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Game mode bypasses some of the video processing, so yes the PQ is affected somewhat. But its only for playing a video game, you don't use that mode for watching TV or movies.



Vizio M and P models perform very well in their respective price classes. So, yes quality in terms of performance. As to whether Vizios are of high build quality, that's not something I'd be willing to say.
Thank you for the reply. Gaming is the primary function of this TV, so top notch PQ for gaming is my highest priority along with input lag.
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Ok, tell me a little about this game mode. Does it completely kill the beautiful picture quality that I want? I mean, it must be dropping features in order to get the input lag down so much. What actually happens in game mode?

And let me get this straight.....Vizio is now considered to be a high quality TV? When did this happen?
Vizio M/P seem to be fairly highly regarded around here. They've come a long way. Vizio M70 was a perfect set to carry me from 2015 when I moved back to the states until a deal recently came along on a sony 940e. Now it goes to bedroom duty replacing an old 1080p Tosh!
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Thank you for the reply. Gaming is the primary function of this TV, so top notch PQ for gaming is my highest priority along with input lag.
But all TVs use a game mode to decrease input lag.
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But all TVs use a game mode to decrease input lag.
Dude, I'm so far behind with this stuff. I bought my current TV over 9 years ago! LN52A650A. LOL. I'm sure just about anything I buy will be a huge improvement.
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Dude, I'm so far behind with this stuff. I bought my current TV over 9 years ago! LN52A650A. LOL. I'm sure just about anything I buy will be a huge improvement.
If you're planning to go 9 years with your next one, maybe try to stretch that $1,500 budget a bit. PlanetAVS’ recommendations were spot on in your price range, at least with some BF sales dropping prices a tad. For a 9-year cycle, the Sony XBR65X930E might be a better choice since it has really good HDR and will also support DV, plus it is a good gaming TV with input lag down around 25 ms in the gaming modes. I know it’s way over your budget at $2,500 now but maybe you’ll be able to get the price closer to $2,000 for BF. If you don't want to go that high, look at the Sony XBR65X900E which only a few hundred over your budget and it the best all-around TV in its price range IMO.
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So I’m in debate on purchasing the tcl p605 from bestbuy or the vizio 65m from Costco. My couch is 10 feet from the tv, which cannot be changed. I was hoping for the tcl 65in to come out but that’s not gonna happen. The only reason I was still considering purchasing the tcl p605 is that my wife knows how to use the roku interface and watches a lot of ota content even though it’s probably too small for the room. The tcl will still be a great improvement over my current 2009 42 in Black Friday Emerson (Samsung) 720p plasma. I only plan on hooking up an Apple TV 4k an Xbox one s, both future purchases, Logitech Harmony and my onkyo 646 which won’t pass through Dolby Vision. I can manage the Apple TV Dolby Vision with the vizio by selecting 30hz out and using one of the hdmi 1.4 ports. I guess my biggest concern is how much of a pain in the rear is using the vizio m for ota and streaming over the super simple roku os.


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If you're planning to go 9 years with your next one, maybe try to stretch that $1,500 budget a bit. PlanetAVS’ recommendations were spot on in your price range, at least with some BF sales dropping prices a tad. For a 9-year cycle, the Sony XBR65X930E might be a better choice since it has really good HDR and will also support DV, plus it is a good gaming TV with input lag down around 25 ms in the gaming modes. I know it’s way over your budget at $2,500 now but maybe you’ll be able to get the price closer to $2,000 for BF. If you don't want to go that high, look at the Sony XBR65X900E which only a few hundred over your budget and it the best all-around TV in its price range IMO.
Thanks. Yeah, simply put, my current set just keeps on working. It was a higher end model when I bought it and until now with 4K and Hdr there's been no reason to replace it. I too keep wondering if I should just buy a cheaper set and upgrade more frequently. I don't know. Hard to choose. I do know that is I keep waiting for the next big thing to come I'll never buy a TV. Haha.

I plan to purchase in early February (unless a deal comes up I simply can't pass up) but I just wanted to start doing my research early as I finally had time to sit down today and try and learn a few things. I guess I will wait to see if there are any major improvements for gaming at CES.
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Dang, I totally forgot to say I was looking to get into the 65" size, which totally screws up all your recommendations above. Lol, sorry to waste your time.
My recommendations were based on the 65 size, which you did mention in your first post. Check the LG OLED deals thread, we can't talk specific deals in this forum

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Thanks. Yeah, simply put, my current set just keeps on working. It was a higher end model when I bought it and until now with 4K and Hdr there's been no reason to replace it. I too keep wondering if I should just buy a cheaper set and upgrade more frequently. I don't know. Hard to choose. I do know that is I keep waiting for the next big thing to come I'll never buy a TV. Haha.

