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I made a topic of its own, but i think posting here as well is a good idea.


I'm in the market for a new TV but i'm seriously divided with my options.
I'm on Brazil and my maximum budget is R$6000, on one hand i can get a huge 65" Panasonic TC-65FX800B , a 70" LG 70UK6540PSA or a 65" Sony KD-65X755F, which have average quality screens with average features, but with large screen real state.
While on the other hand, for the same price (if not a tad cheaper) i can a extremely well reviewed 55" Panasonic TC-55FZ950B or 55" LG B8 SSC (with this one i get a completely free 43" LG UK6520PSA for whatever purposes i may have for it, i would probably give it to my mom as a complementary mother's day gift).
My current screen is a Samsung MU6100 55" and while i would like to have a bigger screen on my setup i must admit the size has been serving me quite for the last 2 years i've been using it.
The main use of this new screen is going to be 4k gaming and 4k video streaming and thats pretty much it.
Which one of those should i pick?

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I made a topic of its own, but i think posting here as well is a good idea.


I'm in the market for a new TV but i'm seriously divided with my options.
I'm on Brazil and my maximum budget is R$6000, on one hand i can get a huge 65" Panasonic TC-65FX800B , a 70" LG 70UK6540PSA or a 65" Sony KD-65X755F, which have average quality screens with average features, but with large screen real state.
While on the other hand, for the same price (if not a tad cheaper) i can a extremely well reviewed 55" Panasonic TC-55FZ950B or 55" LG B8 SSC (with this one i get a completely free 43" LG UK6520PSA for whatever purposes i may have for it, i would probably give it to my mom as a complementary mother's day gift).
My current screen is a Samsung MU6100 55" and while i would like to have a bigger screen on my setup i must admit the size has been serving me quite for the last 2 years i've been using it.
The main use of this new screen is going to be 4k gaming and 4k video streaming and thats pretty much it.
Which one of those should i pick?
Repeating my answer from the other thread you said you usually sit around 2.5m from the TV which is a little over 8 feet. Really you can go either way at that distance. According to your initial post it's between a top PQ 55" OLED vs. 65" LCDs some of which are IPS panels without local dimming? Get the 55" LG B8 with the free 43" LG UK6520PSA for your mother.
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Look at the Sony 900F, Sony X950G, Samsung Q70R and Samsung Q8FN. The 900F and Q8FN are 2018 models while the X950G and Q70R are new for 2019. All are FALD VA panel sets with narrow viewing angles (no problem for them) and deep black levels.
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I have a 900F and love it but they wanted a few more options to look at. I'll pass those models on to them.
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75" RU8000 or the 65" Q70?

Both come in at the same price. We sit about ~14ft. from our current, old, 60" 1080 unit
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I made a topic of its own, but i think posting here as well is a good idea.


I'm in the market for a new TV but i'm seriously divided with my options.
I'm on Brazil and my maximum budget is R$6000, on one hand i can get a huge 65" Panasonic TC-65FX800B , a 70" LG 70UK6540PSA or a 65" Sony KD-65X755F, which have average quality screens with average features, but with large screen real state.
While on the other hand, for the same price (if not a tad cheaper) i can a extremely well reviewed 55" Panasonic TC-55FZ950B or 55" LG B8 SSC (with this one i get a completely free 43" LG UK6520PSA for whatever purposes i may have for it, i would probably give it to my mom as a complementary mother's day gift).
My current screen is a Samsung MU6100 55" and while i would like to have a bigger screen on my setup i must admit the size has been serving me quite for the last 2 years i've been using it.
The main use of this new screen is going to be 4k gaming and 4k video streaming and thats pretty much it.
Which one of those should i pick?
I'd go with Panasonic in both cases.

Re OLED, free goods for mother nice, but don't forget the primary big-ticket comparison of picture and processing. The Panasonic 950 is a rung or two higher than the LG B8.

Good luck. Have fun.

Related review, but viewing is usually better.

https://www.trustedreviews.com/best/best-tv-3440232
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Recommendations for 1000nits TV

Looking for a 1000nits (or greater) TV with good BT2020 colour gamut coverage for testing 4K HDR contents. Size less than 70". HLG support and 12-bit panel would be ideal

Any good suggestions? Do I need an OLED?

