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I see that the price of the 900F has just gone down $200 -- now which do you prefer?
Where I am the 930E is out of stock and Amazon is selling through 3rd party sellers as they are out too. I'm not a brightest is best type, so I like the 2018 FALD 900F a bit better. The 2017 930E is excellent also but I'd go for the current year model. If possible, go see them both and then choose one. Either will be a good choice at a very good price point.
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Where I am the 930E is out of stock and Amazon is selling through 3rd party sellers as they are out too. I'm not a brightest is best type, so I like the 2018 FALD 900F a bit better. The 2017 930E is excellent also but I'd go for the current year model. If possible, go see them both and then choose one. Either will be a good choice at a very good price point.
Two dealers told me they can still get the 930e at $1499.
Not sure about BB.

So if the choice is between the 900F at 1,300 and the 930e at 1,500, which do you choose and why?
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I wanted to drop in with a follow up post to update where things stand with our new TV.

I was originally looking at some various 75" LED TV's and with some help from VA_DaveB decided to initially veer away from VA panel units and look for a TV with an IPS panel. I was concerned with off angle viewing along with reflections and having the TV in a bright room, and thought IPS would be the better choice.

My search at the time included Samsung MU8000, TCL 75" at Costco, and for an IPS version the Sony XBR75X850E...I never seriously looked at 2017 Vizio units as I wanted an OTA antenna connection. I also don't like LG products and so eliminated them from consideration.

I was really shooting for the Sony and almost got one at a great deal at Best Buy...but it was not to be.

I ended up finding a display model Samsung 75" MU8000 for a good enough price that I jumped at it even though it was a VA panel.

Now that I have this MU8000 TV up on the wall, and have watched shows on it for over a week, the off angle viewing isn't a problem. One chair in our room is a bit out of place to watch the TV, but I am not sure the IPS would have made much of difference for that one spot anyway. The Samsung TV has a much better screen and the brightness and output compared to our old 55" Panasonic, even with sunlight hitting the screen, makes it is so much better to view. There are also less reflections and it really looks so much better in our brightly lit room. I am very surprised by the difference. So the VA panel worked for us!!!

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If price is equal, would you get a Sony 940E or a 900F if your goals were good movies and good sports in a bright room? (I'm concerned about motion blur)

My panasonic plasma died and I loved it except when I had to watch tv/movies during the day. That has led me to LED over OLED bc of how bright the room is.
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If price is equal, would you get a Sony 940E or a 900F if your goals were good movies and good sports in a bright room? (I'm concerned about motion blur)

My panasonic plasma died and I loved it except when I had to watch tv/movies during the day. That has led me to LED over OLED bc of how bright the room is.
The 940E is better for movies than the 900F with better black levels and more zones for better FALD, but it's slow response time is an issue for fast moving sports. For example, you may notice faint trails following moving object like a hockey puck. So, if sports are important, then the 900F might be the better choice.

If reflections are an issue, the new Samsung Q8FN and Q9FN FALD TVs have an amazing anti reflective coating. At the moment, each of these TVs has a lot of issues so I wouldn't get one right now. It's possible their issues could be fixed via firmware updates but I'd wait to find out.
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Yeah, that's what I keep reading. But some people say they don't see the trails. Wish I could find one still on display so I could see if it bothered me or not.
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Please help me choose between
Vizio P65-F1 or P65-E1


movies and tv shows in dark room (netflix,amazon prime and hulu)

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Smile XBR75x900F or XBR85x850F

Ok I’m in between a Sony XBR75x900F (3499) and an XBR85x850F (4499).

My thinking is I am about 11.5 feet away from where my proposed eyes will be and I’m conflicted between bigger size or better quality. I’m coming from a 65” OLED so I want to maintain good black level, I know it won’t be like OLED but compromising a bit on size and pricing.

Now I understand the 85 850F is edgelit but does use a VA panel as does the 75x900F however, the 900F is full array. It’s hard to get a feel for the size difference at the big box stores, unless you look at the 85’s, I don’t care where you are That thing looks BIG.

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Ok I’m in between a Sony XBR75x900F (3499) and an XBR85x850F (4499).

My thinking is I am about 11.5 feet away from where my proposed eyes will be and I’m conflicted between bigger size or better quality. I’m coming from a 65” OLED so I want to maintain good black level, I know it won’t be like OLED but compromising a bit on size and pricing.

