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Coming from plasma (With no burn-in?), with a near-dark basement, I'd think you'd be leaning toward LGB8?
I'm with Panson on this one, the more logical progression from plasma is to OLED not LCD. You can get the 55" LG C8 for $1,299 with free shipping from Newegg. And one of the top sellers on ebay, First Class TVs, is selling the 55" LG B8 for $1050.
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Just moved into a new house with some built in TV cabinets and looking to upgrade my 2007 panasonic plasma but having a tough time choosing

Budget: no more than $1500, but the lower the better
Room: Effectively in basement with only one small window, and overhead dimmable lighting. Built in TV cabinet has a width of 51" so 55" is the max TV size that will fit I believe
Viewing position: likely no more than 8" distance with a a max viewing angle probably of no more than 30 degrees
No sound system at the moment

Considerations: Samsung Q70 ($1,080 with EPP), Samsung QFN ($1,400), Samsung Q7DR ($1,400 - same TV as Q70 I believe but has a 5-year warranty), Vizio P55 ($700), Sony 950G ($1,300), Sony 900f ($1,200), LG B8 ($1,500), Samung Q80 ($1,430 with EPP)
2019 models: My bias would be Sony X950G, but I'd want to compare PQ and motion with Samsung Q80.

2018 models: LGB8, Samsung Q8FN.

Coming from plasma (With no burn-in?), with a near-dark basement, I'd think you'd be leaning toward LGB8?

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Coming from plasma (With no burn-in?), with a near-dark basement, I'd think you'd be leaning toward LGB8?
I'm with Panson on this one, the more logical progression from plasma is to OLED not LCD. You can get the 55" LG C8 for $1,299 with free shipping from Newegg. And one of the top sellers on ebay, First Class TVs, is selling the 55" LG B8 for $1050.
Thank you both. I am back and forth on OLED. It is more costly and frankly I am not sure I can tell the difference that much with regard to regular watching but may be wrong. We don’t watch a lot of tv or movies. I did really like the plasma in the beginning but to be honest part of why I initially chose plasma is because I have a background in plasma physics so I was biased. The Panasonic is just 42” so even a 55 will be a big step up for me. I am also a little worried about burn in on OLED. I never did experience any on the plasma but I am not sure if the risk is higher on OLED. I don’t really play games on the TV but I don’t want to rule out the option of doing so in the future especially since I have a young son.

That said I have put in a bit of a low ball bid on the E8 on Greentoe (1300). If I get hit on it I’ll be happy. I was countered at 100 more than my bid but I passed. They don’t currently have the C8. I am concerned about not getting from a non authorized retailer which it looks like the Newegg seller is not.
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Trying to decide between 77 OLED (LG or SONY), 75 or larger Q9FN or Q90, 75 Sony Z9D or X950G.
-Sit about 12 feet away
-Normal living room, but most viewing done at night when room is dimmer
-Mostly movies and console video games
-I sit head on and most seating is not terribly off angle.
-Budget allows for any of them, just can't decide.
-OLED concerns me because of burn in from static video game HUD.
-Q90 and X950G bother me because of the increased blooming due to the wide angle viewing feature.
-Have 7.1.4 Atmos and was all prepared for Dolby Vision until the great HDR format war began.
Well, the place I was looking to get the Z9D from can no longer get them so I guess it's off the table. Have decided I want DV and so I guess the Samsung's are out as well. I game about 3 hours a day so I'm concerned with the OLED. Have been researching the 900F, but have seen posts about it over blooming. This should be easier!

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Well, the place I was looking to get the Z9D from can no longer get them so I guess it's off the table. Have decided I want DV and so I guess the Samsung's are out as well. I game about 3 hours a day so I'm concerned with the OLED. Have been researching the 900F, but have seen posts about it over blooming. This should be easier!
The blooming concerns on the Sony's are IMHO overblown, especially if your viewing environment is not pitch black or you don't have the brightness turned way up. Most people who actually own these sets have no real issues.

If you need a wider viewing angle go with the 950G otherwise save a couple of dollars and get the 900f.

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Hello am looking for advice as one of the TV needs to be replaced so will be moving the one from the living room to the bedroom and looking to get a bigger one for the living room.


