to spend too much. My budget is $1000 and I want to buy from Best Buy. I can get either a 65" Samsung KU6300 for $900 or a 65" LG UH7700 for $1000 after they price match PC Richards. I was thinking about getting a KS8000 but the build quality issues are worrying and I can only get a 55" for $1000 and don't want to get a smaller TV than what I currently have. The 65" KS8000 is $1500 but that's 50% more than the LG UH7700 and 66% more than the KU6300. I would use it for Xbox One S, PS4 Pro and DirecTV Now services.

Please help me make up my mind. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance!

VA_DaveB · 02-02-2017, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rivlez

I want to get a new TV and don't want to spend too much. My budget is $1000 and I want to buy from Best Buy. I can get either a 65" Samsung KU6300 for $900 or a 65" LG UH7700 for $1000 after they price match PC Richards. I was thinking about getting a KS8000 but the build quality issues are worrying and I can only get a 55" for $1000 and don't want to get a smaller TV than what I currently have. The 65" KS8000 is $1500 but that's 50% more than the LG UH7700 and 66% more than the KU6300. I would use it for Xbox One S, PS4 Pro and DirecTV Now services.

Please help me make up my mind. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance!

Both of these are lower rated 4K sets, so the KS8000 will be significantly better than either of them. It's a bright VA panel with deep blacks and decent HDR. But, if it's above your budget ..............

First, the KU6300 is a VA panel and the UH7700 is an IPS panel - so the KU6300 has deeper blacks but the UH7700 has a better viewing angle.

Second, KU6300 is a 60 Hz panel with judder in all movie sources, while the UH7700 is a 120 Hz panel that is judder free.

Both suffer from screen uniformity issues that will be noticed watching sports, especially ice hockey and soccer.

So if you watch TV in a bright room or need a wider viewing angle, go for the LG UH7700. If you watch in the dark, can deal with the narrow viewing angle and judder, go for the Samsung KU6300.

rivlez · 02-02-2017, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VA_DaveB

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivlez

I want to get a new TV and don't want to spend too much. My budget is $1000 and I want to buy from Best Buy. I can get either a 65" Samsung KU6300 for $900 or a 65" LG UH7700 for $1000 after they price match PC Richards. I was thinking about getting a KS8000 but the build quality issues are worrying and I can only get a 55" for $1000 and don't want to get a smaller TV than what I currently have. The 65" KS8000 is $1500 but that's 50% more than the LG UH7700 and 66% more than the KU6300. I would use it for Xbox One S, PS4 Pro and DirecTV Now services.

Please help me make up my mind. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance!

Both of these are lower rated 4K sets, so the KS8000 will be significantly better than either of them. It's a bright VA panel with deep blacks and decent HDR. But, if it's above your budget ..............

First, the KU6300 is a VA panel and the UH7700 is an IPS panel - so the KU6300 has deeper blacks but the UH7700 has a better viewing angle.

Second, KU6300 is a 60 Hz panel with judder in all movie sources, while the UH7700 is a 120 Hz panel that is judder free.

Both suffer from screen uniformity issues that will be noticed watching sports, especially ice hockey and soccer.

So if you watch TV in a bright room or need a wider viewing angle, go for the LG UH7700. If you watch in the dark, can deal with the narrow viewing angle and judder, go for the Samsung KU6300.

I just can't justify spending 50% more for maybe a 15% better picture on the KS8000.

This TV would be in a basement where there isn't much natural lighting and I usually watch tv with low lighting. I've been using a 40" KU6300 as my computer monitor for the past 10 months and it's been good. The picture is fine but I definitely see the judder in movies and TV shows.

Are there any other alternative TV's that I haven't thought of?

MMcCraryNJ · 02-02-2017, 09:05 PM

Hey all,

I currently have a Sony XBR55x810c (2015 4K model without HDR). In general, I really like it, but as I also recently purchased a PS4 Pro, I'm looking to get into HDR now. I've had my x810c up on Craigslist (but with no activity), so that's going to play into my decision too, but I was wondering if anyone can chime in as to whether or not I would even notice a huge difference in picture quality going from x810c to the KS8000. It's currently on sale at Best Buy (at least until Saturday night) for $999, and as I have about $600 in gift cards/reward zone points, if I can manage to sell this thing for about $500, I'd make out okay enough to warrant the purchase.

From what I've seen on the store floor, the KS8000 absolutely blows my set away, but I know that the store lighting and such plays a big part in that.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

2hightec · 02-03-2017, 10:25 AM

So our family is moving to a new house with a great room and have a need for off angle viewing for a family of four (complaints abound about old one today).

My question is this - wife and I LOVE the pop of color at BB on the KS9800 and are going to look at both at a Magnolia Best buy saturday.

Some reviews claim the sammy has somewhat better off angle viewing, but I cannot touch the 78" inch in that sammy line.
Prices are prime in the Sony line right now for the 78", but I also see that it's off angle viewing is supposedly worse than the sammy.

We looked at the LG OLED units and were simply totally unimpressed with the color (we like what we like).
We are not looking to launch a space shuttle here, but would like to be satisfied with the purchase we make.

Any thoughts?

AV Challenged · 02-03-2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 2hightec

We looked at the LG OLED units and were simply totally unimpressed with the color (we like what we like).
We are not looking to launch a space shuttle here, but would like to be satisfied with the purchase we make.

Any thoughts?

You looked at one at BB on Vivid?