Now I understand the 85 850F is edgelit but does use a VA panel as does the 75x900F however, the 900F is full array. It’s hard to get a feel for the size difference at the big box stores, unless you look at the 85’s, I don’t care where you are That thing looks BIG.

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Maybe you should add the 82" Samsung UN82NU8000 to your list. Currently $3,500, it is an Edge-lit VA panel with rudimentary local dimming. Too bad the 85" Sony XBR85X900F at $5,300 is above your price range.
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Maybe you should add the 82" Samsung UN82NU8000 to your list. Currently $3,500, it is an Edge-lit VA panel with rudimentary local dimming. Too bad the 85" Sony XBR85X900F at $5,300 is above your price range.
I took a look at that one at B.B. the other day and wasn’t too impressed. It’s QLED counterpart at 82 looked better but, neither could match the Sony X900F or X850F is PQ as far as I could tell.
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I took a look at that one at B.B. the other day and wasn’t too impressed. It’s QLED counterpart at 82 looked better but, neither could match the Sony X900F or X850F is PQ as far as I could tell.
So you actually saw an 85" 850F? I've only seen the smaller 850F models which have IPS panels while the 85" has the VA panel.
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Some good deals available on the 65 inch Sony 930E. Probably a sign that clear out prices are on the way
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Oyy, having an issue. I'm looking to upgrade from my Panasonic 55" Plasma, to a 65" 4k, HDR (high end hdr), quality TV for mainly gaming (as well as movies and netflix ect.).


I was looking at the LG OLEDS, because I really value those black levels (coming from Plasma), but I heard they arent the best for gaming... anyone have any good reccomendations? I'd extremely appreciate it.



My budget is like $1000 - $2700 .


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Oyy, having an issue. I'm looking to upgrade from my Panasonic 55" Plasma, to a 65" 4k, HDR (high end hdr), quality TV for mainly gaming (as well as movies and netflix ect.).


I was looking at the LG OLEDS, because I really value those black levels (coming from Plasma), but I heard they arent the best for gaming... anyone have any good reccomendations? I'd extremely appreciate it.



My budget is like $1000 - $2700 .


(https://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR65X90...ustomerReviews)
You should look at the 65" Samsung Q8FN @ $2,800 and the 65" Sony 900F @ $2,100 for gaming performance as well as movies. The Q8FN is better, especially if variable refresh rate is added for gaming, but it is over your budget. Reports are that the current firmware has corrected most of the issues that plagued this TV. The Sony 900F is also good for gaming, just not quite as good as the Samsung Q8FN. Both are FALD VA panels with dark black levels and good HDR for movies. The Sony will have DV support if that matters to you.
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You should look at the 65" Samsung Q8FN @ $2,800 and the 65" Sony 900F @ $2,100 for gaming performance as well as movies. The Q8FN is better, especially if variable refresh rate is added for gaming, but it is over your budget. Reports are that the current firmware has corrected most of the issues that plagued this TV. The Sony 900F is also good for gaming, just not quite as good as the Samsung Q8FN. Both are FALD VA panels with dark black levels and good HDR for movies. The Sony will have DV support if that matters to you.
Thanks a lot for the repsonse and feedback. I've always been a Samsung fan, so that might be an interesting route to take... I just feel like QLED is just a lesser OLED and that makes me feel bad. Haha, but I think not worrying about burn-in will be nice.
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Thanks a lot for the repsonse and feedback. I've always been a Samsung fan, so that might be an interesting route to take... I just feel like QLED is just a lesser OLED and that makes me feel bad. Haha, but I think not worrying about burn-in will be nice.
QLED is nothing at all like OLED. Just a Samsung marketing label intended to deceive. It's just an LCD with and LED backlight and a quantum dot panel, just an evolution of the 2016 KS8000/KS9000 panels. Some are edge lit like the KS8000/KS9000 and others, like the Q8FN and Q9FN, are FALD. But none are emissive like an OLED or plasma and dimming must be done in zones, not each individual pixel.
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So you actually saw an 85" 850F? I've only seen the smaller 850F models which have IPS panels while the 85" has the VA panel.
Yup however, you could tell the PQ on the 75x900F was better. I brought my wife along and she concurred. I also looked at the QLED 75Q8FN, nice, but I didn’t think it was worth the 4,000 asking price. I ended up ordering the 75x900F for Monday delivery.
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Thanks a lot for the repsonse and feedback. I've always been a Samsung fan, so that might be an interesting route to take... I just feel like QLED is just a lesser OLED and that makes me feel bad. Haha, but I think not worrying about burn-in will be nice.
You should definitely read this before purchasing the $2800 Samsung or the $2200 Sony that have been recommended.

