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post #12541 of 15168 Old 05-03-2018, 09:44 AM
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If you are in the market for a 75" RUN to Costco to see if they still any 2017 VIZIO M75-E1 left in stock! It's EASILY the best bang for the buck on a 75" you'll see until at least Black Friday 2019. I was holding out for OLED, but I just couldn't resist the lovely M75 for just $1500 at Costco!

The reason it's such a remarkable deal on a 75" with Dolby Vision & FALD is TCL won't introduce a new 75" until 2019 & VIZIO's 2018 model line eliminated the 75" version of the M series! (I presume the rave reviews it received siphoned sales away from their P series, costing VIZIO profits in the minds of their bean counters.) So if you're in the market for a superb 75" with Dolby Vision & FALD, you're not likely to see one for $1500 again until at least 2019 when a TCL 75" arrives & goes on sale or the $2500 '18 VIZIO P-series goes on a similar deep discount.

Call all your local Costcos because VIZIO's 2018s models have arrived & the M75-E1 is no longer listed on their website. The one near me in tax-free Delaware didn't have any, but the Concordville, PA warehouse had 3, now 2, including the display model. Good luck!
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Thanks. The new TCL looks interesting. How do you expect the upconverting will be from Comcast (720p ?) compared to the Sony/Samsung. I had been a little concerned about this on the TCL TVs.
I wouldn't expect it to be on the same level as the Sony and Samsungs for upscaling. Every TV is going to have its drawbacks, especially at the 43 inch screen size. IPS (weaker blacks) vs upscaling.
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Thanks. The new TCL looks interesting. How do you expect the upconverting will be from Comcast (720p ?) compared to the Sony/Samsung. I had been a little concerned about this on the TCL TVs.
We are very happy with the 43R517 so far. It arrived on Sunday from Amazon.

Can't speak to Comcast performance though. So far we have only watched content via the TV's built-in apps (live TV via YouTubeTV, Shameless on Netflix, and the Dolby channel demo videos). Very pleased with the PQ from those sources.
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My 2013 70" Sony KDL is being replaced under warranty, and I have a choice between Sony kd70x690e and the Samsung un75mu6300. The specs look pretty similar for both but I get 5" more with the Samsung. The smart remote for it also looks kinda cool. Anyone have thoughts one way or the other on which set would be better?
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Hello,

I need some guidance on replacing an old TV. I'm having trouble finding a reference point to compare all the new sets to my old Samsung. Its 8 years old and been running every day for 8-15 hours a day depending on when everyone is home. Its a tank but now its starting to show its age and our living room is bright in our new home, the sun sets in the windows facing the TV. Another issue is our Sony 7.2 4k receiver and the TV do not get along with their HDMI handshake or whatever so we have to use HDMI input 2 with less feature control.

I have no idea how bright my current set is and whether or not it is worth the upgrade with some TVs. It has a great viewing angle, awesome blacks, not too great on reflections, motion control seems to be slowly dying and there are artifacts in fast moving scenes and scenes with the same color. We just started streaming a bunch and its terrible at up-scaling to 1080p.

Honestly, buying a 400 dollar cheap TV would probably be an upgrade.

Quick Facts

Current TV: Samsung UN55C6500
Max Budget : $2800
New TV needs:

  • 65 inch
  • Good Viewing Angle, real life not like reviews where they say its super narrow, we're not too picky.
  • Handle Reflections
  • Great Up-scaling of all formats from streaming
  • Audio not an issue, everything goes through receiver
  • Needs to be bright, we strain with our old TV
  • HDR Gaming
  • 4K/1080/720/480 Movies and Streaming
  • Will run 8-12 hours a day
  • News/Sports/TV Shows/General Use/Kids Animation

Its hard to compare specs with what I see in stores when I can't even find the brightness of my current TV. We are leaning heavily to the FALD Q8FN but also liked the Sony's, they just didn't look as good as the Samsung. I was torn between the B7A and 930 before because they were both cheaper but we want this to last 5+ years. We also liked the LG B7A (we're scared of running this into the ground) and the Sony 930E. I almost bought the 930E yesterday but saw the Q8.

