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Yeah that's still a tough one. The TCL 65R617/R615 and Vizio P come to mind but both have QC issues. They are both FALD VA panels with deep blacks and good HDR and if you get a good one they are hard to beat.
Thanks for your suggestions. I may decide to hold off in that case. I was just hoping to take advantage of these Labor Day specials.
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Hi all, thanks for your help:

1. Budget: Ideally under $600

2. Seating distance: Small seating area in a bedroom alcove, so probably 6-7 feet max

3. Size/placement limitations: The area is close to a water baseboard heater, so looking for more table-like TV stands, so I have a moderate preference for TVs with center stands as opposed to legs (a rarity in this price bracket)

4. Uses and sources: 4K Netflix, DirecTV Now through 1080p Apple TV, Broadcast OTA

5. Room lighting: Mostly evening viewing so brightness shouldn't be a major issue.

Other considerations: Grey uniformity issues are something I notice, but I realize they're a reality with full array backlighting. HDR and good contrast would be nice, but I'm realistic about my price range. I also require a TV that allows overscan settings / native mode on all inputs (my parents have a LeEco x43 that crops everything on the OTA input)
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I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out with this request. I've looked into the TCL 6-Series, and although it fits my price range, grey uniformity is a concern for me so I'm wary. Thank you!
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I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out with this request. I've looked into the TCL 6-Series, and although it fits my price range, grey uniformity is a concern for me so I'm wary. Thank you!
Unless you are willing to compromise on picture quality, at $600 the options are limited. The 55 inch TCL 6 is worth trying out. Worst case, you have to box it up and return it. At 55 inches, it's easy for one person to handle and it fits in the back of a hatchback car for the return.

I have the 2017 P605 which has a worse uniformity rating than the 2018 615/617, and I'm quite happy with the picture quality. I do see some DSE on some solid screens but it doesn't bother me when watching content including sports.
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I miss the commonality of the 60" size. Or even 58".

I want to buy a new panel for my aged father. He's got a 50" plasma now. 55" is too small of an upgrade, while 65" is a little too overwhelming for the physical space.

Not a question, really. Just a frustration. I know there exist a few out there in the 60" size realm, but none of the better ones, probably.
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I miss the commonality of the 60" size. Or even 58".

I want to buy a new panel for my aged father. He's got a 50" plasma now. 55" is too small of an upgrade, while 65" is a little too overwhelming for the physical space.

Not a question, really. Just a frustration. I know there exist a few out there in the 60" size realm, but none of the better ones, probably.
Samsung UN58NU7100, Sony XBR60X830F, Sony KD60X690E - Lower mid range but likely fine for your father.
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Unless you are willing to compromise on picture quality, at $600 the options are limited. The 55 inch TCL 6 is worth trying out. Worst case, you have to box it up and return it. At 55 inches, it's easy for one person to handle and it fits in the back of a hatchback car for the return.

I have the 2017 P605 which has a worse uniformity rating than the 2018 615/617, and I'm quite happy with the picture quality. I do see some DSE on some solid screens but it doesn't bother me when watching content including sports.
Thanks for the info, it might be worth a shot then!
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current samsung 60"plasma on its last legs. Need help in chosing new tv. room has recessesed lighting that is bright. sit at least 8.5 feet away, sometimes off axis. :looking to go 55" to 65" tv and a tv that will last. Oled is not in my budget. should I care aboutDV/HDR? Of course wife wants to keep it cheap,budget 700 maybe under 1400. Thoughts? Thank you.
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Ok, I am pretty much down to the Q6 82" or NU8000 82" I think the Sony 900 is just too expensive (and the sale at costco is too good)

mainly DirecTV and Netflix

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Ok, I am pretty much down to the Q6 82" or NU8000 82" I think the Sony 900 is just too expensive (and the sale at costco is too good)

mainly DirecTV and Netflix

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Then save cash and go for the NU8000.
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Samsung UN58NU7100, Sony XBR60X830F, Sony KD60X690E - Lower mid range but likely fine for your father.
Thanks for chiming in. None of these options seem to be very good but all are probably decent enough. Skimming this thread occasionally, I know you've got a pretty good handle on the marketplace, so I'll defer to your assessment that these are likely to be the best options in this size range.

He's mostly DirectTV standard HD viewing, with a weekly Netflix standard HD movie rental, and all kinds of sports thrown in. But he's no videophile, so it wouldn't take very much to please him.