I plan to purchase in early February (unless a deal comes up I simply can't pass up) but I just wanted to start doing my research early as I finally had time to sit down today and try and learn a few things. I guess I will wait to see if there are any major improvements for gaming at CES.
As already mentioned, game mode turns off most if not all video processing which improves lag. There are different ways to approach it, some people connect their gaming device directly to the panel and have designated settings for gaming and then reserve the other inputs for entertainment use. Or you can connect them all to the same input and then switch modes manually. Check the LG owners thread for recommended settings.

You can always wait for next year's technology but the pricing on that won't come down until later in 2018. There are already a lot of great deals to be had, and they could get better on Black Friday.
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Yes, that is a possibility. If it's an issue I'd rather not risk it - no fun to find out the hard way and have a ruined TV.

If that weren't an issue, I'd go back to my question about a recommendation - to which only the Sony 930E was recommended. Since I keep reading 'LED is on the way out, OLED is the best'.
If you're going to dismiss OLED, I would also recommend the Sony 930E. Since you put a priority on brightness and the room you have is bright, it would be a good choice for you and is in your price range.
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So I’m in debate on purchasing the tcl p605 from bestbuy or the vizio 65m from Costco. My couch is 10 feet from the tv, which cannot be changed. I was hoping for the tcl 65in to come out but that’s not gonna happen. The only reason I was still considering purchasing the tcl p605 is that my wife knows how to use the roku interface and watches a lot of ota content even though it’s probably too small for the room. The tcl will still be a great improvement over my current 2009 42 in Black Friday Emerson (Samsung) 720p plasma. I only plan on hooking up an Apple TV 4k an Xbox one s, both future purchases, Logitech Harmony and my onkyo 646 which won’t pass through Dolby Vision. I can manage the Apple TV Dolby Vision with the vizio by selecting 30hz out and using one of the hdmi 1.4 ports. I guess my biggest concern is how much of a pain in the rear is using the vizio m for ota and streaming over the super simple roku os.


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Both would be great choices. I'm considering the two options as well, as a secondary bedroom TV to my OLED.

Given your viewing distance and since this is your primary TV, I'd go with the larger Vizio M65. External OTA tuners are relatively inexpensive, and you can also plug in a cheap 4K Roku device for the wife. The Vizio doesn't get the same performance review as the TCL, but the size difference would make up for it.
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So I've had my Panasonic G25 42" in my room since 2010 and have been wanting to upgrade for a while. I definitely want a TV that's 55" or under and ideally would like to spend $1000 or less. Based on what I've read, it seems like the TCL P55 and Vizio P55 offer the most bang for your buck. However, I've heard that the 55" version of the Vizio P series isn't quite as good as the 65" version. How comparable is the Vizio M55 to those two models? I'd be using it to watch movies and TV shows as well as gaming on a PS4 Pro, Nintendo Switch and a Raspberry Pi 3.


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Thanks, Dave have contacted them but they are limited with what they carry. I am looking for a company that carries TCL and Vizio. Any suggestions or is there a shipping forum here. I've tried searching but i am not mastering the search function on this site very well.
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So I've had my Panasonic G25 42" in my room since 2010 and have been wanting to upgrade for a while. I definitely want a TV that's 55" or under and ideally would like to spend $1000 or less. Based on what I've read, it seems like the TCL P55 and Vizio P55 offer the most bang for your buck. However, I've heard that the 55" version of the Vizio P series isn't quite as good as the 65" version. How comparable is the Vizio M55 to those two models? I'd be using it to watch movies and TV shows as well as gaming on a PS4 Pro, Nintendo Switch and a Raspberry Pi 3.


Thanks!
Recommend you stay away from the P55 as you've heard. It has an IPS panel which will give it better off angle viewing but poorer black performance vs the rest of the P series. The M55 will be inferior to both the P series and the TCL. The TCL 55 would be the route to go, either P605 at Best Buy or P607 elsewhere. The TCL is a great tv for gaming as well, with one of the lowest input lags available in TVs.
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1) TCL P605 at Best Buy. Slightly over your ideal $500 price, but it gives you the larger 55 in and is a great fit at the price for all your uses (streaming, OTA, gaming). Has both HDR formats for future proof. Great reviews. The P605 is the same TV as the P607 except it is only available at Best Buy and it doesn't have the headphone jack in the remote.

