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The Samsung UN40KU6300 and UN43KU6300 do 4:4:4, have HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2 inputs and do HDR.
What are the differences between KU6300 and KU6270, KU6290 or KU7000? I can't find the KU6300 locally.
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What are the differences between KU6300 and KU6270, KU6290 or KU7000? I can't find the KU6300 locally.
I found the following info from rtings:
KU6270: standard remote, no Bluetooth.
KU6290: smart remote, no Bluetooth.

KU7000: thinner, edge-lit backlight, slightly better HDR
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I found the following info from rtings:
KU6270: standard remote, no Bluetooth.
KU6290: smart remote, no Bluetooth.

KU7000: thinner, edge-lit backlight, slightly better HDR
The KU6290 is the closest to the KU6300 if that matters. Since you're following rtings, they prefer the KU6300 over the KU7000. All suffer from the usual Samsung 60 Hz TV judder issues.
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I think I'm looking for a set that is just impossible to find.
I've yet to find anything that ticks every box.

I want a flat panel for my bedroom and the following are my requirements:
  • Cost no more than $800
  • 50' or smaller
  • Smart TV (not Chromcast) - mainly needed for Netflix
  • 120hz native panel - no fake 120hz from a native 60hz panel
  • 4k HDR is a plus but not a requirement

I think the hardest part is finding a true 120hz panel at this size. I keep finding 60hz panels advertised as 120hz because of some enhancing tech.
Lots of sets have Chromecast but I'm not interested in that.

I guess I could live with putting in a Roku stick on a set if I had to but I'd really prefer the TV to have some smart capabilities.
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Juar how "bad" is the judder in the KU6300/6500?

Hi everyone..I posted a message a few days ago because I want to replace my 55 inch 2011 Samsung LCD with a 65inch TV- I can't afford OLED prices (CDN prices are much higher!)...and I don't care about 3D but I like the curved look (don't judge me pls!)...so I was looking at the 65KS8500 but the price here in Canada hasn't dropped as much as in the US...most authorized places have it for $3.499 CDN! outrageous...and I'm sure that the new Samsung TVs will be just as much or Much higher (and no dolby Vision!)...so..an option is the Samsung 65KU6500 which is the same as the KU6300 but Rtings.com cautions about judder when watching 24p content and reading some of the owners opinions in the dedicated KU thread it seems that it is a real problem...how can this be when TVs are supposed to be so much better nowadays...? I'm willing to live without the HDR100 since I would use my oppo 103D bluray to play my extensive bluray collection (one day OLED or QLED will be affordable!) but judder for regular bluray movies is a dealbreaker...can anyone put things in perspective???
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Hi everyone..I posted a message a few days ago because I want to replace my 55 inch 2011 Samsung LCD with a 65inch TV- I can't afford OLED prices (CDN prices are much higher!)...and I don't care about 3D but I like the curved look (don't judge me pls!)...so I was looking at the 65KS8500 but the price here in Canada hasn't dropped as much as in the US...most authorized places have it for $3.499 CDN! outrageous...and I'm sure that the new Samsung TVs will be just as much or Much higher (and no dolby Vision!)...so..an option is the Samsung 65KU6500 which is the same as the KU6300 but Rtings.com cautions about judder when watching 24p content and reading some of the owners opinions in the dedicated KU thread it seems that it is a real problem...how can this be when TVs are supposed to be so much better nowadays...? I'm willing to live without the HDR100 since I would use my oppo 103D bluray to play my extensive bluray collection (one day OLED or QLED will be affordable!) but judder for regular bluray movies is a dealbreaker...can anyone put things in perspective???
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The KU6300 and KU6500 are 60 Hz panels for which judder in 24p content is an issue. Samsung apparently doesn't care at all about this since they exhibit judder at straight 24p, 24p @ 60p and 24p @ 60i. If judder is an issue for you do not consider these sets. Why are you fixated on Samsung? Look at the Rtings.com 24p results and pick something else.
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The KU6300 and KU6500 are 60 Hz panels for which judder in 24p content is an issue. Samsung apparently doesn't care at all about this since they exhibit judder at straight 24p, 24p @ 60p and 24p @ 60i. If judder is an issue for you do not consider these sets. Why are you fixated on Samsung? Look at the Rtings.com 24p results and pick something else.
thank you for the sound advice...I guess I'm fixated with the curved look of the Samsung TV. I looked at the list in Rtings.com and of course the much more expensive KS8500 is one the judde-free TV sets. But no point in getting a new set that has judder issues. I will look at the Sony ones too..
I will use my set to watch mostly bluray movies, some Over the Air HD sports and shows. I will one day upgrade to an oppo 4k player for some 4K movies but I don't intend to replace my entire (500 plus) Bluray collection. I'm hoping that the new set will upscale really good and that contrast and colour are better than my current LCD from 2011. I won't waste my money on the KU6500...I know a new 65Q7 will cost $3,499 US!!! lots more in Canada. Anyway, I don't have to buy it yet...perhaps the best time to buy a TV is when the current one breaks down!
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I just can't justify spending 50% more for maybe a 15% better picture on the KS8000.