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I currently have three plasma TVs scattered around my house and an LCD in one of the bedrooms. I'm looking to replace the plasma that is located in my media room because it has an intermittent blue haze bubble in the center of the screen that appears during brightly lit scenes and it has gotten the best of me.



I love my plasma TV picture. the realization, the depths of the blacks. Everything about the picture that the plasmas produce has prevented me from wanting to replace them. Now that I'm in a position to need to replace my main media TV, I'm faced with a key decision on what's the best bang for the buck. My media room requires an excellent picture but I don't have $3k to throw at it. What would you guys suggest?

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I currently have three plasma TVs scattered around my house and an LCD in one of the bedrooms. I'm looking to replace the plasma that is located in my media room because it has an intermittent blue haze bubble in the center of the screen that appears during brightly lit scenes and it has gotten the best of me.



I love my plasma TV picture. the realization, the depths of the blacks. Everything about the picture that the plasmas produce has prevented me from wanting to replace them. Now that I'm in a position to need to replace my main media TV, I'm faced with a key decision on what's the best bang for the buck. My media room requires an excellent picture but I don't have $3k to throw at it. What would you guys suggest?
What size are you looking at?

And if $3K is too much what are you willing to spend?
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What size are you looking at?

And if $3K is too much what are you willing to spend?

I'm looking at 65-inch and hoping to stay under $2k. I should note that my media room is completely dark with the lights turned off and my viewing angle is straight in front the TV. no side angle viewing.

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I'm looking at 65-inch and hoping to stay under $2k. I should note that my media room is completely dark with the lights turned off and my viewing angle is straight in front the TV. no side angle viewing.
Completely dark rooms are best for OLEDs. The 65" 2018 LG B8 has been offered on line for under $1.8K.

If you don't want to buy online, look at the Sony 900F, Sony X950G, Samsung Q70R and Samsung Q8FN LCDs. The 900F and Q8FN are 2018 models while the X950G and Q70R are new for 2019. All are FALD VA panel sets with narrow viewing angles (no problem for you) and deep black levels.
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I'd go with Panasonic in both cases.

Re OLED, free goods for mother nice, but don't forget the primary big-ticket comparison of picture and processing. The Panasonic 950 is a rung or two higher than the LG B8.

Good luck. Have fun.

Related review, but viewing is usually better.

https://www.trustedreviews.com/best/best-tv-3440232

I must also admit that i have a certain bias for Panasonics, i've had some simple but great sets from them in the past, its one of my favorite brands. One minor observation that i perhaps should make is that the OLED model i was looking at is the stripped out brazilian version, i don’t know if it has the same screen as the upper range model but i know it doesn't have the same speaker bar and controllers as the one you linked, not that i mind since i'm going to be using my Dalis in any case and the controller is just a detail.
But i must also say, i came across some interesting reading this morning, one thing i had not factored in my screen choice is that my room is very, very bright during the day and my MU6100 was already not bright enough to contain the sunlight, i was reading about the QLED screens and became very interested with the technology, specially because it offers the brightness level that would be ideal during the day for my usage.
What is your opinion on it? The particular model that fits my budget is the Samsung Q7FN, which i like particularly due to the one connect box.

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Looking for a 1000nits (or greater) TV with good BT2020 colour gamut coverage for testing 4K HDR contents. Size less than 70". HLG support and 12-bit panel would be ideal

Any good suggestions? Do I need an OLED?
Vizio P Quantum hits all of your criteria except 12 bit. I don't believe there are any 12 bit TVs yet.
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I must also admit that i have a certain bias for Panasonics, i've had some simple but great sets from them in the past, its one of my favorite brands. One minor observation that i perhaps should make is that the OLED model i was looking at is the stripped out brazilian version, i don’t know if it has the same screen as the upper range model but i know it doesn't have the same speaker bar and controllers as the one you linked, not that i mind since i'm going to be using my Dalis in any case and the controller is just a detail.
But i must also say, i came across some interesting reading this morning, one thing i had not factored in my screen choice is that my room is very, very bright during the day and my MU6100 was already not bright enough to contain the sunlight, i was reading about the QLED screens and became very interested with the technology, specially because it offers the brightness level that would be ideal during the day for my usage.
What is your opinion on it? The particular model that fits my budget is the Samsung Q7FN, which i like particularly due to the one connect box.
Thank you for your information on that Brazil Panasonic model. That makes it a new ballgame, and difficult for suggestions. You are most privy to what's been modified for sale in your country.