None of the other TVs really gave us a wow factor so now we're exploring options. Plus, last time we purchased we could have saved hundreds of dollars by going with the 6300 instead of our 6500. Double checking this time.
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My 2013 70" Sony KDL is being replaced under warranty, and I have a choice between Sony kd70x690e and the Samsung un75mu6300. The specs look pretty similar for both but I get 5" more with the Samsung. The smart remote for it also looks kinda cool. Anyone have thoughts one way or the other on which set would be better?
They seem to be neck and neck according to the Rtngs comparison. Seems like a no brainer to go for the larger screen.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...omparison_1920
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Hello,

I need some guidance on replacing an old TV. I'm having trouble finding a reference point to compare all the new sets to my old Samsung. Its 8 years old and been running every day for 8-15 hours a day depending on when everyone is home. Its a tank but now its starting to show its age and our living room is bright in our new home, the sun sets in the windows facing the TV. Another issue is our Sony 7.2 4k receiver and the TV do not get along with their HDMI handshake or whatever so we have to use HDMI input 2 with less feature control.

I have no idea how bright my current set is and whether or not it is worth the upgrade with some TVs. It has a great viewing angle, awesome blacks, not too great on reflections, motion control seems to be slowly dying and there are artifacts in fast moving scenes and scenes with the same color. We just started streaming a bunch and its terrible at up-scaling to 1080p.

Honestly, buying a 400 dollar cheap TV would probably be an upgrade.

Quick Facts

Current TV: Samsung UN55C6500
Max Budget : $2800
New TV needs:

  • 65 inch
  • Good Viewing Angle, real life not like reviews where they say its super narrow, we're not too picky.
  • Handle Reflections
  • Great Up-scaling of all formats from streaming
  • Audio not an issue, everything goes through receiver
  • Needs to be bright, we strain with our old TV
  • HDR Gaming
  • 4K/1080/720/480 Movies and Streaming
  • Will run 8-12 hours a day
  • News/Sports/TV Shows/General Use/Kids Animation

Its hard to compare specs with what I see in stores when I can't even find the brightness of my current TV. We are leaning heavily to the FALD Q8FN but also liked the Sony's, they just didn't look as good as the Samsung. I was torn between the B7A and 930 before because they were both cheaper but we want this to last 5+ years. We also liked the LG B7A (we're scared of running this into the ground) and the Sony 930E. I almost bought the 930E yesterday but saw the Q8.

None of the other TVs really gave us a wow factor so now we're exploring options. Plus, last time we purchased we could have saved hundreds of dollars by going with the 6300 instead of our 6500. Double checking this time.
You have a lot of great options with that budget. The LG C8 would give you great black levels and the best viewing angle and can be had at Greentoe within your budget. The C8 is brighter this year, and has some anti burn in features although it would still be a risk. If burn in is still a concern for you the Q8FN and the Sony 900F would also be excellent options although there would be some compromise on viewing angles. Sony 930E and the upcoming Vizio P Quantum would also be good options.
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Has this been discussed about the new 2018 LG OLEDs yet?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/lg-ole...s-controversy/
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Has this been discussed about the new 2018 LG OLEDs yet?
I was concerned about this as well, I didn't want the kodi menu burned into the screen or my wife will probably burn in an ID image into the lower right hand portion of the screen. I was concerned because how would an OLED look with the sun setting and shining right into the thing plus I have no idea how bright my Samsung UN55C6500 is so I can't really compare the brightness tests with my TV in our bright living room, we have a bay window and 3 other windows.
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You have a lot of great options with that budget. The LG C8 would give you great black levels and the best viewing angle and can be had at Greentoe within your budget. The C8 is brighter this year, and has some anti burn in features although it would still be a risk. If burn in is still a concern for you the Q8FN and the Sony 900F would also be excellent options although there would be some compromise on viewing angles. Sony 930E and the upcoming Vizio P Quantum would also be good options.
Thank you, yeah we were def considering the 930E since its so cheap right now. I should've jumped on the AAFES B7A 65 inch deal for 1800 when it was going on but they're gone now. I was just wondering how much brighter all of these were compared to my UN55C6500. If the LG OLED's are brighter they may be an option. We also looked at the Sony OLEDs but found they were too dark in areas and you couldn't see everything, but that could be the store. They always seem to tweak the TVs they want to sell rather than the ones I'm looking at.
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Hi there!

