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Best for sports/action movies? Edge lit or FALD
Does 60 vs 120 native refresh rate matter?
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I'm in a decision predicament of sorts, any advice would be appreciated. I'm currently living with my mom, and it's time for a TV upgrade. I don't plan on living here for much more than a couple of months, and whatever I buy will stay with her. Which means that I'll be buying something larger and higher end for myself shortly as well. Due to her living room furniture, 55" will definitely be the size. I've been kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on the red P55-F1 deal that Dell had recently. Since then I've come close to purchasing an 55R617, the fact that it's 60Hz is the only real reason that I haven't. I really don't want to pay the going price for Vizio P55-F1, seeing as I missed out on a much better price and that the 65" at its current price is an infinitely better deal. Here's a recent curveball...I can get a 55QN7CN for about the same price as the Vizio P55-F1. What to do, what to do?
For your mother, the 55Q7CN. Smart features, remote, TV shows are significantly better. Probably has the edge in reliability.

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For your mother, the 55Q7CN. Smart features, remote, TV shows are significantly better. Probably has the edge in reliability.

Vizio P55-F1

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2018

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https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q7cn
Got the Q. There was one at a Best Buy about 30 miles away, it was both a tad uncomfortable and highly satisfying having them price match for basically half off their own clearance price.
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Good choice, enjoy your X900F.

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Thank you all for the input, and advice. Have purchased the X900F, and will have it delivered on the 11th, sheesh i'm glad that's over Now to enjoy it once its in my home. HAHA!!!! Ciao!! ♥♥♥
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I'm looking to upgrade my 2015 50" Vizio M Series to a 65".

I have been torn between the Vizio PQ-65F1 and Sony X900F as well as wondering if I should wait for 2019 models to come out.

I don't want to spend much more than ~$1500 and definitely settled on a 65", for a 9' viewing distance.

Any help or advice is appreciated, thanks!
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I'm looking to upgrade my 2015 50" Vizio M Series to a 65".

I have been torn between the Vizio PQ-65F1 and Sony X900F as well as wondering if I should wait for 2019 models to come out.

I don't want to spend much more than ~$1500 and definitely settled on a 65", for a 9' viewing distance.

Any help or advice is appreciated, thanks!
Those are both really solid choices. I would say go see them in person, though that can be hit or miss... I know for my local store the Sony and Vizio models are playing wildly different media and comparisons are hard.

I don't think there's any reason to wait for 2019 models. CNET did a look at upcoming changes and guessing on whether anything will change much, and the answer was basically no for these TVs. If you're a gamer though I think the Sony 900 series will drop input lag, might be worth looking at that.
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Those are both really solid choices. I would say go see them in person, though that can be hit or miss... I know for my local store the Sony and Vizio models are playing wildly different media and comparisons are hard.

I don't think there's any reason to wait for 2019 models. CNET did a look at upcoming changes and guessing on whether anything will change much, and the answer was basically no for these TVs. If you're a gamer though I think the Sony 900 series will drop input lag, might be worth looking at that.
Good point, I will try to find somewhere that has both on display, if possible. Even though it's more expensive I'm leaning towards the X900F just because it will fit on my current (admittedly kind of small) TV stand.

Though I also need to upgrade my sound, just have a budget Vizio soundbar from 2015, so a new media center is probably warranted.
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Good point, I will try to find somewhere that has both on display, if possible. Even though it's more expensive I'm leaning towards the X900F just because it will fit on my current (admittedly kind of small) TV stand.

Though I also need to upgrade my sound, just have a budget Vizio soundbar from 2015, so a new media center is probably warranted.
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Those are both really solid choices. I would say go see them in person, though that can be hit or miss... I know for my local store the Sony and Vizio models are playing wildly different media and comparisons are hard.

I don't think there's any reason to wait for 2019 models. CNET did a look at upcoming changes and guessing on whether anything will change much, and the answer was basically no for these TVs. If you're a gamer though I think the Sony 900 series will drop input lag, might be worth looking at that.
I'm not sure that anywhere other than maybe Costco or Sam's would have the PQ on display at this point, and I don't think either of them carries the 900f.

The 2019 Sonys are already out. They released an 850g and 950g, so did not directly replace the 900f. (The 950g is a bit of a step up.) What this means is that the 900f is probably not going to be heavily discounted until next year.

On the other hand, the 2019 Vizios should be out fairly soon (their low-end models are just starting to show up online). It sounds like this year's P might be comparable (or close) to last years PQ, and on top of the new PQ, there's a PQ-X series. So waiting a few weeks or a month might bring another round of price drops on the 2018 Vizios.

