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What's the best 65" 4K edge-lit LCD that has HDR and DV, for watching cable, UHD BR, a little streaming In a room that is not completely dark?

Coming from a 55" LG LM7600 which I think has really good PQ.

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What's the best 65" 4K edge-lit LCD that has HDR and DV, for watching cable, UHD BR, a little streaming In a room that is not completely dark?
Coming from a 55" LG LM7600 which I think has really good PQ.
Maybe this one?

https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65SM8600PUA-4k-uhd-tv

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What's the best 65" 4K edge-lit LCD that has HDR and DV, for watching cable, UHD BR, a little streaming In a room that is not completely dark?

Coming from a 55" LG LM7600 which I think has really good PQ.

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Why do want edge lit? Edge lit is generally inferior to FALD as far as local dimming and HDR are concerned. The benefit to edge lit is a slimmer TV.

Also you mentioned LG which produces all most exclusively IPS LCDs which have grayish blacks, uniformity issues, backlight bleed, etc. Is there some reason you want an IPS panel? A VA panel is better in every way and there are even VA panels from Samsung and Sony now that have wide viewing angles similar to IPS panels.
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Samsung Q9FN or Sony 900F?

75 inches on both. Price the same on both. Authorized dealer. Which would you choose? Go!
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Samsung Q9FN.
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First post after lots of lurking and research. Think it has come down to 65Q70R or 65Q8FN? Also, trying to decide between Sonos Beam, Playbar or Samsung HW-Q70R. Room is 12 by 17 (25 if watching from dining room) with TV mounted above the fireplace. Used for Xbox One and streaming. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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First post after lots of lurking and research. Think it has come down to 65Q70R or 65Q8FN? Also, trying to decide between Sonos Beam, Playbar or Samsung HW-Q70R. Room is 12 by 17 (25 if watching from dining room) with TV mounted above the fireplace. Used for Xbox One and streaming. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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Lot of light in the room? Get the Q8, better ambient light rejection.


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Why do want edge lit? Edge lit is generally inferior to FALD as far as local dimming and HDR are concerned. The benefit to edge lit is a slimmer TV.



Also you mentioned LG which produces all most exclusively IPS LCDs which have grayish blacks, uniformity issues, backlight bleed, etc. Is there some reason you want an IPS panel? A VA panel is better in every way and there are even VA panels from Samsung and Sony now that have wide viewing angles similar to IPS panels.
From what little I have seen, few have gotten FALD right, with a lot of issues with seeing the back light behind supposedly dark scenes (950G with the Matrix scene comes to mind). I guess I could turn LD off and utilize the FA. To me, unless there are infinite zones, and infinite CR, FALD has not been implemented well.

I'm not hard over on LG, just said I'm coming from an older one and thought it has good PQ

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From what little I have seen, few have gotten FALD right, with a lot of issues with seeing the back light behind supposedly dark scenes (950G with the Matrix scene comes to mind). I guess I could turn LD off and utilize the FA. To me, unless there are infinite zones, and infinite CR, FALD has not been implemented well.

I'm not hard over on LG, just said I'm coming from an older one and thought it has good PQ

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Some thoughts:

Edge dimming is even worse than iffy FALD.

In some TVs (Samsung for example) you can't turn local dimming off.

Infinite CR with maximum zones would be an OLED where every pixel is individually controlled.
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Lot of light in the room? Get the Q8, better ambient light rejection.


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There are windows with shutters across one whole side of the room. Would rather not have to close the shutters every time we want to watch TV. Thanks for the input.
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Thinking of replacing my XS955 CRT but I am unsure if there is anything out there that I would consider an upgrade.
I currently use it for mostly gaming and some movies. It's set for 1035p for PC gaming and does anything from 480i to 1035p

PS2, PS3, PS4, Roku, Sat, are all connected.


I've already been researching the Z9D and Z9F, both look promising with some upgrades and downgrades over my CRT.

I'm leaning towards the X900F due to less lag and I do worry about the angles of viewing, especially on a larger screen.
However, the price of both of these is too high, at-least new. So, what about the X940e vs the X900f or maybe the 950g




1. Budget
$1500 or less (this can be used or refurb)



2. Seating distance
About 5-6 feet as of now but I am flexible


3. Size/placement limitations
65 inch would be the maximum size my space would work with. I would prefer something smaller.


4. Uses and sources
Video Games 480i to 4k, consoles to PC



5. Room lighting
Yes, I currently have bias lighting behind the TV.

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I'm leaning towards the Z9F due to less lag and I do worry about the angles of viewing, especially on a larger screen.