Looking to get a 65" 4K HDR set with HDR10 & Dolby Vision. This limits my options.

Since I spend most of my leisure media consumption time in front of my PC rather than a TV, I'm looking for something reasonably price (read... I'm cheap). I'll use it primarily for watching films (stream via Plex) and streaming from Youtube or Apple Music.

My top options are the Vizion M and P series since TCL isn't available in Canada.

The below options are what I've found-
Vizio P65-C1 (2016) for $900 CAD + 150 CAD for 2 yr extended warranty.
Vizio M65-E1 (2017) for $1200 (will likely need a hdmi 2.0 switch for $75 as there's only 1 HDMI 2.0 port)

Am I making any major sacrifices in terms of feature-set vs. the new Vizio 2018 sets? What am I giving up by going with the 2016 p65? As far as I can tell, not much.
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Thank you, yeah we were def considering the 930E since its so cheap right now. I should've jumped on the AAFES B7A 65 inch deal for 1800 when it was going on but they're gone now. I was just wondering how much brighter all of these were compared to my UN55C6500. If the LG OLED's are brighter they may be an option. We also looked at the Sony OLEDs but found they were too dark in areas and you couldn't see everything, but that could be the store. They always seem to tweak the TVs they want to sell rather than the ones I'm looking at.
Check AAFES online before giving up on availability. I was able to order my Sony last month after the local stores said no more available.
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Check AAFES online before giving up on availability. I was able to order my Sony last month after the local stores said no more available.
I did, I couldn't find it, maybe for the best we would probably burn an Investigation Discovery image in or game screen. I ordered the Q8FN 65inch from best buy, they price matched and I get extra warranty and 30 day price protection. Now I have to wait 4 days.....
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Hey guys, moving to a new apartment in a few months (August or September) and would like to get a newer TV before or around the time I move. Currently have a 46” Samsung that’s 4-5 years old. My only caveat is that I need to buy from Costco. I have a little more than $1300 worth of credit there that I would like to use, which unfortunately eliminates any Sony TVs (which I have read are quite good).

1. Budget ~$2000 including $1300 credit at Costco
2. Seating distance 8-10ft.
3. Was looking at 55-65”, not sure how big of a difference it would make to have a bigger tv over one with a better picture quality
4. Usage: 25% gaming, 35% movies, 40% tv (mostly sports)
5. Bright room but will watch a majority of tv with shades down at night

Seems like my best option is a 55” B7?
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Sony 55/900F or 55/930e?

I had planned on 930. But the BB Sony guy I am working with says, after watching demos, he thinks the 900F has the better picture.

Rtings says the pictures are comparable but the 930 has the better build and brighter picture.
Also says the 930 has the better sound.
Dealer says both need sound bar. But I might be able to hold off getting sound bar with the 930. Or maybe not.

I watch mainly premium channel movies and news on Dish in a room that is bright during the day.
Plan to get into streaming for the better picture.

As I write, the new 900F and the closed out 930e are priced the same, at $1,499.

I want whichever offers best picture and reliability.
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They seem to be neck and neck according to the Rtngs comparison. Seems like a no brainer to go for the larger screen.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...omparison_1920
Thanks, my thoughts exactly. I ordered the Samsung 75", can't wait to enter 4K land. I also saw in your link a few things I didn't notice before about the Samsung, like a Remote App and other Apps selection on the TV. Not a fan of the no opt-out of advertising for the smart features, but I would be using my Roku or Xbox One for streaming anyway.
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My question is kind of different. My brother is wanting to purchase a Hisense 65R6D from Sam's Club for $578. I have tried to convince my brother to go with either a 65" TCL 6-series or Vizio M-series TV, but his wife doesn't want to spend the extra money. I feel like they're making a mistake by going with the Hisense. Is the Hisense any good? Are there better alternatives for the same price?
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Sony 55/900F or 55/930e?