2) TCL 55C803 at Costco if you have access to Costco. Same as the P605 except it doesn't have the FALD display but is under your budget. Blacks won't be as good as the P605

3) Philips 6000 50 inch at Costco - well under your budget, is in your target screen size range and has Dolby Vision and HDR10 support. Caveat is that there isn't much info out there, but you wouldn't be gambling much $ wise.
Thank you for the suggestion. I really didn't want a 55" TV, but this hits on so many points for ~$50 more it's hard not to want it. I did check one out at Best Buy and it looked good, at least what I could tell from what they had displayed. Also saw an MU7000; I suspect someone had messed with the settings as it was overly vivid and the colors looked distorted. Anyways thank you again, you've given me something to think about.
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Thanks, Dave have contacted them but they are limited with what they carry. I am looking for a company that carries TCL and Vizio. Any suggestions or is there a shipping forum here. I've tried searching but i am not mastering the search function on this site very well.
Did you try purchasing directly from Vizio? All TVs are sold with free shipping and their shipping policy only lists the following exclusions:

"VIZIO will not ship to PO Box or APO/FPO addresses, Guam, Puerto Rico, or the U.S. Virgin Islands."

So it would appear they would ship to you in Kauai Hawaii.
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If you're going to dismiss OLED, I would also recommend the Sony 930E. Since you put a priority on brightness and the room you have is bright, it would be a good choice for you and is in your price range.
Ya, I'm only dismissing it because of the burn-in - it's in spite of the people who rave about PQ. At night the room id dark enough - I haven't been enough of a purist to turn off the one light in the room. Picture quality probably comes first, but that's subjective - different elements to it - and some nice sets I look at don't look good - e.g., sort of a too-shiny brightness - and others look great.

It's hard to split hairs discussing this that I love bright vivid colors but not 'overly' bright colors. There are a lot of little issues - like upscaling quality - that I just hope for people making recommendations to take into account. So the 930E is sounding nice - I just need to go find out what the difference is with the 940E is so I can feel good about not getting it as I'd rather not spend more
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Perhaps I misremembered.

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Hi.

Tomorrow ill be buying a new tv and the recommendations from the local tech store are:

- LG 55 UJ 670 V
- LG 55 UJ 6517
- SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6272 UXXH
- SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6172 UXXH
- SAMSUNG UE 55 KU 6072 UXXH
- SONY KD 55 XD 7005 BAEP
- SONY KD 55 XE 7005 BAEP

The quality of the display(picture) & sound are priority, it will be used for watching from a normal angle.

Whats the 1st, 2nd, 3rd best? Would love some info & advice. Thanks!
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Hi.

Tomorrow ill be buying a new tv and the recommendations from the local tech store are:

- LG 55 UJ 670 V
- LG 55 UJ 6517
- SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6272 UXXH
- SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6172 UXXH
- SAMSUNG UE 55 KU 6072 UXXH
- SONY KD 55 XD 7005 BAEP
- SONY KD 55 XE 7005 BAEP

The quality of the display(picture) & sound are priority, it will be used for watching from a normal angle.

Whats the 1st, 2nd, 3rd best? Would love some info & advice. Thanks!
The LGs and Sonys on your list all have IPS panels with low contrast ratios, and since you are viewing from in front, you don't want those. The Samsung "KU" model is a leftover low-end model from 2016, so eliminate that one. Of your choices, the MU6272, which is similar to the US MU6300, is the best with a high contrast VA panel and reasonable sound quality. For your 1, 2, 3 order:

  1. SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6272 UXXH
  2. SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6172 UXXH
  3. SAMSUNG UE 55 KU 6072 UXXH
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The LGs and Sonys on your list all have IPS panels with low contrast ratios, and since you are viewing from in front, you don't want those. The Samsung "KU" model is a leftover low-end model from 2016, so eliminate that one. Of your choices, the MU6272, which is similar to the US MU6300, is the best with a high contrast VA panel and reasonable sound quality. For your 1, 2, 3 order:

  1. SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6272 UXXH
  2. SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6172 UXXH
  3. SAMSUNG UE 55 KU 6072 UXXH
I get it, i need VA panel for better contrast. Thanks a lot sir.

The guy just sent me one more proposal in the same price range:

- SONY BRAVIA KD55XE7005BAEP 4K HDR

The Samsung 6272 still better?
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I get it, i need VA panel for better contrast. Thanks a lot sir.

The guy just sent me one more proposal in the same price range:

- SONY BRAVIA KD55XE7005BAEP 4K HDR

The Samsung 6272 still better?
Also option for a bit more $

SAMSUNG UE 55 МU6402UXXH.
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Well that’s easy. 940e. Brighter, more zones, better upscaling, looks nicer, better motion, lower input lag. 940e will have Dolby Vision soon. The vizio is cheaper though.