Generally speaking, reviews and consumer testimonies are increasingly on the rise for Samsung and QLED. You've stated that gaming is a large part of your TV enjoyment. Some Samsung models fare well in the following "Best Gaming TVs" comparison guide. These are North American TVs tested. Specific reviews for each TV are linked. The Samsung model you cite has a very good gaming rating, in the top third, and also a good TV watching and movies rating. Again, your eyes are the most important determining factor. Good luck. Have fun.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/be...e/video-gaming
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Thank you for your information on that Brazil Panasonic model. That makes it a new ballgame, and difficult for suggestions. You are most privy to what's been modified for sale in your country.

Generally speaking, reviews and consumer testimonies are increasingly on the rise for Samsung and QLED. You've stated that gaming is a large part of your TV enjoyment. Some Samsung models fare well in the following "Best Gaming TVs" comparison guide. These are North American TVs tested. Specific reviews for each TV are linked. The Samsung model you cite has a very good gaming rating, in the top third, and also a good TV watching and movies rating. Again, your eyes are the most important determining factor. Good luck. Have fun.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/be...e/video-gaming

Fortunately Samsung models here are the same as their USA counterparts, with minor alterations like stands and VESA mount options, and with this model i get an outstanding 10 year warranty, as well as a free 40" NU7100 due to a promotion (pretty much the same thing as the LG i mentioned before), so far it looks like a winner.
I was also told to seek for the 55" Sony X905F, any opinions on that particular model?

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Fortunately Samsung models here are the same as their USA counterparts, with minor alterations like stands and VESA mount options, and with this model i get an outstanding 10 year warranty, as well as a free 40" NU7100 due to a promotion (pretty much the same thing as the LG i mentioned before), so far it looks like a winner.
I was also told to seek for the 55" Sony X905F, any opinions on that particular model?
Good for you and your mother.

If that Sony X905F corresponds closely to X900F in North America, then yes, it's a very good consideration. Re aforementioned TV gaming comparison, it's not far behind the Samsung Q7FN in gaming and TV watching, and better for movies. Same mixed usage rating, but that Sony's ratings are more consistent.

FWIW some motion advantage with that Sony. Slight contrast ratio advantage for that Samsung.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/moti...-response-time

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...contrast-ratio
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Good for you and your mother.

If that Sony X905F corresponds closely to X900F in North America, then yes, it's a very good consideration. Re aforementioned TV gaming comparison, it's not far behind the Samsung Q7FN in gaming and TV watching, and better for movies. Same mixed usage rating, but that Sony's ratings are more consistent.

FWIW some motion advantage with that Sony. Slight contrast ratio advantage for that Samsung.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/moti...-response-time

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...contrast-ratio

And the Sony is almost US$400 cheaper, tough match...

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Aaaah, but there's a reason why its much cheaper, i've been reading on local forums that apparently the new Android update on it (X905F) is breaking some features it had before, the system is overall slower and its making the ARC sync pretty finicky.
I'm going to stick to me guns and buy the Samsung.

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And the Sony is almost US$400 cheaper, tough match...
Side-by-side comparision, X900F/Q7FN. You might want to consider local dimming ratings, advantage Sony.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...g-q7fn/585/597

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Aaaah, but there's a reason why its much cheaper, i've been reading on local forums that apparently the new Android update on it (X905F) is breaking some features it had before, the system is overall slower and its making the ARC sync pretty finicky.
I'm going to stick to me guns and buy the Samsung.
I'm sure you'd be happy with either. Good choice. Report back, if you like.
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I'm sure you'd be happy with either. Good choice. Report back, if you like.