This TV would be in a basement where there isn't much natural lighting and I usually watch tv with low lighting. I've been using a 40" KU6300 as my computer monitor for the past 10 months and it's been good. The picture is fine but I definitely see the judder in movies and TV shows.

Are there any other alternative TV's that I haven't thought of?
I bought the un65ku6290, which is basically the ku6300 without bluetooth. You can get around the judder issues playing with the settings on the tv and reading online hhow to do it. It sucks that in todays technology that you need to manipulate a tv to not have judder, which samsung should be very ashamed of. I saw the ks8000 and ku 6300 next to each other in a BB, and I actually got the pictures to look identical, although they were set on the retail display mode. Picture is fine, what I expected from a $1k tv set, but just wasnt willing to cough up the extra 600 bucks for a marginally better picture in a tv that also has some issues with judder, based on reading in the forums here. Good luck
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Ok guys I need advice. I have been on here searching and reading for a little over a week now and still can't decide which way I want to go.

I want a 75" tv for my new house. I am having trouble deciding if it is worth spending an extra $2,000 plus for the other higher end models. I do not buy tvs often so I will use this tv for a long time 5+ years at a minimum in fact the only reason I am buying this one is because we are gaining another room and our living room is bigger so I am upgrading my living room tv and shuffling the other tvs to other rooms. I like the idea of paying extra now to get more/better technology so 5+ years down the road my tv is still good on the other hand I wouldn't mind saving money buying the cheaper tv.

Our watching habits are Direct TV, netflix, amazon, Movies and Sports. No particular order.


In the first group of tvs (4) which one is recommend.

Samsung - 75" Class (74.5" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV - Black Model: UN75JU6500FXZA Best Buy Price: $2,199

Sony - XBR X850D Series 75" Class (74.5” diag) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV - Black Model: XBR75X850D Best Buy Price: $2,799

Sony - 75" Class (74.5" diag) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 3D - 4K Ultra HD TV with High Dynamic Range - Black Model: XBR75X940D Best Buy Price: $3,999

Samsung - 75" Class (74.5" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 3D - 4K Ultra HD TV - Silver/Black Model: UN75JU7100FXZA Best Buy Price: $2,599




My initial thinking was to wait for the UN75KS9000FXZA to come down in price (under 5k) with the release of the new tv's. But since the new QLED is the same price I maybe waiting awhile. How big of a difference are these tv's compared to any above?

New! Samsung - 75" Class (74.5" Diag.) - QLED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV with High Dynamic Range - Black Model: QN75Q7FAMFXZA Best Buy Price: $5,999

Samsung - 75" Class - (74.5" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV with High Dynamic Range - Black Model: UN75KS9000FXZA Best Buy Price: $5,999
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Ok guys I need advice. I have been on here searching and reading for a little over a week now and still can't decide which way I want to go.

I want a 75" tv for my new house. I am having trouble deciding if it is worth spending an extra $2,000 plus for the other higher end models. I do not buy tvs often so I will use this tv for a long time 5+ years at a minimum in fact the only reason I am buying this one is because we are gaining another room and our living room is bigger so I am upgrading my living room tv and shuffling the other tvs to other rooms. I like the idea of paying extra now to get more/better technology so 5+ years down the road my tv is still good on the other hand I wouldn't mind saving money buying the cheaper tv.
Please give details of your room layout.

1. Do you always sit directly in front of the TV, or do you view at significant off angles (more than 20 degrees to either side)? If you do sit directly in front, look at VA panel sets. If you sit off angle a lot, look at IPS panel sets.

2. Do you watch in a lighted room or totally dark room? If you like watching in the dark, you want a VA panel. If you watch in a lighted room, an IPS panel is OK.
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Please give details of your room layout.

1. Do you always sit directly in front of the TV, or do you view at significant off angles (more than 20 degrees to either side)? If you do sit directly in front, look at VA panel sets. If you sit off angle a lot, look at IPS panel sets.

2. Do you watch in a lighted room or totally dark room? If you like watching in the dark, you want a VA panel. If you watch in a lighted room, an IPS panel is OK.
1. I always sit directly in front of my tv, visitors and other family members will sit to the side probably 25 degrees at the most.