I had planned on 930. But the BB Sony guy I am working with says, after watching demos, he thinks the 900F has the better picture.

Rtings says the pictures are comparable but the 930 has the better build and brighter picture.
Also says the 930 has the better sound.
Dealer says both need sound bar. But I might be able to hold off getting sound bar with the 930. Or maybe not.

I watch mainly premium channel movies and news on Dish in a room that is bright during the day.
Plan to get into streaming for the better picture.

As I write, the new 900F and the closed out 930e are priced the same, at $1,499.

I want whichever offers best picture and reliability.
I'd get the 930e if that's the choice. If there were still 900e's available, then that would likely be a better bang/buck ratio. I know here in Canada, I was about to order a 900e from BB when I noticed they removed it from their web site. I then ordered from Costco and just after mine shipped, they disappeared from the Costco web site so not really any readily available I guess.

The 930 is better in most categories, but in an eyeball test they are probably about equal. rtings gives the 930 the edge in build quality, which may or may not be an indicator of longevity. I figure that last year's models are 25% off the price of this years models and there's no real significant difference so go with the best last years model you can get. It's what I did at least.
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My question is kind of different. My brother is wanting to purchase a Hisense 65R6D from Sam's Club for $578. I have tried to convince my brother to go with either a 65" TCL 6-series or Vizio M-series TV, but his wife doesn't want to spend the extra money. I feel like they're making a mistake by going with the Hisense. Is the Hisense any good? Are there better alternatives for the same price?
Hisense, like TCL, is owned by the Chinese government. Businesses run by governments are generally not run very well. So both Hisense and TCL manufacture cheap TVs with questionable quality control. Yes some of the better TCLs are FALD and seem to perform pretty well, but how long they will hold up is currently unknown. Hisense was sued by Sharp in 2017 for producing inferior quality TVs under the Sharp brand name under a license agreement. All that being said, $578 65" 4K TV is quite a bargain, and will likely be fine for watching cable/satellite TV. Will your brother or his wife be likely to watch 4K content, or HDR movies? Do either of them plan to play video games on this gargantuan TV? Before you go interfering in their marriage, you should be sure there's a reason to do so.
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Hisense, like TCL, is owned by the Chinese government. Businesses run by governments are generally not run very well. So both Hisense and TCL manufacture cheap TVs with questionable quality control. Yes some of the better TCLs are FALD and seem to perform pretty well, but how long they will hold up is currently unknown. Hisense was sued by Sharp in 2017 for producing inferior quality TVs under the Sharp brand name under a license agreement. All that being said, $578 65" 4K TV is quite a bargain, and will likely be fine for watching cable/satellite TV. Will your brother or his wife be likely to watch 4K content, or HDR movies? Do either of them plan to play video games on this gargantuan TV? Before you go interfering in their marriage, you should be sure there's a reason to do so.
He does play videogames (although I don't know if he'll be upgrading to the Xbox One X or not)They'll be watching 4K Netflix for sure since I upgraded my Netflix plan. "Interfering in their marriage" is a bit dramatic. I just don't want them to buy junk if they can get a much better television for a couple hundred more.
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Hi I need some advice/help on a new 75" TV and which models I should watch and keep an eye on the price.

Here are some details:
Current TV is 55" 1080p
Our seating area is 12-14ft from the TV
Very bright room - some off angle viewing is useful (guessing IPS would be better than VA)
Need finish with less reflections as there are lots of windows all around and behind the viewing area
We watch lots of streaming shows and OTA sports and news.
We currently use a Roku box and love it - so a Roku TV would be nice

75" is the size I have settled on as 65" doesn't seem big enough to get useful 4K viewing due to our larger room.