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I have been tasked with the job of replacing a Sony 40 inch flat screen in a local ELKS club bar. Canned CFL lighting in the room that is bright enough to read a book by. SPORTS are on the whole time the bar is open, with every thing from baseball, to football, to NASCAR, to ESPN. Sound quality is not too important as it is usually muted. Perfect picture for movie viewing is not important. What is import is a lag free, bright picture. We have room for a 55 inch so that is already decided. Out price range is $500-650. We have charter cable (digital). I have been thinking of 4K UHD HDR10 not that we have any of that available now, but might in the future. A BRIGHT picture with NO LAG is the most important thing. That and the ability for it to hang on the wall and deliver a good picture for 5 years without needed any service. Smart TV is not needed but I am sure it will come with it. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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Ya, I'm only dismissing it because of the burn-in - it's in spite of the people who rave about PQ. At night the room id dark enough - I haven't been enough of a purist to turn off the one light in the room. Picture quality probably comes first, but that's subjective - different elements to it - and some nice sets I look at don't look good - e.g., sort of a too-shiny brightness - and others look great.

It's hard to split hairs discussing this that I love bright vivid colors but not 'overly' bright colors. There are a lot of little issues - like upscaling quality - that I just hope for people making recommendations to take into account. So the 930E is sounding nice - I just need to go find out what the difference is with the 940E is so I can feel good about not getting it as I'd rather not spend more
65 930E is the way to go for you. The 940 will give you the added screen space and poorer motion handling for $2000 more. All of the TVs we discussed are excellent for upscaling
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Well that’s easy. 940e. Brighter, more zones, better upscaling, looks nicer, better motion, lower input lag. 940e will have Dolby Vision soon. The vizio is cheaper though.


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+1. The Vizio is a lot less expensive at $3500 list vs $4500 for the Sony 940E. Both are great TVs and would be the top two choices for 75".
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I have been tasked with the job of replacing a Sony 40 inch flat screen in a local ELKS club bar. Canned CFL lighting in the room that is bright enough to read a book by. SPORTS are on the whole time the bar is open, with every thing from baseball, to football, to NASCAR, to ESPN. Sound quality is not too important as it is usually muted. Perfect picture for movie viewing is not important. What is import is a lag free, bright picture. We have room for a 55 inch so that is already decided. Out price range is $500-650. We have charter cable (digital). I have been thinking of 4K UHD HDR10 not that we have any of that available now, but might in the future. A BRIGHT picture with NO LAG is the most important thing. That and the ability for it to hang on the wall and deliver a good picture for 5 years without needed any service. Smart TV is not needed but I am sure it will come with it. Any ideas would be appreciated.
For sports and wide angle viewing in your size and price range, I'd go with the Sony 55X720e. Its slightly above your price range but you may be able to find it on sale. You'll need an IPS panel for the wide viewing for everyone in the bar and the Sony is a good fit for that. And the Sony name should give you the reliability you are looking for.

Other TVs to consider are the LG series UJ7700 and the TCL P605
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For sports and wide angle viewing in your size and price range, I'd go with the Sony 55X720e. Its slightly above your price range but you may be able to find it on sale. You'll need an IPS panel for the wide viewing for everyone in the bar and the Sony is a good fit for that. And the Sony name should give you the reliability you are looking for.

Other TVs to consider are the LG series UJ7700 and the TCL P605
I will look at that one. LG is out of the question. We had two of them and both died within a month. LG finally made good, but it took a long while. Most likely that is a chance with any company. TCL is getting a lot of good press lately, but....... IPS panel has to be the way to go. For big games people will be watching from 20 feet or so and at least 15 feet off axis.
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I will look at that one. LG is out of the question. We had two of them and both died within a month. LG finally made good, but it took a long while. Most likely that is a chance with any company. TCL is getting a lot of good press lately, but....... IPS panel has to be the way to go. For big games people will be watching from 20 feet or so and at least 15 feet off axis.
The TCL will be much brighter and offer a much better overall picture but it probably won't be as good for wide angle viewing. And long term reliability is unknown as they are relatively new to the scene.

Also to add, the Sony will upscale your Charter cable content well.

Check out the Rtngs rankings for sports viewing here:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-usage/sports

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I was originally looking to get an lg oled, but after reading about the burn in, Im stuck choosing between a Vizio p65 (if I can ever find one) or a Sony x930e. My only real concern with the sony is that dolby vision has been promised through an update for a long time now but from what I gather its never actually been implemented. Any opinions on these issues or if theres another set I should be considering? TV will be used for gaming and movies obviously.
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