2. A combination, I prefer to watch in complete darkness but not possible at the house during the day.

I just went to best buy and looked at the TV's in person for the first time. They didn't have the XBR75X940D at this store since it isn't a Magnolia store but I did view the XBR75X850D and it was a far better picture than the other tv's i mentioned above (excluding the 2 higher end Samsungs which they didn't have in this store either).
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1. I always sit directly in front of my tv, visitors and other family members will sit to the side probably 25 degrees at the most.

2. A combination, I prefer to watch in complete darkness but not possible at the house during the day.

I just went to best buy and looked at the TV's in person for the first time. They didn't have the XBR75X940D at this store since it isn't a Magnolia store but I did view the XBR75X850D and it was a far better picture than the other tv's i mentioned above (excluding the 2 higher end Samsungs which they didn't have in this store either).
The XBR75X850D is an IPS panel set that will look good from in front and at those off angles. It does not have deep blacks so will not look best in a totally dark room and has average brightness and HDR. The XBR75X940D is a high-end bright VA panel set with FALD (600 backlit LEDs) and pretty good HDR. Both Sony's have excellent upscaling and excellent motion control with no judder from any 24p source. They are a couple of hundred dollars more than the pre Super Bowl pricing.
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The XBR75X850D is an IPS panel set that will look good from in front and at those off angles. It does not have deep blacks so will not look best in a totally dark room and has average brightness and HDR. The XBR75X940D is a high-end bright VA panel set with FALD (600 backlit LEDs) and pretty good HDR. Both Sony's have excellent upscaling and excellent motion control with no judder from any 24p source. They are a couple of hundred dollars more than the pre Super Bowl pricing.

The salesman at BB said the XBR75X940D should drop in price by the end of March so I am going wait and buy around the end of February then us the price matching policy once the price does drop hopefully within 45 days. Thank you for the advice.
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have the un65ku6290 sammy, and was wondering if this is the best tv for what I do. Was wondering if I should bump up to the un65ks8000, but I kinda prefer direct lit vs edge lit based on what I have read. I use it for cable tv, streaming movies, and some dvd and once in a while bluray. It has a pretty good picture, but I feel I may be missing out on a great picture. I have till tomorrow to swap it. Any suggestions> usually watch in a fairly lit room, not particularly bright from about 12 feet away, and straight on. Thanks
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have the un65ku6290 sammy, and was wondering if this is the best tv for what I do. Was wondering if I should bump up to the un65ks8000, but I kinda prefer direct lit vs edge lit based on what I have read. I use it for cable tv, streaming movies, and some dvd and once in a while bluray. It has a pretty good picture, but I feel I may be missing out on a great picture. I have till tomorrow to swap it. Any suggestions> usually watch in a fairly lit room, not particularly bright from about 12 feet away, and straight on. Thanks
In a fairly lit room, the KS8000 will blow you away. The picture is just incredibly crisp and vibrant. I would not recommend it as the TV for someone who watches movies in the dark majority of viewing. The edge lit flashlighting in dark scenes and lighting is real. I use mine mainly for sports and gaming in a fairly well lit room. It excels in that capacity. I'm coming from a Pioneer Kuro plasma and 720p sports broadcasts look so much better on the Samsung.
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In a fairly lit room, the KS8000 will blow you away. The picture is just incredibly crisp and vibrant. I would not recommend it as the TV for someone who watches movies in the dark majority of viewing. The edge lit flashlighting in dark scenes and lighting is real. I use mine mainly for sports and gaming in a fairly well lit room. It excels in that capacity. I'm coming from a Pioneer Kuro plasma and 720p sports broadcasts look so much better on the Samsung.
So what you're saying is the edge lights bleed noticeably in a dark room on dark scenes? Is it more tolerable than judder, and do you have judder with that tv?
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So what you're saying is the edge lights bleed noticeably in a dark room on dark scenes? Is it more tolerable than judder, and do you have judder with that tv?
No, I get very little edge bleed from this set. It's specifically flashlighting from the lower left corner (on normal viewing modes with backlight at 5-6) in the dark or from all corners on HDR content (backlight at 20). It's not constant, just when the LEDs are working in certain scenes. Bear in mind, this is only on dark content in an almost pitch black room.

Two good examples:

For nighttime viewing on movie mode--the opening pan scene in Star Wars: The Force Awakens when the Star Destroyer comes into view from the bottom left and moves toward the center of the screen. Flashlighting from the lower left corner is visible.

For HDR content--The Man in the High Castle on Amazon UHD. This entire series is a very darkly lit series. Many scenes are in the dark. The flashlighting at backlight 20 is visible often.