1. Budget
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Your budget is $1,500 or less and you're leaning towards a $3,500 TV? The cheapest Sony Z9F 65" currently on ebay is $2,800 which still nearly double your budget. The 65" Samsung Q80R with wide viewing angles and VRR is also $2,800.
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Your budget is $1,500 or less and you're leaning towards a $3,500 TV? The cheapest Sony Z9F 65" currently on ebay is $2,800 which still nearly double your budget. The 65" Samsung Q80R with wide viewing angles and VRR is also $2,800.

I meant the 900F, sorry.

But, I'm sure a used or floor model could be had for under 2K.
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I meant the 900F, sorry.

But, I'm sure a used or floor model could be had for under 2K.
Samsung 55Q8FN is available for $1100 and the 65" for $1500 currently
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I meant the 900F, sorry.

But, I'm sure a used or floor model could be had for under 2K.
The 900F does not have the wide viewing angles you want.
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The 900F does not have the wide viewing angles you want.

I'm actually not sure I need the wide viewing angles as I sit directly in-front of the screen. I imagine a smaller screen, like a 49 or 55 inch, would work fine.
The 950G sounds like more in line with what I want for gaming as it has lower lag compared to the X900f and 930/40e units.
I will look around at some TV's this weekend.
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I was thinking of upgrading my 32" Samsung TV to a bigger size 43" TV, not so much because of the higher resolution (I won't be watching any 4K content), but but mostly because I want a bigger size TV. I was debating about getting this Sony TV, but it was $650 at the time when I was looking to buy it. Now that it dropped to $550 and is available at my nearby Best Buy, I was thinking of picking it up.

This is the TV I am looking to buy:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-43...?skuId=5748210

I want this TV because I want something with a center stand and also, it has plenty of ports, especially HDMI. And I saw this TV on display at Best Buy and I, personally, think it has such a great picture.

Anyone here feel this TV is worth picking up this weekend for $550? Or are there any caveats that anyone here feels I should be aware of?
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I was thinking of upgrading my 32" Samsung TV to a bigger size 43" TV, not so much because of the higher resolution (I won't be watching any 4K content), but but mostly because I want a bigger size TV. I was debating about getting this Sony TV, but it was $650 at the time when I was looking to buy it. Now that it dropped to $550 and is available at my nearby Best Buy, I was thinking of picking it up.

This is the TV I am looking to buy:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-43...?skuId=5748210

I want this TV because I want something with a center stand and also, it has plenty of ports, especially HDMI. And I saw this TV on display at Best Buy and I, personally, think it has such a great picture.

Anyone here feel this TV is worth picking up this weekend for $550? Or are there any caveats that anyone here feels I should be aware of?
I guess my only caveat is that it scored a bit lower for picture quality vs the TCL 5-series, and the TCL 43S515 is on a Best Buy daily deal today for $250. I just bought the 43S515 at the "normal" price of $280, and have been loving it for the last couple weeks. Really exceeded my expectations for a small-ish edge-lit super cheap TV.

In favor of the Sony:
-Center stand, as you said (though a VESA stand could be had and still stay way under $550 total I would think)
-IPS panel, so wider viewing angles (though personally, VA off-axis viewing only bothers me with dark movie content)

In favor of the TCL:
-Amazing deal
-Better PQ, especially contrast
-Awesome Roku software. I haven't tried Sony's but the Roku is usually rated higher.

Here's the RTings comparison, although the X800E is estimated from an older test version: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...&threshold=0.1
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I guess my only caveat is that it scored a bit lower for picture quality vs the TCL 5-series, and the TCL 43S515 is on a Best Buy daily deal today for $250. I just bought the 43S515 at the "normal" price of $280, and have been loving it for the last couple weeks. Really exceeded my expectations for a small-ish edge-lit super cheap TV.

In favor of the Sony:
-Center stand, as you said (though a VESA stand could be had and still stay way under $550 total I would think)
-IPS panel, so wider viewing angles (though personally, VA off-axis viewing only bothers me with dark movie content)

In favor of the TCL:
-Amazing deal
-Better PQ, especially contrast
-Awesome Roku software. I haven't tried Sony's but the Roku is usually rated higher.

Here's the RTings comparison, although the X800E is estimated from an older test version: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...&threshold=0.1

Is TCL really a good brand? It certainly is a not a big name brand like Sony or Samsung, so that is why I never considered it.
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Is TCL really a good brand? It certainly is a not a big name brand like Sony or Samsung, so that is why I never considered it.
It's a Chinese brand that's been taking off like a freakin' rocket ship the last 3 years or so. This year they've gotten top recommendations from all the top reviewing sites (CNET and RTINGS are the two best, IMO).