1. Budget: Max 800-850
2. Seating distance: 7-9 feet.
3. Size/placement limitations: 55" max as bigger will not fit
4. Uses and sources: Satellite TV, Sports, Video Games, Netflix, Hulu
5. Room lighting: Typically sunlit but there are shades we can use (but never do), the light doesn't hit TV directly but makes room brighter

Was looking at a couple TV that just came out or about to come out such as, Vizio M558-G1 but has yet to have any reviews, the Hisense H9F which should be released in June and TCL 6 Series which I know is the cheapest but has been reviewed greatly and is a favorite here
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Hello am looking for advice as one of the TV needs to be replaced so will be moving the one from the living room to the bedroom and looking to get a bigger one for the living room.


1. Budget: Max 800-850
2. Seating distance: 7-9 feet.
3. Size/placement limitations: 55" max as bigger will not fit
4. Uses and sources: Satellite TV, Sports, Video Games, Netflix, Hulu
5. Room lighting: Typically sunlit but there are shades we can use (but never do), the light doesn't hit TV directly but makes room brighter

Was looking at a couple TV that just came out or about to come out such as, Vizio M558-G1 but has yet to have any reviews, the Hisense H9F which should be released in June and TCL 6 Series which I know is the cheapest but has been reviewed greatly and is a favorite here
TCL 6 Series - 60Hz Native Refresh Rate VA FALD

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ru8000

B&H Photo sale $529.99. May be cheaper elsewhere.

Samsung RU8000 - 120 Hz Native Refresh Rate VA EDGE

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ru8000

Samsung RU8000 sale at B&H Photo, $797.99 ends May 25. May be cheaper elsewhere.

Re $250 difference, suggest comparing build, PQ, and motion in personal viewings.

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Looking for some advice and hoping the experienced folks/owners participating in this thread can assist me in making a purchasing decision on my next TV. I would like to replace my 2012 wall mounted Panasonic plasma TC-P55VT30 which has logged over 19,000 hours - with no burn-in. It was professionally calibrated when new, still going strong, but outdated and it's time to upgrade to 4K. I have a HT sound system listed below in my signature. I recently had an AVR eARC firmware update.

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1. Budget- flexible up to $7,000
2. Seating distance – straight on is a non-negotiable 12.5 ft due to furniture arrangement. I can possibly reduce to 11 ft by using a wall mount
that extends towards the main seating area. Side seating viewing angle is within 45 degrees.
3. Size/placement – looking at 75” to 85”; wall mounted over a media console.
4. Uses and sources – Current viewing 65% Verizon FIOS cable for news, sports, documentary programming; 25% Netflix, Amazon, apps and 10%
DVD for movies. I am not a gamer, but might get into it with a new 4K.
5. Room lighting - I have a finished basement media room with low to mid daylight level that can be darkened with shades if need be during daylight. Virtually no light reflections on my current Panny plasma.

I will have my new TV professionally calibrated and will most likely keep it in service for the next 6-7 years. I like the configuration of the LGC9 with HDMI 2.1 and eARC as future proofing but that is not a hard requirement for the service life of my next TV. I would like to have DV and eARC capability on my new TV, so I have ruled out Samsung. Clean upscaling and motion performance are very important to me since I enjoy watching all sports, especially hockey. I need to at least match the excellent motion performance that I have on my Panny VT30. I am concerned about all the discussions regarding OLED burn-in and panel uniformity with magenta screens on white background i.e. don’t want to watch hockey on pink ice on a new 4K TV that costs $5-$7K. I appreciate the advantages and limitations between LED/FALD and OLED and torn between the two technologies. I am looking forward to professional calibrator and owner reviews of the A9G. So far, I am focusing on the following TV’s:

LED: Sony Master XBR-75Z9F and Sony XBR-85950G

OLED: Sony Master XBR-77A9G; LG 77C9PUA

I have yet to personally observe the performance of the above TV's and would appreciate any advice based on my criteria above. Thanks.