For sure, will do! i'll post it over at the "got a new one? post here" sticky thread, just under this one.
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Vizio P Quantum hits all of your criteria except 12 bit. I don't believe there are any 12 bit TVs yet.
Greetings PlanetAVS, thanks for the kind reply.

The 2900nits PQX looks interesting, although the 65" model would stretch my budget a bit. Time to cut down the cigars.

Would appreciate if you'd be kind enough to take a few more novice LCD TV questions:

1. Theses would be 10-bit panels?
2. Any problem accepting [email protected] 12-bits HDR put out by the panasonic ub820 player?
3. Can HDR be turned off manually?
4. Ability to set Gama curve?
5. Does the 2900nits quoted in the specs refer to peak brightness of individual pixel? This figure would correspond to MaxCLL HDR metadata?
6. Where can I find average brightness specs of this panel when all pixels at turned on? ie. as in MaxFALL? What do you think it may be?
7. 95% return rate? Really?


Many thanks and best regards,

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Greetings PlanetAVS, thanks for the kind reply.

The 2900nits PQX looks interesting, although the 65" model would stretch my budget a bit. Time to cut down the cigars.

Would appreciate if you'd be kind enough to take a few more novice LCD TV questions:

1. Theses would be 10-bit panels?
2. Any problem accepting [email protected] 12-bits HDR put out by the panasonic ub820 player?
3. Can HDR be turned off manually?
4. Ability to set Gama curve?
5. Does the 2900nits quoted in the specs refer to peak brightness of individual pixel? This figure would correspond to MaxCLL HDR metadata?
6. Where can I find average brightness specs of this panel when all pixels at turned on? ie. as in MaxFALL? What do you think it may be?
7. 95% return rate? Really?


Many thanks and best regards,
Rtings measured real scene HDR brightness at 1,368 cd/m² with an HDR Peak 10% Window measured at 2,433 cd/m². You might want to peruse their Vizio PQ review.
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Greetings PlanetAVS, thanks for the kind reply.

The 2900nits PQX looks interesting, although the 65" model would stretch my budget a bit. Time to cut down the cigars.

Would appreciate if you'd be kind enough to take a few more novice LCD TV questions:

1. Theses would be 10-bit panels?
2. Any problem accepting [email protected] 12-bits HDR put out by the panasonic ub820 player?
3. Can HDR be turned off manually?
4. Ability to set Gama curve?
5. Does the 2900nits quoted in the specs refer to peak brightness of individual pixel? This figure would correspond to MaxCLL HDR metadata?
6. Where can I find average brightness specs of this panel when all pixels at turned on? ie. as in MaxFALL? What do you think it may be?
7. 95% return rate? Really?


Many thanks and best regards,
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Rtings measured real scene HDR brightness at 1,368 cd/m² with an HDR Peak 10% Window measured at 2,433 cd/m². You might want to peruse their Vizio PQ review.
The brightness specs Dave is referring to are for the 2018 P Quantum, which is what I recommended. You're asking about the Quantum X, which hasn't been released yet. Not sure where you are getting the 95% return rate information, I would highly doubt that figure.
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I'm looking to get a new 65" TV soon and I have been looking around and comparing, researching, but I'm still having a hard time deciding so I just wanted to get some opinions. Here are the options I have narrowed down to get below. I'm not a fan of OLED because the picture is to dark. I had the B7 and returned it because HDR was way to dark plus i'm afraid of burn in.

1. $2,000 or less
2. 8' to 10' (depends on which room I put in)
3. 65" or 75"
4. I'm big on watching HDR and/or Ultra HD when available. I use Netflix, UHD blu ray's, Itunes (apple tv), and VUDU.
I like the TV to have a good peak brightness for HDR, but still have nice, dark blacks.
5. Dark (blinds shut will make it dark)

Here are my options I've narrowed down to:

Samsung Q8FN (2018 Model)
Sony 900F
Sony 950G

I'm open to Other suggestions also.


Thanks in advance for feedback!
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I'm looking to get a new 65" TV soon and I have been looking around and comparing, researching, but I'm still having a hard time deciding so I just wanted to get some opinions. Here are the options I have narrowed down to get below. I'm not a fan of OLED because the picture is to dark. I had the B7 and returned it because HDR was way to dark plus i'm afraid of burn in.