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Let's give this a shot because I'm completely torn about what to get:

1. Budget => ~$1500
2. Seating distance => ~10 feet from the main part of my sectional
3. Size/placement limitations => 65" max
4. Uses and sources => Mainly sports and gaming. I really don't watch any 4K content and I have a ton of older movies on disc.
5. Room lighting => Mostly bright thanks to the nearby front door and window. There is also a ceiling fan light and a table lamp.

Up until just recently, I've only really considered the TCL 6-series (banding issues and DSE) and the Sony X900E (no banding/DSE issues but apparently not worth the price difference) which would both fall into my price range. I've seen the LG B7A in 55" drop into my price range here and there but I feel like I would need 65" to cover the larger viewing distance. Part of me just wants to pick up last year's TCL P605 for $500 for the time being.

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance.
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Let's give this a shot because I'm completely torn about what to get:

1. Budget => ~$1500
2. Seating distance => ~10 feet from the main part of my sectional
3. Size/placement limitations => 65" max
4. Uses and sources => Mainly sports and gaming. I really don't watch any 4K content and I have a ton of older movies on disc.
5. Room lighting => Mostly bright thanks to the nearby front door and window. There is also a ceiling fan light and a table lamp.

Up until just recently, I've only really considered the TCL 6-series (banding issues and DSE) and the Sony X900E (no banding/DSE issues but apparently not worth the price difference) which would both fall into my price range. I've seen the LG B7A in 55" drop into my price range here and there but I feel like I would need 65" to cover the larger viewing distance. Part of me just wants to pick up last year's TCL P605 for $500 for the time being.

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance.
Not having to worry about banding and DSE sure seems like it would be worth something, and the Sony's superior processing and upscaling is worth something as well if you're feeding it anything beyond 4K or 1080 P sources.

A 55" would be OK at that distance but the larger size is ideal, at least a 65". I sat 11 ft. from my prior 55" then rearranged and sat 6.5 ft. from it before upgrading to a 65" 900E. As it stands today I wouldn't want to go back to a 55" even at that close distance.
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Let's give this a shot because I'm completely torn about what to get:

1. Budget => ~$1500
2. Seating distance => ~10 feet from the main part of my sectional
3. Size/placement limitations => 65" max
4. Uses and sources => Mainly sports and gaming. I really don't watch any 4K content and I have a ton of older movies on disc.
5. Room lighting => Mostly bright thanks to the nearby front door and window. There is also a ceiling fan light and a table lamp.

Up until just recently, I've only really considered the TCL 6-series (banding issues and DSE) and the Sony X900E (no banding/DSE issues but apparently not worth the price difference) which would both fall into my price range. I've seen the LG B7A in 55" drop into my price range here and there but I feel like I would need 65" to cover the larger viewing distance. Part of me just wants to pick up last year's TCL P605 for $500 for the time being.

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance.
The 65 B7A is now going for slightly over your budget. Also consider the 2018 Vizio P65 which is now out at select vendors, no reviews on the gaming lag yet though.
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TCL 65R615 vs. Sony 930E: 65"

I thought I'd share the benefit of my recent research/testing. Two weeks ago I got a Sony 65XBR930E from Best Buy. The TV was very well made and extremely heavy - 85 pounds and not easy to get on the wall mount! The picture was as good as promised.

Anyway, after about 10 days, I started reading reviews of the TCL 6-series. My first reaction was that it could not compare to the Sony since it was roughly 1/2 the price. However, being curious, I went back to BB and ordered the TCL65R615 which was delivered Saturday. I hooked them both up side-by-side and started my "TV beauty contest".

The best test was running both of them on the identical 4K content from YouTube. After some picture adjustments, I could not tell the difference. I'm not saying the Sony is not a better TV, but from a picture quality standpoint, they were indistinguishable (to me). They are on an enclosed porch with a lot of windows, and both TVs were plenty bright.