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I'm looking for a relatively inexpensive 49"/50" TV with the best possible viewing angles. For this application even vertical viewing angles are important, although I understand most TVs are about equally bad there. Is the LG SK8000 probably my best bet? Anyone know if the newer SM8600 would provide a reasonable upgrade in viewing angles?
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So far, I am focusing on the following TV’s:

LED: Sony Master XBR-75Z9F and Sony XBR-85950G

OLED: Sony Master XBR-77A9G; LG 77C9PUA

I have yet to personally observe the performance of the above TV's and would appreciate any advice based on my criteria above. Thanks.
Considering your plasma experience (19K hours with no burn-in issues), and the ability to black out your viewing area.

LG 77C9PUA - HDMI 2.1, eARC

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I'm looking for a relatively inexpensive 49"/50" TV with the best possible viewing angles. For this application even vertical viewing angles are important, although I understand most TVs are about equally bad there. Is the LG SK8000 probably my best bet? Anyone know if the newer SM8600 would provide a reasonable upgrade in viewing angles?
For LG (IPS panels), you're probably on the right track with the 8000. 6300 has slightly better viewing angles, but mixed usage suffers. 8000 is better. No ratings available for 8600, but it may be the best of the three, partly due to a Native Refresh Rate of 120 Hz, versus 60 Hz for the others. Two years newer, the 8600 may give you more for the future. LG promo on now for it, $649.99. May be cheaper elsewhere.

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Considering your plasma experience (19K hours with no burn-in issues), and the ability to black out your viewing area.

LG 77C9PUA - HDMI 2.1, eARC

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https://hdguru.com/hdmi-2-1-features...tvs-clarified/

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Thanks Panson for your response. There was a lot is discussion and concern when I purchased my Panny plasma about burn-in, but I have not experience it-and I watch a lot of FIOS cable. I am sure it is an issue to be aware of with WOLED but appears to be a non-issue with the new panels. My challenge is that my local Best Buy does not have any of the TV's I am interested yet in so I cannot view and evaluate for myself. I was considering the Sony XBR-85 950G for the bigger screen size based on my 12 ft viewing distance over a 77 inch. Other than future proofing I am curious why you suggest the C9 over the A9G? Do you feel the C9 motion processing is on a par with the A9G?
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Thanks Panson for your response. There was a lot is discussion and concern when I purchased my Panny plasma about burn-in, but I have not experience it-and I watch a lot of FIOS cable. I am sure it is an issue to be aware of with WOLED but appears to be a non-issue with the new panels. My challenge is that my local Best Buy does not have any of the TV's I am interested yet in so I cannot view and evaluate for myself. I was considering the Sony XBR-85 950G for the bigger screen size based on my 12 ft viewing distance over a 77 inch. Other than future proofing I am curious why you suggest the C9 over the A9G? Do you feel the C9 motion processing is on a par with the A9G?
Future 2.1 was the primary reason, along with spectacular rtings numbers. Nothing from them yet on the A9G. BTW A9G apparently has no pic change from A8F. As I understand, the change is mostly cosmetic--better wall-hanging, etc.

For non-OLED, I think you'd be happy with the bigger X950G. And maybe rest easier. You're in a good budget bracket, no matter what you decide.

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For LG (IPS panels), you're probably on the right track with the 8000. 6300 has slightly better viewing angles, but mixed usage suffers. 8000 is better. No ratings available for 8600, but it may be the best of the three, partly due to a Native Refresh Rate of 120 Hz, versus 60 Hz for the others. Two years newer, the 8600 may give you more for the future. LG promo on now for it, $649.99. May be cheaper elsewhere.

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https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-49SM8600PUA-4k-uhd-tv
Ya, saw the rtings ranking, and unfortunately the 6300 housing is iffy whether it would work well for my installation and at the 8000 price it just seemed like a better bet. Shame there isn't more info on the 8600 yet.
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Can you help ?

Samsung QN65Q70RAFXZA or LG OLED65B8 ?

I have been negotiating with insurance co and it has came down to these two. I had a 65inch ks8000 I’ve never had a OLED tv

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Hello guys, I'm on the hunt for a new oled this summer. I have a 55C8PUA but looking to upgrade to a bigger display like a 65 inch. I was looking at the entry level Sony A8g which doesn't support Dolby atmos but I think I can live without it. I was wondering if its worth upgrading to the new C9 but I don't care much for hdmi 2.1 at the moment. I've never had a Sony TV but I know they are known for been the best at imagine processing. Any input would help , Thank you.

