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Despite wanting a IPS panel - Sunday we were able to score a display model Samsung 75" MU8000 for a good price.

I looked at another 8000 version from the side and I think it will work OK for us - once I get it delivered I will know if it was a good decision or not!

I am still kicking myself for not getting to the store earlier on Saturday for the XBR850E that sold for $899...but it might have had other issues or missing parts, as the floor sample Samsung MU8000 from the same store, with all of the needed parts, was just over $1200.

I am happy with the price. I just can't wait to get it up on the wall.

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Despite wanting a IPS panel - Sunday we were able to score a display model Samsung 75" MU8000 for a good price.

I looked at another 8000 version from the side and I think it will work OK for us - once I get it delivered I will know if it was a good decision or not!

I am still kicking myself for not getting to the store earlier on Saturday for the XBR850E that sold for $899...but it might have had other issues or missing parts, as the floor sample Samsung MU8000 from the same store, with all of the needed parts, was just over $1200.

I am happy with the price. I just can't wait to get it up on the wall.

Thanks forum members for these threads (and VA_DaveB for answering my earlier questions).
I don't know where we are allowed to discuss price, but I am curious if anyone feels there is a decent chance we will get an OLED for $1000 come Black friday?

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I don't know where we are allowed to discuss price, but I am curious if anyone feels there is a decent chance we will get an OLED for $1000 come Black friday?
For 70" I could see that. I doubt you will see that for a 75".

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For 70" I could see that. I doubt you will see that for a 75".
I am going to go out on a limb and say that there is no way in hell we will see a 65" or higher reaching $1000 (or less).

I am more curious if 55" will happen.

My understanding is that OLEDs reached $1300 last year.

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I am going to go out on a limb and say that there is no way in hell we will see a 65" or higher reaching $1000 (or less).

I am more curious if 55" will happen.

My understanding is that OLEDs reached $1300 last year.
That is wishful thinking on my part. Right now I would settle for a 70"to 75" LED for $1000. That would be night and day over my 11+ year old Sony rear projection 1080p TV. I am tired of buying lamps for it every year, but my wife is to cheap to let me spend money on a new TV.

I tired to get her to let me move our 120" 16:9 screen and projector up into our living room, but that got shut down quick.

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That is wishful thinking on my part. Right now I would settle for a 70"to 75" LED for $1000. That would be night and day over my 11+ year old Sony rear projection 1080p TV. I am tired of buying lamps for it every year, but my wife is to cheap to let me spend money on a new TV.

I tired to get her to let me move our 120" 16:9 screen and projector up into our living room, but that got shut down quick.

We sit over 18' back from a 60" TV.
The original question was the Black Friday price for an OLED, not a LCD TV.

The LG 55 OLED got as low as $1350 last Black Friday, and has been as low as $1200 recently. Based on this trend, $1,000 for the 2018 Black Friday season is a realistic possibility IMO.

For the LED question, the 2018 Vizio D70 is already selling for $1,000. It has 4K HDR. For $50 more you can get the 2018 E70 which adds Dolby Vision and local dimming.
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The original question was the Black Friday price for an OLED, not a LCD TV.

The LG 55 OLED got as low as $1350 last Black Friday, and has been as low as $1200 recently. Based on this trend, $1,000 for the 2018 Black Friday season is a realistic possibility IMO.

For the LED question, the 2018 Vizio D70 is already selling for $1,000. It has 4K HDR. For $50 more you can get the 2018 E70 which adds Dolby Vision and local dimming.
Ah Man, I see Tagert has it for that. Now I will have to beg the wife for it now. Now the 75" is about $300 more and that is the one I want. So the Vizio "E" Line is a good product then?

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Ah Man, I see Tagert has it for that. Now I will have to beg the wife for it now. Now the 75" is about $300 more and that is the one I want. So the Vizio "E" Line is a good product then?
It would be a good budget choice for a 75. It's $500 more than the 70 inch from what I see. You might be referring to the 2017 closeout E75, which doesn't have a TV tuner or Dolby Vision support
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It would be a good budget choice for a 75. It's $500 more than the 70 inch from what I see. You might be referring to the 2017 closeout E75, which doesn't have a TV tuner or Dolby Vision support
It is the E75-E3. It would still be a huge improvement on what we have and if my wife approved it, she may not want to go down to my theater to watch movies.