Looking at his space today, he could actually get away with a 65". Just barely but barely still works. So I'm probably looking at either the TCL 65R615 or the Hisense 65H9EPLUS. Ideally, I would keep the cost between $600 and $800, but either of these two might be the closest solid choice worthy of stretching on price. Anyone correct me if you might disagree.
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thanks for chiming in. None of these options seem to be very good but all are probably decent enough. Skimming this thread occasionally, i know you've got a pretty good handle on the marketplace, so i'll defer to your assessment that these are likely to be the best options in this size range.

He's mostly directtv standard hd viewing, with a weekly netflix standard hd movie rental, and all kinds of sports thrown in. But he's no videophile, so it wouldn't take very much to please him.

Looking at his space today, he could actually get away with a 65". Just barely but barely still works. So i'm probably looking at either the tcl 65r615 or the hisense 65h9eplus. Ideally, i would keep the cost between $600 and $800, but either of these two might be the closest solid choice worthy of stretching on price. Anyone correct me if you might disagree.
The TCL 65R615 is the better of the two.
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So I'm thinking of getting a new 4K HDR TV and have kind of narrowed it down to an OLED or the new Vizio Quantum P. That seems like the top LED option at the moment, and I'm not sure slightly better blacks make up for an extra ~$1000. My goal is to watch high quality Netflix/HBO, occasional movies, console gaming, and occasionally hooking up my high end PC to it in my dark basement. I really like bright colors and a sharp picture.

My real question then is, since I'm not in a HUGE hurry (only have normal PS4, not sure if it's worth upgrading to a PS4 Pro if I already have the normal one, and would also kinda like a Switch...), is there anything major happening in the TV technology realm that would make waiting for something that we know is coming next year? I know people are talking about a new HDMI standard, so if I tend to use TVs for 5-8 years (currently using a 2011 Panasonic 55" ST30 that still looks pretty nice as far as I'm concerned), is there any good reason to wait while we have seemingly good deals like $1500 for the new Quantum P tempting me? Just don't want to feel buyer's remorse as something big on the horizon comes along. Thanks!
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So I'm thinking of getting a new 4K HDR TV and have kind of narrowed it down to an OLED or the new Vizio Quantum P. That seems like the top LED option at the moment, and I'm not sure slightly better blacks make up for an extra ~$1000. My goal is to watch high quality Netflix/HBO, occasional movies, console gaming, and occasionally hooking up my high end PC to it in my dark basement. I really like bright colors and a sharp picture.

My real question then is, since I'm not in a HUGE hurry (only have normal PS4, not sure if it's worth upgrading to a PS4 Pro if I already have the normal one, and would also kinda like a Switch...), is there anything major happening in the TV technology realm that would make waiting for something that we know is coming next year? I know people are talking about a new HDMI standard, so if I tend to use TVs for 5-8 years (currently using a 2011 Panasonic 55" ST30 that still looks pretty nice as far as I'm concerned), is there any good reason to wait while we have seemingly good deals like $1500 for the new Quantum P tempting me? Just don't want to feel buyer's remorse as something big on the horizon comes along. Thanks!
There's always something new on the horizon. But if that is your OCD and you can't get past it, while also preferring bright TVs, investing just $1,500 in the PQ isn't a bad idea.
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There's always something new on the horizon. But if that is your OCD and you can't get past it, while also preferring bright TVs, investing just $1,500 in the PQ isn't a bad idea.
For sure! I just haven't really followed any TV news announcements and figured you guys are on top of this stuff and am wondering if you guys know of anything coming in the next year or so that would be any sort of "game changer." Thanks! Going to keep reading reviews of the PQ as it starts becoming more available now.
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For sure! I just haven't really followed any TV news announcements and figured you guys are on top of this stuff and am wondering if you guys know of anything coming in the next year or so that would be any sort of "game changer." Thanks! Going to keep reading reviews of the PQ as it starts becoming more available now.
HDMI 2.1 with eARC and the ability to accept higher data rate content is probably coming next year. Also ATSC 3.0 which means 4K HDR and object oriented audio (ie. Dolby ATMOS) broadcast TV capabilities. However there is very little if any content to take advantage of these technologies at the moment, so it would really only serve to provide some future proofing.