1. $2,000 or less
2. 8' to 10' (depends on which room I put in)
3. 65" or 75"
4. I'm big on watching HDR and/or Ultra HD when available. I use Netflix, UHD blu ray's, Itunes (apple tv), and VUDU.
I like the TV to have a good peak brightness for HDR, but still have nice, dark blacks.
5. Dark (blinds shut will make it dark)

Here are my options I've narrowed down to:

Samsung Q8FN (2018 Model)
Sony 900F
Sony 950G

I'm open to Other suggestions also.


Thanks in advance for feedback!
As you know all your selections are FALD VA panels, so ideal for HDR. Samsung's HDR processing leans towards black bars and limiting blooming which causes some black crush. Sony, on the other hand, processes HDR for better detail in darker scenes so there will be some graying of the black bars and more chance of blooming. FALD zone processing cannot be perfect, since unlike an OLED, it cannot control individual pixels just large groups of pixels arranged in rectangular sections of the screen. So you need to pick your poison.

Between the Sonys, the X950G is brighter and the 900F has deeper blacks. If you go to 75", that size X950G has the X wide angle layer so better off angle viewing coupled with an even lower contrast ratio. The Samsung Q8FN is dimmer over the full screen than either Sony, but has brighter HDR highlights than the 900F, and has deeper blacks than either Sony. It also has the best anti reflective performance but in your dark room that is irrelevant.
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Re Vizio P and Vizio PQ, aaronwt reported banding issues on both (thread linked, post 13). Comments? Sluggish smart features and poor sound don't matter to me, but banding would be a deal killer. I'm not hunting. Just curious.

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Re Vizio P and Vizio PQ, aaronwt reported banding issues on both (thread linked, post 13). Comments? Sluggish smart features and poor sound don't matter to me, but banding would be a deal killer. I'm not hunting. Just curious.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...ce-needed.html
One can find complaints about every TV.

I had the Vizio PQuantum and did not have any banding issues. Yes the operating system is sluggish and 720P looks crappy. Otherwise it was excellent. I only returned it to upgrade to a 75 inch Sony 900F, which also has crappy 720P upscaling and internal apps that do not render HDR properly, and has owner complaints about blooming and dark Dolby Vision.
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One can find complaints about every TV.

I had the Vizio PQuantum and did not have any banding issues. Yes the operating system is sluggish and 720P looks crappy. Otherwise it was excellent. I only returned it to upgrade to a 75 inch Sony 900F, which also has crappy 720P upscaling and internal apps that do not render HDR properly, and has owner complaints about blooming and dark Dolby Vision.
Would you say your change was a mistake, and not really an upgrade?

Complaints are okay, it's repetitive, seemingly inherent issues that are not. I read of no banding in the glowing Vizio reviews.

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Would you say your change was a mistake, and not really an upgrade?

Complaints are okay, it's repetitive, seemingly inherent issues that are not. I read of no banding in the glowing Vizio reviews.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it was a mistake, because I did want a 75" screen. But there are regrets, the 900F doesn't have the same deep blacks or the peak HDR brightness as the Vizio. Also Sony's proprietary profile for Dolby Vision causes compatibility issues. For example, there are no decent UHD players that support Sony's Dolby Vision for less than $500. Sony's DV UHD players have the annoying requirement to turn DV on/off deep in the system settings.

Net net, there are compromises to make with any TV you choose.
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Trying to decide between 77 OLED (LG or SONY), 75 or larger Q9FN or Q90, 75 Sony Z9D or X950G.
-Sit about 12 feet away
-Normal living room, but most viewing done at night when room is dimmer
-Mostly movies and console video games
-I sit head on and most seating is not terribly off angle.
-Budget allows for any of them, just can't decide.
-OLED concerns me because of burn in from static video game HUD.
-Q90 and X950G bother me because of the increased blooming due to the wide angle viewing feature.
-Have 7.1.4 Atmos and was all prepared for Dolby Vision until the great HDR format war began.

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