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It is the E75-E3. It would still be a huge improvement on what we have and if my wife approved it, she may not want to go down to my theater to watch movies.
That's the 2017 model with no built in tuner for OTA TV
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Long time lurker, very infrequent poster. Need help deciding between 3 displays. My 5 year old Vizio has an LED problem. I feel like I've gotten my money's worth out of it and don't want to try to fix it.


Space limitations restrict me to looking at 43" models. Budget limitations restrict me to looking at $400 (or less) models. Mostly use the display for 1080 viewing from a Spectrum cable box, Xbox One gaming, occasional Netflix via the built in app, and infrequent Chromecast from my phone or laptop. Viewing is from a distance of about 8 feet.


There are limited choices in that size and budget, but here's what I'm down to:


LG UJ6300 - best price by a little

Vizio E43-F1 (2018 Model) - has 10 local dimming zones - built in Chromecast - built in apps for what I care about
TCL 43S515 or 43S517 - 5 series - built in Roku


Leaning toward the Vizio or TCL, but looking for any opinions or reason why I should choose one over the other. Unfortunately, local access to these models is very limited right now, so I'll probably buy online sight unseen.


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Checking in on this thread.....any suggestions?
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I would give the edge to the TCL for the built in Roku platform and the lower input lag for your Xbox gaming. It doesn't have the local dimming of the Vizio E but at 43" it probably doesn't matter as much IMO.
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I currently have a 55 inch Samsung JS9000.

Wife is offering to get me a new set for Father's day, but need to keep it in the 1500 (give or take) range. Should I expect anything to show significant improvement over this set?
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I currently have a 55 inch Samsung JS9000.

Wife is offering to get me a new set for Father's day, but need to keep it in the 1500 (give or take) range. Should I expect anything to show significant improvement over this set?
Yes, you can get a better set for $1.5K especially if you stay with a 55". Look at the Sony XBR55X900F, a brighter FALD set with DV that is right at your target price. For a 65" set, last year's Sony XBR65X900E is available at your price for the time being. No DV on that one though. Unfortunately the new and impressive FALD Samsung Q8FN is above your limit. Plus it needs some firmware corrections to work right.
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I would give the edge to the TCL for the built in Roku platform and the lower input lag for your Xbox gaming. It doesn't have the local dimming of the Vizio E but at 43" it probably doesn't matter as much IMO.
This is really tough. After seeing what local dimming can do, I don't think I could go without it. Even if it just blacks out the black bars for letter-boxed movies, it is worth it for that alone. Going from a 65" Panasonic VT60 plasma to a Vizio 75" P75-C1 with local dimming, the black bars were slightly gray on the plasma, they are completely black on the FALD. In a dark room, this makes such a difference that I can't imagine going back. When Xbox borked the Blu-ray app elevating black levels, it was instantly noticeable. Once they patched it, again, noticed immediately.

I can't imagine being stuck with a 43". I haven't had a TV that small in the living room since 2003, lol. I'm insane though, and would move or rearrange the room to fit something far larger. I live in a 500 sq ft apt in Philly, with the living room/ kitchen area maybe being 18'x10'. I sit about 6.5' from the 75" (it is on a 30" articulating wall mount), and I want to go bigger. 85" are starting to come out in mid range models. Maybe larger than 85" will be feasible by then, and not $10,000. I can dream! I am about 2 years away from upgrading (Tech reasons), and if my entire wall could be a TV, I would make it happen! Again, I am a little off my rocker. People walk in and literally the first thing they comment on is the size of the TV. everyone thinks I am nuts until they watch it. Then they get it. Right now watching my Philadelphia Phillies, and it is like being there!

I am looking for a bedroom TV, and I am looking at the TCL 6 series which seems like a steal. Shame it doesn't come in this size. That would be a real easy recommend. If I were buying a TV today, I would not buy a TV that didn't have controlled back lighting (self emitting like OLED or FALD for LED), and HDR with 500 nits of brightness at a minimum (more is better if possible). Dolby Vision would be nice, but honestly it is still difficult to find and display content. I don't really know of a UHD player that even plays DV discs outside of Oppo, who is getting out of that side of their business. I think I own 2 UHDs that have DV versus the 25 or so that are HDR10 only. The few times I copmpared them, I didn't see some tremendous difference (Netflix, and who knows the quality versus a UHD disc which I have no way of testing).