The Vizio PQ is in a good sweet spot right now to take advantage of the current technologies without spending a lot. It's well known for the high brightness but it is very underrated for the quality of black levels. Rtngs has it rated right behind the OLEDs and the Samsung Q9FN for contrast levels with local dimming.
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HDMI 2.1 with eARC and the ability to accept higher data rate content is probably coming next year. Also ATSC 3.0 which means 4K HDR and object oriented audio (ie. Dolby ATMOS) broadcast TV capabilities. However there is very little if any content to take advantage of these technologies at the moment, so it would really only serve to provide some future proofing.

The Vizio PQ is in a good sweet spot right now to take advantage of the current technologies without spending a lot. It's well known for the high brightness but it is very underrated for the quality of black levels. Rtngs has it rated right behind the OLEDs and the Samsung Q9FN for contrast levels with local dimming.
The Vizio PG is a no brainier for what you are looking for. If you want to save more money the regular P series is no slouch either.
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Hello,



Hard decision for me, this is going above a fireplace mantle at 48"


Sony 75" 940E vs Vizio 65 PQ . The difference in price is about $700 for me.


Both seem like their reflection handling would be enough for my bright and wall of windows Family Room.


Both seem to be special panels with extra good viewing angles for VA's.


Cost isn't really the concern because resale on TV's for me is not easy to do so it would be there for a while.



Also I have a Sonos sound system but I've auditioned it and I STILL prefer most stock TV sounds to them.. maybe because of LIP Sync plague issues but it just seems more natural to me. So the 940E is the winner there.


A lot of people I've seen recommend screen Real Estate first if you're on the fence??


Viewing distance from main couch is 14ft



Thanks

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Hard decision for me, this is going above a fireplace mantle at 48"


Sony 75" 940E vs Vizio 65 PQ . The difference in price is about $700 for me.


Both seem like their reflection handling would be enough for my bright and wall of windows Family Room.


Both seem to be special panels with extra good viewing angles for VA's.


Cost isn't really the concern because resale on TV's for me is not easy to do so it would be there for a while.



Also I have a Sonos sound system but I've auditioned it and I STILL prefer most stock TV sounds to them.. maybe because of LIP Sync plague issues but it just seems more natural to me. So the 940E is the winner there.


A lot of people I've seen recommend screen Real Estate first if you're on the fence??


Viewing distance from main couch is 14ft



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Go with the Sony.
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Is the Sony 65" Z9D at $2,299 a good price or would you guys spend $150 more and get the
Samsung 65" Q9FN at $2,449?
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current samsung 60"plasma on its last legs. Need help in chosing new tv. room has recessesed lighting that is bright. sit at least 8.5 feet away, sometimes off axis. :looking to go 55" to 65" tv and a tv that will last. Oled is not in my budget. should I care aboutDV/HDR? Of course wife wants to keep it cheap,budget 700 maybe under 1300. Thoughts? Thank you.
yhpughts alsoon lg sk800 also. would prefer to buy gtomcodtco due to extra warranty. thank uou
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current samsung 60"plasma on its last legs. Need help in chosing new tv. room has recessesed lighting that is bright. sit at least 8.5 feet away, sometimes off axis. :looking to go 55" to 65" tv and a tv that will last. Oled is not in my budget. should I care aboutDV/HDR? Of course wife wants to keep it cheap,budget 700 maybe under 1400. Thoughts? Thank you.
current samsung 60"plasma on its last legs. Need help in chosing new tv. room has recessesed lighting that is bright. sit at least 8.5 feet away, sometimes off axis. :looking to go 55" to 65" tv and a tv that will last. Oled is not in my budget. should I care aboutDV/HDR? Of course wife wants to keep it cheap,budget 700 maybe under 1300. Thoughts? Thank you.
yhpughts alsoon lg sk800 also. would prefer to buy gtomcodtco due to extra warranty. thank you. thoughts on lg sk800. sorry for double post and bad spelling, had a stroke.
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Could anyone compare the traditional sound of TV audio of the 940e vs the sound on the Sony acoustic OLED?


I'm really wanting to just use the TV audio at this point. (even trying out a playbase sonos) (lip sync issues)


I know my viewing distance is kind of far but wondering if oled+the tv audio might beat the 940E's 75" size..


Also my side couch under the 4' mantle is only 8-9Ft viewing distance, main couch is 13 ft.


Lip Sync always plagued me and I think this could really fix me up with the Sony A1E...

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What is your usage?