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Hello guys, I'm on the hunt for a new oled this summer. I have a 55C8PUA but looking to upgrade to a bigger display like a 65 inch. I was looking at the entry level Sony A8g which doesn't support Dolby atmos but I think I can live without it. I was wondering if its worth upgrading to the new C9 but I don't care much for hdmi 2.1 at the moment. I've never had a Sony TV but I know they are known for been the best at imagine processing. Any input would help , Thank you.
If you don't care about HDMI 2.1, why not take advantage of closeout pricing on a 65" C8? Overall Sony is going to be comparable but street price is higher and the Android TV interface is inferior to LG WebOS. As a minor consideration, Sony Dolby Vision is proprietary which introduces compatibility issues for external DV capable devices.
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I have been negotiating with insurance co and it has came down to these two. I had a 65inch ks8000 I’ve never had a OLED tv
If you're worried about burn in go for the Samsung. Otherwise the OLED is hands down superior, especially for black levels, viewing angle, Dolby Vision support. The Samsung is slightly brighter for HDR
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need 65 for parents
would like good upscaler, they watch mostly direct tv and streaming. lots of windows, bright room. prefer to have fald


been looking at the 900f but i read its not good with reflections so no go on that

wondering if the tcl 6 series is good choice if the upscaling is good enough and if that would reflect too much light
budget id say is 1500 tops

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Just moved into a new house and putting new TVs throughout the house. Two primary viewing areas, both home theater equipped with Definitive Audio, Denon, etc and 2 bedrooms which will have soundbars. I'll provide answers for each individual room.

I'd love to not overspend if I don't have to. I've been focused primarily on Sony and Samsung and wondering a lot about interfaces/OS and picture quality for the buck. I haven't bought a TV in 10 years.

1. Budget

Family room: $5000
Basement home theater: $5000
Master bedroom: $1500
Guest bedroom: $1000

2. Seating distance

Family room: 9-11 feet
Basement home theater: 10-12 feet
Master bedroom: 15 feet
Guest bedroom: 8 feet

3. Size/placement limitations

Family room: 75" easy...82-85" possible. Plan on sticking to 75", wall mounted
Basement home theater: no size limitations, wall mounted
Master bedroom: 55" is a safe size, wall mounted on articulating mount
Guest bedroom: 42-55" is safe, wall mounted

4. Uses and sources

Family room: Sports, streaming, live tv, movies, occasional gaming, primary family day-to-day viewing location. Sources 4k blu ray, Directv, YouTube, Netflix, Prime
Basement home theater: Movies, live tv, gaming, streaming, sports Sources 4k blu ray, Directv, YouTube, Netflix, Prime, Xbox One, Switch
Master bedroom: Movies, streaming, sports, live tv, Sources Directv, YouTube, Netflix, Prime
Guest bedroom: Movies, streaming, sports, live tv, Sources Directv, YouTube, Netflix, Prime

5. Room lighting

Family room: many windows along the left side extending into kitchen, windows face north. Bright room
Basement home theater: no windows, recessed lighting, dimmable
Master bedroom: 4 windows facing north, one overhead ceiling fan w/large light
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need 65 for parents
would like good upscaler, they watch mostly direct tv and streaming. lots of windows, bright room. prefer to have fald


been looking at the 900f but i read its not good with reflections so no go on that

wondering if the tcl 6 series is good choice if the upscaling is good enough and if that would reflect too much light
budget id say is 1500 tops
Sony X900F is in the top third for rtings reflection ratings, no more than .8 behind a QLED, which are out of your price range.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...tte-and-glossy
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1. Budget

Family room: $5000
Basement home theater: $5000
Master bedroom: $1500
Guest bedroom: $1000
FR - Sony X950G 75" $3298
BHT - Samsung Q90R 82" (ultra viewing angle) $5497.99 or Sony X950G 85" (x-wide angle) $4998
MBR - Sony X950G 55" $1298
GR - Sony X950G 55" $1298 or Sony X900F 49" $998 or Samsung Q70R 49" $997.99

All 2019 TVs except Sony X900F 49" (2018). Prices are from B&H Photo. Samsung sale prices end June 1. All may be cheaper elsewhere.
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FR - Sony X950G 75" $3298
BHT - Samsung Q90R 82" $5497.99 or Sony X950G 85" $4998
MBR - Sony X950G 55" $1298
GR - Sony X950G 55" $1298 or Samsung Q70R 49" $997.99

All 2019 TVs. Prices are from B&H Photo. Samsung sale prices ends June 1. All may be cheaper elsewhere.
I've been thinking along the same lines...my home theater guy can get most of those at better prices so that is a plus.