43" is sadly becoming a small TV market that is left to the lower end models. Of the 2 models you have listed, I would do the Vizio just because of the FALD. Pitch black letter-box bars is really awesome for movies if that matters, and FALD usually doubles the real Contrast ratio of the LED. Vizio has been very good at adding features over the last year+ that I have owned mine. They have also pledged to continue support of my model (2016/2017 P) for the next year. I don't know of any company that has supported a TV for THREE YEARS (I am thinking 4 years as the P series is a 2 year model). My Panasonic was $3,900, and received ONE firmware update I remember, about 3 months after I got it. It didn't add any features, just bug fixes. The TCL has the better interface, but streaming to a Vizio is simple. Hit stream on your phone, select the TV, boom, TV changes instantly to whatever it is. I don't use the remote at all for it. Just the Tablet or my phone, or the Xbox One X. I'll probably own an TCL shortly, wish I could comment on that better.

Since these aren't super expensive TVs, is there any way you could just buy them both and test them at the same time? I have always wanted to do this, but couldn't afford it. We all have budgets and some people just don't care that much about this stuff. Might be a fun thing to do for a few hours, maybe not. Good luck, Either way I don't think you will go wrong. Both are good TVs, but the FALD in the Vizio, IMO is the differentiator.

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This is really tough. After seeing what local dimming can do, I don't think I could go without it. Even if it just blacks out the black bars for letter-boxed movies, it is worth it for that alone. Going from a 65" Panasonic VT60 plasma to a Vizio 75" P75-C1 with local dimming, the black bars were slightly gray on the plasma, they are completely black on the FALD. In a dark room, this makes such a difference that I can't imagine going back. When Xbox borked the Blu-ray app elevating black levels, it was instantly noticeable. Once they patched it, again, noticed immediately.

I can't imagine being stuck with a 43". I haven't had a TV that small in the living room since 2003, lol. I'm insane though, and would move or rearrange the room to fit something far larger. I live in a 500 sq ft apt in Philly, with the living room/ kitchen area maybe being 18'x10'. I sit about 6.5' from the 75" (it is on a 30" articulating wall mount), and I want to go bigger. 85" are starting to come out in mid range models. Maybe larger than 85" will be feasible by then, and not $10,000. I can dream! I am about 2 years away from upgrading (Tech reasons), and if my entire wall could be a TV, I would make it happen! Again, I am a little off my rocker. People walk in and literally the first thing they comment on is the size of the TV. everyone thinks I am nuts until they watch it. Then they get it. Right now watching my Philadelphia Phillies, and it is like being there!

I am looking for a bedroom TV, and I am looking at the TCL 6 series which seems like a steal. Shame it doesn't come in this size. That would be a real easy recommend. If I were buying a TV today, I would not buy a TV that didn't have controlled back lighting (self emitting like OLED or FALD for LED), and HDR with 500 nits of brightness at a minimum (more is better if possible). Dolby Vision would be nice, but honestly it is still difficult to find and display content. I don't really know of a UHD player that even plays DV discs outside of Oppo, who is getting out of that side of their business. I think I own 2 UHDs that have DV versus the 25 or so that are HDR10 only. The few times I copmpared them, I didn't see some tremendous difference (Netflix, and who knows the quality versus a UHD disc which I have no way of testing).

43" is sadly becoming a small TV market that is left to the lower end models. Of the 2 models you have listed, I would do the Vizio just because of the FALD. Pitch black letter-box bars is really awesome for movies if that matters, and FALD usually doubles the real Contrast ratio of the LED. Vizio has been very good at adding features over the last year+ that I have owned mine. They have also pledged to continue support of my model (2016/2017 P) for the next year. I don't know of any company that has supported a TV for THREE YEARS (I am thinking 4 years as the P series is a 2 year model). My Panasonic was $3,900, and received ONE firmware update I remember, about 3 months after I got it. It didn't add any features, just bug fixes. The TCL has the better interface, but streaming to a Vizio is simple. Hit stream on your phone, select the TV, boom, TV changes instantly to whatever it is. I don't use the remote at all for it. Just the Tablet or my phone, or the Xbox One X. I'll probably own an TCL shortly, wish I could comment on that better.