The unit has two ISF modes, bright room and dark room. You need to see it feeding content from a source you use too. Did that at Crutchfield which has Comcast feed as do I and it blew the 9800 Sammy below it away. My salesman wasn't surprised.

2hightec · 02-03-2017, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AV Challenged

You looked at one at BB on Vivid?

The unit has two ISF modes, bright room and dark room. You need to see it feeding content from a source you use too. Did that at Crutchfield which has Comcast feed as do I and it blew the 9800 Sammy below it away. My salesman wasn't surprised.

Well - THAT will be something I will challenge the kids in the Magnolia center with tomorrow! Thanks for the feedback and I am very interested to see what we see!

ergalthema · 02-03-2017, 02:26 PM

Is there any better value than a 65" KS8000 for $1500 at this time?

I just returned a 55H8C because it had too many quirks and Hisense support wasn't helpful. I started all this hoping to spend under $500... I actually really liked the H8C picture quality.

I'm considering a Samsung 55" KU6290 for $500. I know it's not full HDR, but I thought it might hold me over until OLEDs and 12-bit HDR is more affordable.

But then I thought, well, you don't really appreciate 4K under 65"... and the KS8000 is full HDR... so, maybe I should just go for it. I have seen 55" LG OLEDs for $1500 on ebay, but again I think I'd rather wait until OLED has 12-bit color at 65" for a price I can afford - maybe a few years from now.

So, I'm kind of leaning toward the KS8000 at this point. Are there any other similar deals I might be missing?

VA_DaveB · 02-04-2017, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 2hightec

So our family is moving to a new house with a great room and have a need for off angle viewing for a family of four (complaints abound about old one today).

My question is this - wife and I LOVE the pop of color at BB on the KS9800 and are going to look at both at a Magnolia Best buy saturday.

Some reviews claim the sammy has somewhat better off angle viewing, but I cannot touch the 78" inch in that sammy line.
Prices are prime in the Sony line right now for the 78", but I also see that it's off angle viewing is supposedly worse than the sammy.

We looked at the LG OLED units and were simply totally unimpressed with the color (we like what we like).
We are not looking to launch a space shuttle here, but would like to be satisfied with the purchase we make.

Any thoughts?

If you need off-angle viewing, you want an IPS panel since you don't care for OLED. No VA panel will have anything better than 20 degrees off angle before you start losing that color pop you like so much. You should take a look at the IPS panel Sony XBR75X850D which has much better off angle viewing and performs well in a bright room.

KSpan · 02-05-2017, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 2hightec

So our family is moving to a new house with a great room and have a need for off angle viewing for a family of four (complaints abound about old one today).

My question is this - wife and I LOVE the pop of color at BB on the KS9800 and are going to look at both at a Magnolia Best buy saturday.

Some reviews claim the sammy has somewhat better off angle viewing, but I cannot touch the 78" inch in that sammy line.
Prices are prime in the Sony line right now for the 78", but I also see that it's off angle viewing is supposedly worse than the sammy.

We looked at the LG OLED units and were simply totally unimpressed with the color (we like what we like).
We are not looking to launch a space shuttle here, but would like to be satisfied with the purchase we make.

Any thoughts?

Without knowing just how off-angle you guys get, I second the X850D. My parents have a 75" and it's a fine TV that offers the usual strengths/weaknesses of an IPS panel with Sony's great motion handling.

Rocjard · 02-05-2017, 09:53 AM

Hello all,

I'm considering upgrading from my 2012 Vizio E39-A1 1080p TV. I'm looking at the Samsung KU6300/6290. I can get the 50" KU6290 for $448 at my local Sam's Club.

I will be using this mostly with my PS4 Pro. I am wondering if this will be a large upgrade from my current TV. I know the Vizio is a relatively low end TV, but I think it looks decent. I don't really want to upgrade if I want notice that big of a difference. Also are there any other TVs to consider in the same price range and size as the KU6300 that are good for gaming/HDR gaming.

Thanks

lwien123 · 02-05-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocjard

Hello all,

...are there any other TVs to consider in the same price range and size as the KU6300 that are good for gaming/HDR gaming.

Thanks

Other than the KU6290, no.

user2017 · 02-06-2017, 03:34 AM

I'm looking for a cost-effective 40-50 inch 4K TV to use as a PC monitor. Largely for spreadsheets, so I'm looking for 4:4:4 capability for clearer text. Low input lag would be good. I'm also interested in HDR capability and HDMI 2.0a or better.

Based on some reading, Sony's 2016 models seem adequate, but some models I'm interested in (eg XBR43X800D) are sold out here so I'm leaning toward waiting for their 2017 models to come out in the next few months.

Can anyone recommend some other models that would be good for these purposes? Thanks.

VA_DaveB · 02-06-2017, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by user2017

I'm looking for a cost-effective 40-50 inch 4K TV to use as a PC monitor. Largely for spreadsheets, so I'm looking for 4:4:4 capability for clearer text. Low input lag would be good. I'm also interested in HDR capability and HDMI 2.0a or better.

Based on some reading, Sony's 2016 models seem adequate, but some models I'm interested in (eg XBR43X800D) are sold out here so I'm leaning toward waiting for their 2017 models to come out in the next few months.

Can anyone recommend some other models that would be good for these purposes? Thanks.

The Samsung UN40KU6300 and UN43KU6300 do 4:4:4, have HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2 inputs and do HDR.

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