Here is what I am looking at:

2017 TCL Model #75C807 - at Costco
Samsung 75" MU8000 - Fry's has a good deal on it this week

2019? TCL 75" (or whatever they come out with for 2019) - Sure do wish they did a 75" this year in the 6 Series

Budget is around $1500-$1700

Any other TV's I should look at? Thanks!

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He does play videogames (although I don't know if he'll be upgrading to the Xbox One X or not)They'll be watching 4K Netflix for sure since I upgraded my Netflix plan. "Interfering in their marriage" is a bit dramatic. I just don't want them to buy junk if they can get a much better television for a couple hundred more.
Money is a huge issue in many marriages, which is why I mentioned that. Wives are seldom in favor of big expenditures on a TV and usually don't appreciate outside pressure to spend more.

Anyway, the $578 Hisense 65R6D is a 4K TV with HDR so technically it supports the upgraded 4K Netflix plan. Only serious gamers are sensitive to slightly higher input lag. If your brother is a serious gamer, he would appreciate the very low input lag on virtually all TCL models. I don't know that any of the lower-end TCLs are that much better than that Hisense. The new $1,000 TCL65R615/65R617 is a FALD set so certainly should be better for HDR.
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There's definitely more choices at 75", plus with your viewing distance the larger screen would be better. Wallmounting would increase the distance by a foot or two, and eliminate your 62 inch stand restriction. Recommend a full motion mount to give you the flexibility to angle the tv as necessary.

I would look for a closeout deal on a 75 inch Sony 900E which would range between 2-2.5K. It does a great job with reflections (semi gloss finish), excellent brightness for your daytime viewing and it upscales really well for your cable content. Even if you decide not to wallmount, the stand is center based and would easily fit on your existing 62 inch stand (although the TV itself would hang over the edges as it has a 66 inch width)
Thank you again, PlanetAVS. The set arrived last week and I love it! It's taking a bit of adjusting because though it might be less reflective than other sets, coming from a DLP means it looks totally reflective. Am enjoying it more every day and the size which was at first oppressive is now a delight and perfect. A full-motion mount as you recommended arrives today and installation will be Friday. Hard to wait!

The only thing I don't like so far is the remote. Have never cared for Sony remotes but this one is really bad. I use my Tivo remote mostly, but would like an easier way to access the timer which I like to use nightly. Have not used learning remotes historically (the Samsung TV one was great - as is the Tivo) so don't know: can one program something like the timer access to a single button on an auxilliary remote? Not sure how it works when you have to go through menus to get to something. If yes, is there one you'd recommend? All I would need it for is a a couple to a few functions.
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Thank you again, PlanetAVS. The set arrived last week and I love it! It's taking a bit of adjusting because though it might be less reflective than other sets, coming from a DLP means it looks totally reflective. Am enjoying it more every day and the size which was at first oppressive is now a delight and perfect. A full-motion mount as you recommended arrives today and installation will be Friday. Hard to wait!

The only thing I don't like so far is the remote. Have never cared for Sony remotes but this one is really bad. I use my Tivo remote mostly, but would like an easier way to access the timer which I like to use nightly. Have not used learning remotes historically (the Samsung TV one was great - as is the Tivo) so don't know: can one program something like the timer access to a single button on an auxilliary remote? Not sure how it works when you have to go through menus to get to something. If yes, is there one you'd recommend? All I would need it for is a a couple to a few functions.
Glad its working out for you. I actually don't have the Sony 900E so I can't speak to the remote capabilities etc. Perhaps another 900E owner can chime in, or you could check on the 900E thread or in the Remotes forum.
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Hi,

Looking to get a new 65 inch and have narrowed it down to the TCL 6 series ($999) or the Vizio P65-e1 2017 model ($1100). In that price range (not looking to spend the extra 300-400 for the sony x900e), which one do you all think is better? Seems to me like the Roku interface is better, the FALD is similar, but the Vizio is a 120hz panel vs the 60hz on the TCL? In terms of things like color, hdr, brightness, etc does one jump out as quite a bit better? Considering its a $100 difference, that isn't much between them, so basically just which tv is better. Thoughts?