The one big caveat with them is quality control when it comes to their FALD screens, so really just with the 6-series. Lots of reports of dirty-screen-effect (DSE) with the 6-series 55" and 65", what people call the "panel lottery" as they return it to get a clean one, but then I've been tracking the 75" which came out later and they've seemed to largely iron that out.

But DSE essentially isn't a thing for the small 5-series we're talking about here. It's edge-lit so the lighting is very uniform, you do see some blooming near the corners on black screens but that's exactly the same as any other edge-lit TV no matter the price. And I'd actually bet it would be less blooming than with the IPS panel Sony you mentioned.

TL;DR: I would wholeheartedly recommend the TCL 5-series, especially for the small end at 43". If there is any quality control issue it's very easy to take back right away vs a 75" you'd need a huge truck for.
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I was thinking of upgrading my 32" Samsung TV to a bigger size 43" TV, not so much because of the higher resolution (I won't be watching any 4K content), but but mostly because I want a bigger size TV. I was debating about getting this Sony TV, but it was $650 at the time when I was looking to buy it. Now that it dropped to $550 and is available at my nearby Best Buy, I was thinking of picking it up.

This is the TV I am looking to buy:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-43...?skuId=5748210

I want this TV because I want something with a center stand and also, it has plenty of ports, especially HDMI. And I saw this TV on display at Best Buy and I, personally, think it has such a great picture.

Anyone here feel this TV is worth picking up this weekend for $550? Or are there any caveats that anyone here feels I should be aware of?
$550 is a lot for a 43" screen. The Sony 800E is a low end Sony as well. IPS panel for wider viewing angles but grayer black levels. But if you insist on a center stand, there aren't a lot of choices these days as the industry is moving away from that.

Is 43" your max? You can get better 55 inch TVs for less than $550
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$550 is a lot for a 43" screen. The Sony 800E is a low end Sony as well. IPS panel for wider viewing angles but grayer black levels. But if you insist on a center stand, there aren't a lot of choices these days as the industry is moving away from that.

Is 43" your max? You can get better 55 inch TVs for less than $550

Yes, for my living room size in my studio apartment, 43" would be the max.
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Oh, and also technically RTINGs recommends the Vizio E-series at 43". It has a bit better picture than my TCL due to FALD, though only like 6 back-lit zones or some really small number.

I chose the TCL because I was already a Roku platform fan, it's a bit cheaper, the design looks nicer, and the stand of the E-series is insanely wide.
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Yes, for my living room size in my studio apartment, 43" would be the max.
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Oh, and also technically RTINGs recommends the Vizio E-series at 43". It has a bit better picture than my TCL due to FALD, though only like 6 back-lit zones or some really small number.

I chose the TCL because I was already a Roku platform fan, it's a bit cheaper, the design looks nicer, and the stand of the E-series is insanely wide.
+1 for the TCL 43R617 as well. At 43 inches, FALD and even 4K HDR are not going to have as much of an impact as larger screens. The Roku platform is speedy and very good.
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As to the center-stand issue, something like this clears that up pretty easily I would think. These all have VESA mounts.

https://smile.amazon.com/Universal-T...-1-spons&psc=1

The only reason I made the distinction of stand width in my choice is the TCL and Vizio are within like $50, if you're talking $250 vs $550 then an add-on stand like that (or dozens of others on Amazon) starts to sound really great...
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+1 for the TCL 43R617 as well. At 43 inches, FALD and even 4K HDR are not going to have as much of an impact as larger screens. The Roku platform is speedy and very good.
Think you mean 43R517... you actually made my heart skip a beat... "wait, there's a 43" 6-series I could have gotten"?? But sadly no, just like you said manufacturers don't do their higher-end stuff at that size....
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Think you mean 43R517... you actually made my heart skip a beat... "wait, there's a 43" 6-series I could have gotten"?? But sadly no, just like you said manufacturers don't do their higher-end stuff at that size....
Yep, 517 not 617
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Do TCL TVs last long? I would hate to buy a TV that craps out on me quickly.
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But if you insist on a center stand, there aren't a lot of choices these days as the industry is moving away from that.

Is there a reason why? I find it very hard to believe that I am the only person in the world that wants a center stand. I see no advantage of moving away from it. Center stands are better as it helps TVs stand on smaller furniture.
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Do TCL TVs last long? I would hate to buy a TV that craps out on me quickly.
QC is a question mark for these "newer' manufacturers, although name brand Sonys and Samsungs are not immune to problems either. You can either pay a $300 premium for a lesser TV which is name brand, or take a chance with the newer manufacturers. You can mitigate your risk by purchasing a Square Trade warranty from Costco or a Geek Squad warranty if you insist on buying from Best Buy, and still come out ahead $ wise.
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