I would say for 80%+ of movie viewing you'll never notice the flashlighting. Even on HDR I only notice it on The Man in the High Castle.

For gaming, sports viewing, normal TV, it's never an issue. Just the nature of how an edge lit panel works. I also don't have any issues with judder or blur. I think the 8 series motion handling is every bit as good as the Vizio P series, not quite as good as the Sony 930.

The depth, contrast, color accuracy, and general "pop" is amazing on this TV. My friend has a Vizio P65-C1 and it's a great looking TV too, but even with his calibrated he remarks that my TV has more depth and color vibrancy. I wish the KS8500 was FALD, but I'm not going to pay double the price to move up to the KS9800.
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No, I get very little edge bleed from this set. It's specifically flashlighting from the lower left corner (on normal viewing modes with backlight at 5-6) in the dark or from all corners on HDR content (backlight at 20). It's not constant, just when the LEDs are working in certain scenes. Bear in mind, this is only on dark content in an almost pitch black room.

Two good examples:

For nighttime viewing on movie mode--the opening pan scene in Star Wars: The Force Awakens when the Star Destroyer comes into view from the bottom left and moves toward the center of the screen. Flashlighting from the lower left corner is visible.

For HDR content--The Man in the High Castle on Amazon UHD. This entire series is a very darkly lit series. Many scenes are in the dark. The flashlighting at backlight 20 is visible often.

I would say for 80%+ of movie viewing you'll never notice the flashlighting. Even on HDR I only notice it on The Man in the High Castle.

For gaming, sports viewing, normal TV, it's never an issue. Just the nature of how an edge lit panel works. I also don't have any issues with judder or blur. I think the 8 series motion handling is every bit as good as the Vizio P series, not quite as good as the Sony 930.

The depth, contrast, color accuracy, and general "pop" is amazing on this TV. My friend has a Vizio P65-C1 and it's a great looking TV too, but even with his calibrated he remarks that my TV has more depth and color vibrancy. I wish the KS8500 was FALD, but I'm not going to pay double the price to move up to the KS9800.
Thanks for the response. That is wonderful info. One final thing...you're telling me you feel the ks8000 is superior to the ku6290 and is worth twice the price to you?
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Thanks for the response. That is wonderful info. One final thing...you're telling me you feel the ks8000 is superior to the ku6290 and is worth twice the price to you?
Fwiw, I had purchased a 55" 6300 a month or so back for my mom, then the 8000 price drop happened so I swapped them out.
The 8000 is in another league compared to the 6300(6290 in your case). Build quality/picture/sound(she uses tv speakers yuck) no comparison.

TLDR; Go with the 8000, it blows the 6290 out the water

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Fwiw, I had purchased a 55" 6300 a month or so back for my mom, then the 8000 price drop happened so I swapped them out.
The 8000 is in another league compared to the 6300(6290 in your case). Build quality/picture/sound(she uses tv speakers yuck) no comparison.

TLDR; Go with the 8000, it blows the 6290 out the water

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thanks for the recommendation
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I'd go with that recommendation then. I have no personal experience comparing the KS8500/8000 to KU6300/6290.
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I've seen many other reviews here from people that have seen and owned both the 6290/6300 and the 8000 and for the most part, they do say that the 8000 is a bit better but not worth the price difference unless one is viewing HDR content. Guess it's all about how sensitive you are to "the point of diminishing returns".
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Hey guys - looking for some advice as I'm upgrading my now-ancient Mits RPTV.

Here is what I'm looking for and intended use:
  • 65"
  • Under $2K
  • Will be wall-mounted
  • Uses will be Blu-ray movies, some streaming, and cable HDTV. Accurate video reproduction is a priority. Never sports, no serious games.
  • Don't care about "smart tv" features

Some additional considerations at play:
  • Viewing distance is about 12 feet, and basically centered.
  • I don't have the ability to make the room dark during the day, and there is significant daylight that comes in through 3 French doors.
  • In the next 6-12 months, I play to supplement this set with a front projection system to use for serious evening viewing, so long-term, this set will mainly be used during the day.

A drawing of the layout is attached, which is more-or-less to scale.

My two top contenders are the Sammy KS8000 and the Vizio P65, leaning toward the Sammy because it seems to have better daylight performance, and we're not really watching off-axis (and, to a lesser degree, general aesthetics and a slimmer profile for when I eventually have a drop-down projector screen in front). Or is my thinking wrong here? Any other contenders I should be considering?

Many thanks for any advice!
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Hey guys - looking for some advice as I'm upgrading my now-ancient Mits RPTV.