(I've been looking at the same sets, but in the 75" size, so I have to wait since the 2018 PQ only came in a 65".)
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Though I also need to upgrade my sound, just have a budget Vizio soundbar from 2015, so a new media center is probably warranted.
I was in Best Buy yesterday. If you're planning on getting a new sound bar, they had a bundle deal with the Sony. I forget the amount, but it was a decent discount if you buy the 900f and a sound bar.

They had also just put out a huge pile of open-box and clearance gear, which I think they do system-wide, so you might check your local store. Stay away from open-box TVs, but speakers might be worth investigating.
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Costco listing the PQ at 1399 this week. However our Costco does not have the PQ.

They also got the new Sony 850G I saw it in 55 & 65 there. This 850 model does have Dolby Vision. The 850f did not. Viewing angle is really good (due to the Ips panel).Still edge lit though. I think it around $1300. I thought it looked better than the Vizio.
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1. Budget: Up to $1000 USD
2. Seating Distance: 8'
3. Size/placement limitations: 65", possible 75"
4. Uses and sources: Tivo Roamio and Roku. We mostly stream netflix 95% of the time
5. Room lighting: The real reason i'm here. We currently have a Panasonic Plasma with a glass screen, but the windows and light reflections behind our seating position make it really hard to watch during the day time without having to close them all the time. What are some good TVs with maybe a matte screen? I would like to get a 4K TV as well.

I have never been well versed on the LCD side of TVs and have been out of the TV scene since i got my plasma. A lot has changed and its hard to keep up with if its not your full time job it seems lol
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Side note to save others a little time: Costco's website has the 75" 850G listed under 70" TVs, not 75" TVs. Sigh. . .
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1. Budget: Up to $1000 USD
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4. Uses and sources: Tivo Roamio and Roku. We mostly stream netflix 95% of the time
5. Room lighting: The real reason i'm here. We currently have a Panasonic Plasma with a glass screen, but the windows and light reflections behind our seating position make it really hard to watch during the day time without having to close them all the time. What are some good TVs with maybe a matte screen? I would like to get a 4K TV as well.

I have never been well versed on the LCD side of TVs and have been out of the TV scene since i got my plasma. A lot has changed and its hard to keep up with if its not your full time job it seems lol
70" 4K UHD HDR less than $1K. Semi-gloss screen. May be cheaper elsewhere. Just one example, may be others. Good luck.

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1. Budget: Up to $1000 USD
2. Seating Distance: 8'
3. Size/placement limitations: 65", possible 75"
4. Uses and sources: Tivo Roamio and Roku. We mostly stream netflix 95% of the time
5. Room lighting: The real reason i'm here. We currently have a Panasonic Plasma with a glass screen, but the windows and light reflections behind our seating position make it really hard to watch during the day time without having to close them all the time. What are some good TVs with maybe a matte screen? I would like to get a 4K TV as well.

I have never been well versed on the LCD side of TVs and have been out of the TV scene since i got my plasma. A lot has changed and its hard to keep up with if its not your full time job it seems lol
At 8' viewing distance, you should get at least a 65" TV. It would be tough to get a decent quality 75" within your budget. The best performing 65" TV within your budget for anti reflection performance is the LG SK8000. See the rankings below.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...tte-and-glossy

The LG has issues though being an IPS panel, which means better viewing angles but poorer blacks. Since you're coming from a quality Plasma, I doubt you'd be happy with the black levels of an IPS panel. You might want to expand your criteria beyond reflection performance. The best overall 65" TV in your budget is the Vizio P65. Also consider the TCL R617 and Samsung NU8000
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I've had my beloved 65JS9500 since 2015. Nothing wrong with it, and I still love it very much, but I think I'm finally breaking down and deciding that the TVs of the last year or two are too good to ignore. I hate, hate, hate losing 3D, but everything I read tells me that HDR performance has significantly improved since I got the JS9500.

I'd be curious from people that may have owned or viewed a JS9500 before what you think a real significant upgrade would be. It must be at least 65". I don't really want to go over $2500, unless something in that neighborhood is really worth it.

The 3 TVs I keep seeing when I look up reviews are the Vizio PQ65, Sony x900f, and Samsung Q8. What would you all recommend between these, or perhaps some other TV that I haven't come across yet. I only want to pull the trigger if it is indeed a big improvement over my JS9500.
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Size: 65" or 75"
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I plan on buying an AVR or soundbar (yes, I know other types of receivers are better but there is a convenience factor here). My budget listed above is in USD, despite the fact that I've lived in Canada for just over 5 years now and will be making my purchase in Canada (unfortunately, for reasons listed near the end).