Having no day to day experience with the interfaces, how is Android OS vs Tizen on Samsung? Just based on my brief trips to Best Buy to look, I've preferred the Sony screens and the Samsung interface.

Can both remotes control other devices such as Blu Ray, receiver volume/source?
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I've been thinking along the same lines...my home theater guy can get most of those at better prices so that is a plus.

Having no day to day experience with the interfaces, how is Android OS vs Tizen on Samsung? Just based on my brief trips to Best Buy to look, I've preferred the Sony screens and the Samsung interface.

Can both remotes control other devices such as Blu Ray, receiver volume/source?
Re screens and interface, your perspective is the consensus. Harmony remote might be a better thought.

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need 65 for parents
would like good upscaler, they watch mostly direct tv and streaming. lots of windows, bright room. prefer to have fald


been looking at the 900f but i read its not good with reflections so no go on that

wondering if the tcl 6 series is good choice if the upscaling is good enough and if that would reflect too much light
budget id say is 1500 tops
Samsung Q8FN, check slickdeals.
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Via slickdeals, found $1567.93 at Aztek Computers (1-star ratings at Yelp), but I've no Google account, so couldn't access checkout to confirm.

Later edit: Found buydig at slickdeals mentioning $1500 with a coupon at checkout. Again, I've no Google acc't to confirm.

BBB gives buydig an "A". Customers less amiable, 2 out of 5 rating.

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Via slickdeals, found $1567.93 at Aztek Computers (1-star ratings at Yelp), but I've no Google account, so couldn't access checkout to confirm.

Later edit: Found buydig at slickdeals mentioning $1500 with a coupon at checkout. Again, I've no Google acc't to confirm.

BBB gives buydig an "A". Customers less amiable, 2 out of 5 rating.
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I game about 3 hours a day so I'm concerned with the OLED. Have been researching the 900F, but have seen posts about it over blooming. This should be easier!
Finally had time to go look at these in person at BB today. Why do the sales people always say "That's the TV I have."? I really want the OLED, it's gorgeous. The Sony's, the 900F and X950G 85s were right next the the 77C8. During the Sony demo reels, the colors with the brightness on the Sonys was fantastic and almost was always better looking than the OLED, but the washout during the dark scenes was troublesome. On the X950G you could see light creeping into the black bars. Tough decision to make, go with newer C9 and the features it comes with and not have to worry about getting a new TV for several years, or Sony with great bright color for HDR but not so hot in the black level department and lacking VRR, ALLM, and 2.1 HDMI. So sad I missed the days of the Z9D. It really spoiled my expectations from LED/LCD. Either LG or Sony will work in the space I have and an 85 would definitely fill the space completely. Decisions.
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Finally had time to go look at these in person at BB today. Why do the sales people always say "That's the TV I have."? I really want the OLED, it's gorgeous. The Sony's, the 900F and X950G 85s were right next the the 77C8. During the Sony demo reels, the colors with the brightness on the Sonys was fantastic and almost was always better looking than the OLED, but the washout during the dark scenes was troublesome. On the X950G you could see light creeping into the black bars. Tough decision to make, go with newer C9 and the features it comes with and not have to worry about getting a new TV for several years, or Sony with great bright color for HDR but not so hot in the black level department and lacking VRR, ALLM, and 2.1 HDMI. So sad I missed the days of the Z9D. It really spoiled my expectations from LED/LCD. Either LG or Sony will work in the space I have and an 85 would definitely fill the space completely. Decisions.
Sorry to say, I haven't read anything too reassuring about Sony X-Wide Angle for the X950G. Contrast suffers.

On the other hand, if we are to believe the following review, Samsung has made strides with their Ultra Wide Angle in the Q90R 82". You might like to view this model, if possible, and compare.

https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-q9...es-ultra-wide/

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