Here is what I'm looking for and intended use:
  • 65"
  • Under $2K
  • Will be wall-mounted
  • Uses will be Blu-ray movies, some streaming, and cable HDTV. Accurate video reproduction is a priority. Never sports, no serious games.
  • Don't care about "smart tv" features

Some additional considerations at play:
  • Viewing distance is about 12 feet, and basically centered.
  • I don't have the ability to make the room dark during the day, and there is significant daylight that comes in through 3 French doors.
  • In the next 6-12 months, I play to supplement this set with a front projection system to use for serious evening viewing, so long-term, this set will mainly be used during the day.

A drawing of the layout is attached, which is more-or-less to scale.

My two top contenders are the Sammy KS8000 and the Vizio P65, leaning toward the Sammy because it seems to have better daylight performance, and we're not really watching off-axis (and, to a lesser degree, general aesthetics and a slimmer profile for when I eventually have a drop-down projector screen in front). Or is my thinking wrong here? Any other contenders I should be considering?

Many thanks for any advice!
Actually, in total screen brightness, the Samsung KS8000 and Vizio P are pretty much equal. The Samsung has much higher peak brightness for HDR, but since it is edge lit vs. FALD for the Vizio, HDR is just about as good on the Vizio. For your intended usage though, the Samsung has better upscaling for cable TV viewing so that makes it your best choice. It is also better at handling reflections from windows like you have in your room. Contrary to conventional thinking, the Vizio's semi-gloss screen makes reflections from the windows a little worse.
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For your intended usage though, the Samsung has better upscaling for cable TV viewing so that makes it your best choice. It is also better at handling reflections from windows like you have in your room. Contrary to conventional thinking, the Vizio's semi-gloss screen makes reflections from the windows a little worse.
Thanks! That's what I was thinking, but it's been so long since I've shopped for a TV that I was amazed at how far out of the loop I was on current tech.
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I didnt get anything yet. I was set on Vizio P65, and now (from owners forum) it sounds like this TV has turned into a pile of **** (fald not working, netflix not working, roku not working). At BB today the KS8000 and the P50 were on the lighted floor area. Both have their +/-. I could easily see flashlighing from the Samsung and pitch dark from P50....but with vizio hosing updates....what do you pick?
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I've been looking for a 120hz 75" TV and noticed a decent deal at Costco for the Samsung un75ju641d.

From what I'm reading, it looks like a 120hz display and not a 60hz. Unfortunately they did not really have any decent demo content playing, so I can't tell if I would be disappointed with this fake 120hz display.

Side by side, I've been able to tell the difference between 60 vs 120, so I know my next TV will be a 120hz.

Am I taking too much of a chance on this Samsung that has 120hz CMR? It does have great reviews all over the place, but I know I want a 120hz picture. I also don't want to deal with buying/returning it.
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I've been looking for a 120hz 75" TV and noticed a decent deal at Costco for the Samsung un75ju641d.

From what I'm reading, it looks like a 120hz display and not a 60hz. Unfortunately they did not really have any decent demo content playing, so I can't tell if I would be disappointed with this fake 120hz display.

Side by side, I've been able to tell the difference between 60 vs 120, so I know my next TV will be a 120hz.

Am I taking too much of a chance on this Samsung that has 120hz CMR? It does have great reviews all over the place, but I know I want a 120hz picture. I also don't want to deal with buying/returning it.
It is a 60 Hz VA panel set, a variant of the 2015 model UN75JU6400 which according to Rtings, performs similar to the UN75JU6500. Typical for low-end Samsung 60 Hz panels, it has judder with all 24p sources including Blu Ray.
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It is a 60 Hz VA panel set, a variant of the 2015 model UN75JU6400 which according to Rtings, performs similar to the UN75JU6500. Typical for low-end Samsung 60 Hz panels, it has judder with all 24p sources including Blu Ray.
- Thanks for the info, I'll be holding off for another deal.
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I didnt get anything yet. I was set on Vizio P65, and now (from owners forum) it sounds like this TV has turned into a pile of **** (fald not working, netflix not working, roku not working). At BB today the KS8000 and the P50 were on the lighted floor area. Both have their +/-. I could easily see flashlighing from the Samsung and pitch dark from P50....but with vizio hosing updates....what do you pick?
In this price range its hard to get that perfect tv. Im happy with my KS8000 but I dont have any issues that some have, no light bleed along bottom and no flash lighting. I do wish it had better local dimming. The blacks a very good on the samsung. My room gets pretty bright so I went with the brighter tv and better for reflections. The FALD in the vizio is nice. I personally would go with the 930D as it is now almost same price as the KS. It is still edge lit but a little better local dimming and gets as bright as the KS.
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