My final test was watching hockey, since that seems to be a good test of the motion handling capabilities. Again, the TCL seemed comparable to the Sony.

Other observations:
1. The Roku interface seems more straightforward and the remote is far simpler than the Sony remote (but the BB version lacks voice search)
2. Sound is not relevant since I'm using a sound bar
3. Back of the Sony and it's cable management system is far more comprehensive than the TCL
4. I'm not a gamer, so cannot compare on that basis.

I took the Sony back yesterday for a full refund. The Magnolia guy seemed a bit surprised, but when I told him about the TCL, his response was "Yes, I'd heard it had very good reviews.

I'm not telling anyone what to do and I know there have been issues with banding, DSE, etc. on some TCLs. Maybe I got lucky with the unit I got, but as much as I wanted to love the Sony, any differences (I could see) were marginal and certainly not worth double the money (at least my money!).

I've benefited a LOT from these forums and just wanted to give a little back. Good luck! Richard
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What is the model number for the TLC in a 75" TV like the TCL 65R615? I would love to upgrade my 11+ year old 60" rear projection sometime soon I hope. We sit about 17' back and I a 75" is no problem to fit in our room.

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What is the model number for the TLC in a 75" TV like the TCL 65R615? I would love to upgrade my 11+ year old 60" rear projection sometime soon I hope. We sit about 17' back and I a 75" is no problem to fit in our room.
TCL doesn't have a 75 inch model of the 6 series. The 2017 model C807 has a 75 inch model, but it is an edge lit panel with less than optimal black levels.
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Yeah no TCL worth considering at 75" and 17 feet away is quite a distance. You might want to look at an 85" TV such as the Sony 850F or 900F. What is your budget and what are your expectations from the new TV?
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Yeah no TCL worth considering at 75" and 17 feet away is quite a distance. You might want to look at an 85" TV such as the Sony 850F or 900F. What is your budget and what are your expectations from the new TV?
Budget is dependent on what wife says is ok, but I know the 85" is way out. I was trying to stay at or under $1500. I don't need the latest and greatest is. I rather put more money into my theater i am building. I tried to get my wife to let me bring up my 120" 16:9 screen and projector up, but she shut that down quick. She won't let me move the furniture closer either.

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Budget is dependent on what wife says is ok, but I know the 85" is way out. I was trying to stay at or under $1500. I don't need the latest and greatest is. I rather put more money into my theater i am building. I tried to get my wife to let me bring up my 120" 16:9 screen and projector up, but she shut that down quick. She won't let me move the furniture closer either.
Yeah that won't get much of anything at 75". There are a few 70" lower midrange TVs under $1,500. The 70" Vizio M70-E3 is going for under $1,300 and the new 2018 M70-F3 is being released at $1,500. These are FALD VA panel sets. The Sony KD70X690E is $1,200 but is direct lit with no local dimming.
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Budget is dependent on what wife says is ok, but I know the 85" is way out. I was trying to stay at or under $1500. I don't need the latest and greatest is. I rather put more money into my theater i am building. I tried to get my wife to let me bring up my 120" 16:9 screen and projector up, but she shut that down quick. She won't let me move the furniture closer either.
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Yeah that won't get much of anything at 75". There are a few 70" lower midrange TVs under $1,500. The 70" Vizio M70-E3 is going for under $1,300 and the new 2018 M70-F3 is being released at $1,500. These are FALD VA panel sets. The Sony KD70X690E is $1,200 but is direct lit with no local dimming.
At that budget, I would also consider the 2018 Vizio E75-F1. It has fewer FALD zones than the other TVs mentioned but it has the larger screen size.
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looking for 55inc tv no oled around 1000 to 2000 dollars
i thinking of sony x900f or samsung q7fn! you thoughts!
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looking for 55inc tv no oled around 1000 to 2000 dollars
i thinking of sony x900f or samsung q7fn! you thoughts!
The FALD Sony XBR55X900F is a better choice than the edge-lit Samsung QN55Q7FN. But now that the issues seem to have been fixed, you could look at the FALD Samsung QN55Q8F. I don't know that it's worth $700 more than the Sony XBR55X900F though.
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