Since these aren't super expensive TVs, is there any way you could just buy them both and test them at the same time? I have always wanted to do this, but couldn't afford it. We all have budgets and some people just don't care that much about this stuff. Might be a fun thing to do for a few hours, maybe not. Good luck, Either way I don't think you will go wrong. Both are good TVs, but the FALD in the Vizio, IMO is the differentiator.
The FALD for the Vizio is an advantage but the local dimming on the E series doesn't compare to the Vizio P that you have experienced (and understandably rave about). I haven't seen any reviews on the 2018 E series yet, but it's likely to be comparable to the 2017 series. It seems to be a question of prioritizing the pros/cons of both TVs. Roku and input lag for the TCL vs the Vizio local dimming. Both TVs have tuners and support Dolby Vision HDR.

EDIT: Here is a comparison of the 2016 P that you own vs the 2017 E series. Your P received an 8.5 rating for local dimming effectiveness. The E received a 1.5
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...!threshold*0.1

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Yes, you can get a better set for $1.5K especially if you stay with a 55". Look at the Sony XBR55X900F, a brighter FALD set with DV that is right at your target price. For a 65" set, last year's Sony XBR65X900E is available at your price for the time being. No DV on that one though. Unfortunately the new and impressive FALD Samsung Q8FN is above your limit. Plus it needs some firmware corrections to work right.
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The FALD for the Vizio is an advantage but the local dimming on the E series doesn't compare to the Vizio P that you have experienced (and understandably rave about). I haven't seen any reviews on the 2018 E series yet, but it's likely to be comparable to the 2017 series. It seems to be a question of prioritizing the pros/cons of both TVs. Roku and input lag for the TCL vs the Vizio local dimming. Both TVs have tuners and support Dolby Vision HDR.

EDIT: Here is a comparison of the 2016 P that you own vs the 2017 E series. Your P received an 8.5 rating for local dimming effectiveness. The E received a 1.5
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...!threshold*0.1
Vizio usually does a pretty good job of dropping down tech each model year into the cheaper models. I guess we really won't know until Rtings gets there hands on this and the TCL, or HDTVTest. This is a really important year for Vizio. They were the value leaders for a few years, but TCL isn't playing around, and really wants the crown. Hopefully we get reviews of both soon. I would take a slightly worse picture to have pitch black bars in movies personally. I watch a ton of movies in the dark though. If I never watched in the dark, FALD wouldn't matter quite as much, but it should in theory be a better display. Theory doesn't always equal reality though. Vizio does have 2 lines that are REALLY close in price, (think D and E series maybe), but the features are pretty different. I don't understand why at this point, so I am curious about reviews for these models. Seems redundant.

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Vizio usually does a pretty good job of dropping down tech each model year into the cheaper models. I guess we really won't know until Rtings gets there hands on this and the TCL, or HDTVTest. This is a really important year for Vizio. They were the value leaders for a few years, but TCL isn't playing around, and really wants the crown. Hopefully we get reviews of both soon. I would take a slightly worse picture to have pitch black bars in movies personally. I watch a ton of movies in the dark though. If I never watched in the dark, FALD wouldn't matter quite as much, but it should in theory be a better display. Theory doesn't always equal reality though. Vizio does have 2 lines that are REALLY close in price, (think D and E series maybe), but the features are pretty different. I don't understand why at this point, so I am curious about reviews for these models. Seems redundant.
True, and the addition of Dolby Vision to the 2018 E is an example of that. I just don't think that it's realistic to expect the 2018 E (with its 10 zones) to have comparable to the local dimming performance of the 2016 P (128 zones). Hope I'm wrong though because if the E is improved that much, I will be all over the E75 for $1549

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Thanks for the help. Any thoughts on the LG B7A
Are you familiar with Massdrop? They have had the LG B7A a few times for awesome prices ($1299.99/55" and $1999.99/65"). They just had a drop that ended a few days ago. I would suspect they will have this drop again, you can request it to speed it up (or show interest). I have bought a ton of stuff from them, and have never had an issue. there is also a comment section to read. The down side is it won't ship immediately, but you get it for a much better price. You could wait until Black Friday to get this or possibly better pricing on the 8 series. Cool website overall, specializing in a few different hobby interests. Careful, your wallet might not like it!