I'm finally upgrading from a 2010 46" Samsung UN46C6900 and while I had been holding off since last year in hopes the 2019 flagship televisions would officially have HDMI 2.1 hardware as more of the new standard, from everything I've read thus far, the Q90R sounds like the model for me to go all-in on, despite not being as future-proof for video games as I might prefer. I'm too eager to updgrade since it has been so long and I am also debating going OLED and get something like the HDMI 2.1 LG C9 (77"?). My family and I are using it primarily for gaming (PlayStation Pro) and Netflix/streaming, so I am hoping the VRR and ALLM on the Q90R will satisfy, despite being 2.0b HDMI, but I'm also looking to research more on the 2019 flagship LG and Sony models for this year. I see 8K as unnecessary for my needs, despite planning to make this big purchase and not getting another set until another 6 to 9 years or so. Would the Q90R meet my needs that I listed so far, or should I wait more until later this year?

There is some small frustration in that companies like Samsung Canada do not have the EPP program or give a discount when purchasing a QLED and an AVR/Soundbar combo. I just saw the 75" Q90R is available on the Samsung website for the first time today, while it is still not listed in Best Buy Canada and it is listed as at least a month away on Amazon Canada.

Does anyone know when 2019 75" TVs might be more common to find this year? Do the 2019 4K flagships, like the Samsung Q90R, fluxuate in price much over the course of the year, or is it truly around Black Friday that any kind of discounts would appear?

Should I truly be patient and try again in 2020 for increased likelihood for HDMI 2.1 certified sets, or is there a TV in the 2019 series of TVs that should do me just fine for the next 6 or 7 years? I indicated, I had my mind set towards the Q90R, but since it is such a big purchase for me, I am keeping my mind open to other models from different manufacturers with suggestions from you all!

Any purchasing advice to meet my needs would be absolutely appreciated! Thank you in advance for your time.
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I've had my beloved 65JS9500 since 2015. Nothing wrong with it, and I still love it very much, but I think I'm finally breaking down and deciding that the TVs of the last year or two are too good to ignore. I hate, hate, hate losing 3D, but everything I read tells me that HDR performance has significantly improved since I got the JS9500.

I'd be curious from people that may have owned or viewed a JS9500 before what you think a real significant upgrade would be. It must be at least 65". I don't really want to go over $2500, unless something in that neighborhood is really worth it.

The 3 TVs I keep seeing when I look up reviews are the Vizio PQ65, Sony x900f, and Samsung Q8. What would you all recommend between these, or perhaps some other TV that I haven't come across yet. I only want to pull the trigger if it is indeed a big improvement over my JS9500.
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Size: 65" or 75"
Budget: Up to ~$5k-6k

Wanting to Buy: Sooner rather than later
Next Intended TV Purchase After This: 6-9 years

I plan on buying an AVR or soundbar (yes, I know other types of receivers are better but there is a convenience factor here). My budget listed above is in USD, despite the fact that I've lived in Canada for just over 5 years now and will be making my purchase in Canada (unfortunately, for reasons listed near the end).

Any purchasing advice to meet my needs would be absolutely appreciated! Thank you in advance for your time.
Since you're in Canada, 1. Panasonic 2. Sony, and for retailing, Visions.ca Current sales on '17 and '18, and special orders on '19. Sales on AVRs, etc.

Good luck. Have fun.
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You are correct, they no longer have the X940E, so it seems that it will have to be the X900F. We went yesterday one last time to look, and they where really pushing the Q70, and Q80 but I explained to them that was out of my budget, but they stated the the side lit TV was much better than the Sony Full Array, and it is the TV closes to OLED, going one step further and saying that the Q6F was as well. I'm really confused lol cause at this point they are all starting to look the same to me. From the reveiws that I have read, its almost like each brand has their own niche but have seen many stating that the X900F, now the new X950F are the closes and top choices. I would like to purchase today the X900F but just want to make sure it is the right choice. Also, do i need to purchase their extended warranty?


Forgot to mention also, I will need a longer HDMI cable to run from my receiver to the new TV, do i need to purchase the expensive monster cable or can i just get one from Amazon, if so could you please recommend one. Thank you.

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Stick with it.
+1. Especially if you don't want to give up 3D. HDR is nice but not really worth upgrading from an excellent 2015 4K TV.
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Please, help me to choose between Sony XF900 2018 and new 2019 Samsung Q70R 65 inch.
Samsung still not here and will cost more, at least first few months.
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Hello, i find myself in quite a predicament.