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Hi,

Looking to get a new 65 inch and have narrowed it down to the TCL 6 series ($999) or the Vizio P65-e1 2017 model ($1100). In that price range (not looking to spend the extra 300-400 for the sony x900e), which one do you all think is better? Seems to me like the Roku interface is better, the FALD is similar, but the Vizio is a 120hz panel vs the 60hz on the TCL? In terms of things like color, hdr, brightness, etc does one jump out as quite a bit better? Considering its a $100 difference, that isn't much between them, so basically just which tv is better. Thoughts?

Thanks!
I'd take the Vizio P over the new TCL. They have similar zone count but a 120 Hz set will have better motion control over 24p movies played through a cable/satellite box. Plus the dimming performance of last year's TCL P605/607 wasn't as good as the Vizio P and except for more zones I haven't seen anything to confirm their dimming algorithm is significantly better this year. If you're fixated on the new TCL, IMO you should wait for a thorough review to come out.
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I'd take the Vizio P over the new TCL. They have similar zone count but a 120 Hz set will have better motion control over 24p movies played through a cable/satellite box. Plus the dimming performance of last year's TCL P605/607 wasn't as good as the Vizio P and except for more zones I haven't seen anything to confirm their dimming algorithm is significantly better this year. If you're fixated on the new TCL, IMO you should wait for a thorough review to come out.
Thanks for the input. Based on some reading, it seems like there are some others considering the same two options as me. The Vizio is definitely the more known quantity when it comes to reviews. I suppose the review a lot of people are waiting for is from rtings.com. The ones i've read so far are all great, but I also see that the TCL is typically compared to the Vizio M series not the P, so if they did a direct comparison the P might come out on top, particularly when they're about the same price. The Roku interface is definitely a plus, but PQ is more important. I also have a PS4 pro so will be gaming on it, but most use will be streaming Netflix/HBO/etc. I've read the input lag on the Vizio is fairly bad compared to the TCL, but not sure how important that is. Also, I saw others complaining about a white line effect on the Vizio but they seem to have fixed that. I don't think i'll wait for the 2018 Vizio as it seems like its still a few weeks away and the specs on paper don't seem brilliant.
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I posted yesterday - but my post might have been a bit too long...

So what is the opinion of the following 2 TV's???

2017 TCL Model #75C807 - at Costco
Samsung 75" MU8000 - Fry's has a good deal on it this week

Budget under $1700
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I posted yesterday - but my post might have been a bit too long...

So what is the opinion of the following 2 TV's???

2017 TCL Model #75C807 - at Costco
Samsung 75" MU8000 - Fry's has a good deal on it this week

Budget under $1700
The Samsung 75" MU8000 is a far better TV.
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Thanks for the input. Based on some reading, it seems like there are some others considering the same two options as me. The Vizio is definitely the more known quantity when it comes to reviews. I suppose the review a lot of people are waiting for is from rtings.com. The ones i've read so far are all great, but I also see that the TCL is typically compared to the Vizio M series not the P, so if they did a direct comparison the P might come out on top, particularly when they're about the same price. The Roku interface is definitely a plus, but PQ is more important. I also have a PS4 pro so will be gaming on it, but most use will be streaming Netflix/HBO/etc. I've read the input lag on the Vizio is fairly bad compared to the TCL, but not sure how important that is. Also, I saw others complaining about a white line effect on the Vizio but they seem to have fixed that. I don't think i'll wait for the 2018 Vizio as it seems like its still a few weeks away and the specs on paper don't seem brilliant.
Agree with Dave, I'd pick the Vizio P over the TCL although both would be good choices. Furthermore, why not wait a few weeks for the 2018 P? It has almost double the stated brightness at 1000 nits vs the actual peak brightness levels per the Rtngs test of 531 nits. It also adds a tuner and slimmer bezel for this year for only $100-200 more.
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