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I have seen some of the other LG models. They had the C and E 7 series up recently as well, all at great prices. Not sure how badly you need a TV, could save a few hundred if you don't mind waiting a little bit. You should be able to do an after market extended warranty if you wanted to.

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Go look at it since an OLED is a different experience than the LCD you are used to.
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What's everyone's thoughts on the 75" X940E Vs. 75" Q8FN? I can pick up a refurbished x940e on EBAY for $2150 and put an offer in on greentoe for the Q8FN.

I mostly watch movies via Netflix and disc, game on a ps4 pro. Comparing the two sets on rtings it looks like there's a lot higher contrast on the X940E but motion is definitely not handled as well. On rtings the 940e scores higher in hdr movies (8.9 vs 8.4) but lower in non HDR gaming (7.8 vs 8.8). It's a lot closer in hdr gaming.

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What's everyone's thoughts on the 75" X940E Vs. 75" Q8FN? I can pick up a refurbished x940e on EBAY for $2150 and put an offer in on greentoe for the Q8FN.

I mostly watch movies via Netflix and disc, game on a ps4 pro. Comparing the two sets on rtings it looks like there's a lot higher contrast on the X940E but motion is definitely not handled as well. On rtings the 940e scores higher in hdr movies (8.9 vs 8.4) but lower in non HDR gaming (7.8 vs 8.8). It's a lot closer in hdr gaming.
The Samsung Q8FN has lots of issues so I'd hold off and see if Samsung get things right. And yes, the Sony 940E has a long response time so not the best for gaming or sports. If you can't wait to see if the Q8FN ever gets sorted out, you could pick up a Sony 900F.
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The Samsung Q8FN has lots of issues so I'd hold off and see if Samsung get things right. And yes, the Sony 940E has a long response time so not the best for gaming or sports. If you can't wait to see if the Q8FN ever gets sorted out, you could pick up a Sony 900F.
I'll have to read into some of the issues on the Q8FN. I hadn't read much beyond reviews. I was considering the X900F. My only concern was if I'd get that same depth as I get with my plasma given it's lower contrast ratio and if the blooming was bad. When I see rtings say that bloom is not as bad on the Q8FN that leads me to (however illogically) feel that bloom must be high on the 900F. Not exactly fool proof logic on my part I'll admit haha. If I previously had an led I'd likely not think twice about the 940E but coming from a plasma I'm worried I'd notice the motion handling.

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I'll have to read into some of the issues on the Q8FN. I hadn't read much beyond reviews. I was considering the X900F. My only concern was if I'd get that same depth as I get with my plasma given it's lower contrast ratio and if the blooming was bad. When I see rtings say that bloom is not as bad on the Q8FN that leads me to (however illogically) feel that bloom must be high on the 900F. Not exactly fool proof logic on my part I'll admit haha. If I previously had an led I'd likely not think twice about the 940E but coming from a plasma I'm worried I'd notice the motion handling.
The Sony 900F has a quick response time and excellent motion control. I have problems with Samsung's motion control myself as it seems to immediately go to SOE when invoked. But I'm a dual plasma user so LCD motion control is iffy for me anyway. Regarding blooming, if you look for it you'll see it on any FALD LCD especially looking a bit off angle.
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Does anyone think the 55XBR900F has an overall better picture than the 55XBR930E?

Or that it has any major advantage over the 930E?

As we speak, the 930E is discontinued but is the same price as the 900F.
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Does anyone think the 55XBR900F has an overall better picture than the 55XBR930E?

Or that it has any major advantage over the 930E?

As we speak, the 930E is discontinued but is the same price as the 900F.
They're very close in performance, with the 930E being brighter. The 930E is quite amazing for an edge-lit TV.
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They're very close in performance, with the 930E being brighter. The 930E is quite amazing for an edge-lit TV.
Significantly brighter. I don't believe the 930E has been discontinued yet.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...omparison_1648

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Significantly brighter. I don't believe the 930E has been discontinued yet.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...omparison_1648

Dave, you also forgot to vote for the 930E feet
Yeah, not a big fan of the clown feet. But at least you can turn them inward and fit the TV on most tables.
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Does anyone think the 55XBR900F has an overall better picture than the 55XBR930E?

Or that it has any major advantage over the 930E?

As we speak, the 930E is discontinued but is the same price as the 900F.
I see that the price of the 900F has just gone down $200 -- now which do you prefer?
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