If you're a gamer, get the Q9FN. If movies are your priority, get the Z9D.
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Could anyone compare the traditional sound of TV audio of the 940e vs the sound on the Sony acoustic OLED?


I'm really wanting to just use the TV audio at this point. (even trying out a playbase sonos)


I know my viewing distance is kind of far but wondering if oled+the tv audio might beat the 940E's 75" size..
The Sony A1E sound is quite a bit better than the 940E, but at 14 feet you really need the 75" screen rather than a 65".
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The Sony A1E sound is quite a bit better than the 940E, but at 14 feet you really need the 75" screen rather than a 65".

My side couch under the 4' mantle is only 8-9Ft viewing distance, main couch is actually 12-13 ft.


With that side couch consideration and the 4' High fireplace mantle might the OLED be more contender? I don't think either would have problem with bright room/reflections really..



Lip Sync always plagued me and I think this could really fix me up with the Sony A1E... Sonos I've had to dial it in.. and it still doesn't appeal to me that much.I've also had a full setup that didn't appeal -- I must be a odd ball.
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My side couch under the 4' mantle is only 8-9Ft viewing distance, main couch is actually 12-13 ft.

With that side couch consideration and the 4' High fireplace mantle might the OLED be more contender? I don't think either would have problem with bright room/reflections really..
Your two seating areas are conflicting. The 8-9 Ft. off angle area needs a 65" OLED while the 12-13 Ft. main couch needs an 82" or 85" LCD. The sound in the 940E is better than most LCDs but if you need high volume at 12-13 Ft. it might sound a bit thin.
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Your two seating areas are conflicting. The 8-9 Ft. off angle area needs a 65" OLED while the 12-13 Ft. main couch needs an 82" or 85" LCD. The sound in the 940E is better than most LCDs but if you need high volume at 12-13 Ft. it might sound a bit thin.

Can you compare the sound to the a1e? The acoustic sound is intriguing me. I'm going to see if my bestbuy can demo for me..


I have a 55' first gen oled LG calib by ChadB and the magenta reflections have always bugged me.. Say if I tilt it down enough it should fix it.


Do most people prefer OLED over fald lcd... I don't get how the brightness nits defeats glare? I guess the a1e doesn't have as high rating though as some of the newest panels.
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I am trying to decide on a 75 inch for my movie room, I currently have a 65 inch Sony 950b, I was considering the 75 inch Sony 940e. It’s a dark room with direct view, mostly movies but sports as well, football predominantly. Any other sets I should be considering or is this a good set for me?
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considering the 55U7A to replace my old P42G30

Hi all, thanks for your help:

1. Budget: under £600

2. Seating distance: around 2-3 meters max

3. Size/placement limitations: no limitations (apartment living room)

4. Uses and sources: 4K Netflix, 4K Youtube, Freeview HD, Gaming console, Chromecast, (possible Sound Bar)

5. Room lighting: big top to down window will be on the left side of the tv. (but hey, it's the UK, it will be cloudy!)

Other considerations:
I’m considering this Hisense 55U7A tv to replace my old Panasonic P42G30.

I’ve seen/read reviews of this tv on youtube from techfigure and a review from another website avforums.

I’m not very (at all) technical… I think that one of the (most?) negative points is regarding HDR. Not even sure what that is.
The only way I have to compare this, is to actually know this: Is the TV a good step forward for my Panasonic?
The TV costs £600 which is my max budget. (Just for comparison, I started with a 400 budget…)

Let me know your thoughts
Thank you for your time and help
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Unless you are willing to compromise on picture quality, at $600 the options are limited. The 55 inch TCL 6 is worth trying out. Worst case, you have to box it up and return it. At 55 inches, it's easy for one person to handle and it fits in the back of a hatchback car for the return.

I have the 2017 P605 which has a worse uniformity rating than the 2018 615/617, and I'm quite happy with the picture quality. I do see some DSE on some solid screens but it doesn't bother me when watching content including sports.

After further consideration I'm thinking of upping my budget to ~$1000, uniformity and accuracy are my primary concerns. My primary use case will be streaming, OTA broadcasts, and DirecTV Now.

I'm considering a 49in Sony X900F or a Vizio P Series, but i hear the Sony X930E is superior to the X900F in terms of brightness and local dimming? Are the Sonys worth the premium over the TCL-6/Vizio P? I want something dependable that will last 5-7 years.
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