My Samsung F86 recently died after serving me faithfully for what feels like an eternity.

I fell in absolute love with the sony Z9D/ZD9, so much so that i have searched far and long for one to purchase.

Well i found one. For 2000€.

Only issue is this: after checking the service menu, i sadly saw the TV has been on for ~9900hours, or about 5-6 years of regular usage.

It really is an amazing panel, everything works flawlessly, however 10K hours is definitely a factor.

Q9FN and OLED are out of the question because of subtitle-caused light fluctuation and low brightness respectively, and Q90R is currently out of my price range.


What would you do, if you were in love?


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I fell in absolute love with the sony Z9D/ZD9, so much so that i have searched far and long for one to purchase.
Well i found one. For 2000€.
Only issue is this: after checking the service menu, i sadly saw the TV has been on for ~9900hours, or about 5-6 years of regular usage.
It really is an amazing panel, everything works flawlessly, however 10K hours is definitely a factor.
What would you do, if you were in love?
If you're a moderate viewer, you may get 5 - 6 years. Sounds like you've used your eyes, as well as your heart. Warranty, return policy, should be considered. Good luck.



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What would you do, if you were in love?
You're just infatuated, love takes time. By the time you love it, it will be time to replace it. 10,000 hours on such a bright TV is not good, especially if it was sitting in a TV showroom setup in the torch mode. LEDs could start popping at any time. Run away, buy a nice shiny new TV.
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Hello, i find myself in quite a predicament.
My Samsung F86 recently died after serving me faithfully for what feels like an eternity.
I fell in absolute love with the sony Z9D/ZD9, so much so that i have searched far and long for one to purchase.
Well i found one. For 2000€.
Only issue is this: after checking the service menu, i sadly saw the TV has been on for ~9900hours, or about 5-6 years of regular usage.
It really is an amazing panel, everything works flawlessly, however 10K hours is definitely a factor.
Q9FN and OLED are out of the question because of subtitle-caused light fluctuation and low brightness respectively, and Q90R is currently out of my price range.
What would you do, if you were in love?

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1) The Z9d was released in the spring of 2016 so 5-6 yrs of use didn't happen which brings me to my second point.
2) I believe the hours on the service menu include the hours the TV is in standby mode ie we think the TV is off but it is really in standby mode
3) 9900 hours = 412 24 hour days, so since standby hours are included in the total that really isn't that many days.

Offer 1500 euros and see what they say. Knowledge is power.

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1) The Z9d was released in the spring of 2016 so 5-6 yrs of use didn't happen which brings me to my second point.
5-6yrs of "regular" use, given 6hrs a day



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2) I believe the hours on the service menu include the hours the TV is in standby mode ie we think the TV is off but it is really in standby mode
I don't think that applies, at least from the z9d thread.. also the panel hours are approximately the same as the runtime hours, which kinda makes me think they really had it ondisplay


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3) 9900 hours = 412 24 hour days, so since standby hours are included in the total that really isn't that many days.
They only run it for 13hrs 6days a week. That comes out at around 2.5 years if i calculated correctly

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Offer 1500 euros and see what they say. Knowledge is power.
Yep! Gonna offer them 1400 today, let's see what they're gonna say. Thank you!
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You're just infatuated, love takes time. By the time you love it, it will be time to replace it. 10,000 hours on such a bright TV is not good, especially if it was sitting in a TV showroom setup in the torch mode. LEDs could start popping at any time. Run away, buy a nice shiny new TV.
I know, it's really off-putting, but it's the very last ZD9 i could find in a 2000km radius 😢
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I had a post here and it seems like it got deleted (??) so I'll try again. Maybe I should follow the instructions on the first page.

1. Budget
$2000CAD (which is about $1500US)
2. Seating distance
8-9ft
3. Size/placement limitations
I am pretty settled on a 65" set. I was considering 55" so I could afford an OLED
4. Uses and sources
A lot of streaming: Netflix, Hulu, iTunes movies (I already have many in 4K), satellite dish for sports, and some UHD discs will be used as well.
5. Room lighting
Room is on the main floor with a couple north-facing windows with curtains. There is plenty of natural light but we do most of our viewing in the evening/night time hours.

I think I'm down to the following options:
Vizio P Quantum for $1979 + 13% sales tax
Sony X900F for $1799 + 13% sales tax
55" LG C8 for $1799 + 13% tax


I don't what to do!

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