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What's the right way to adjust expectations if you're fairly red/green colorblind?
I assume that means I should focus more on brightness, sharpness, and such over color accuracy, but I don't really know. Does it make Dolby Vision irrelevant? HDR good enough for everything? Does HDR even matter?

I can definitely look at a display model TV and say "This expensive one looks better than that cheap one" but without control over the sources displayed I'm not too sure.

My default plan is to get a 75" TCL P615, or maybe the Vizio P75-F.

My wife was able to see the difference between the TCL 4 series and 6 series and definitely supported upgrading to the 6 series, but we have a really far viewing distance (14') and moderately narrow viewing angle (~20deg from center). The way the couch is set up, we're evenly distributed on each side of the middle but usually sit at the ends.
So then I start looking at 85" models because of the distance, but there's nothing well reviewed south of $2k I can see there.

We're definitely not movies obsessed, not focused on absolute immersion. No gaming at all, except for maybe Wii Tennis.
Maybe just get a 65" for half the cost?
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What's the right way to adjust expectations if you're fairly red/green colorblind?
I assume that means I should focus more on brightness, sharpness, and such over color accuracy, but I don't really know. Does it make Dolby Vision irrelevant? HDR good enough for everything? Does HDR even matter?

I can definitely look at a display model TV and say "This expensive one looks better than that cheap one" but without control over the sources displayed I'm not too sure.

My default plan is to get a 75" TCL P615, or maybe the Vizio P75-F.

My wife was able to see the difference between the TCL 4 series and 6 series and definitely supported upgrading to the 6 series, but we have a really far viewing distance (14') and moderately narrow viewing angle (~20deg from center). The way the couch is set up, we're evenly distributed on each side of the middle but usually sit at the ends.
So then I start looking at 85" models because of the distance, but there's nothing well reviewed south of $2k I can see there.

We're definitely not movies obsessed, not focused on absolute immersion. No gaming at all, except for maybe Wii Tennis.
Maybe just get a 65" for half the cost?
This piece and its comments may help. There likely are others, as well as professional guidance availability.

https://www.quora.com/I-am-red-green...between-colors

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I'm looking for a 65" LCD predominantly for gaming
On-centre viewing in a lit/dimly lit room, rarely dark
Motion-clarity is important, good BFI is very desirable (does BFI ruin HDR?)
UK based so no Vizio etc.
Budget allows for any
It'll be used with an e-ARC AVR so e-ARC is desirable to take any worry of AVR lag out of the equation
Variable sync would be very desirable but I'm pretty sure no AVRs pass this, so e-ARC would be essential to actually use it?


I guess I should wait for info on the next-gen consoles and which HDR formats they support. Would I be right in saying that's it for 2019 TVs and we're not likely to see any more from the likes of Sony and Samsung until next year?
OLED could help, but you don't have the darkness for it. Try auditioning Sony X950G 65". Good luck. Have fun.

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This piece and its comments may help. There likely are others, as well as professional guidance availability.

https://www.quora.com/I-am-red-green...between-colors
I'm weak green, but any changes we made to accommodate my vision would just wreck things for my wife (who isn't too demanding, but would notice deliberate distortion), so I was looking more for suggestions on brands or models where color fidelity might not be the top achievement.
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I'm weak green, but any changes we made to accommodate my vision would just wreck things for my wife (who isn't too demanding, but would notice deliberate distortion), so I was looking more for suggestions on brands or models where color fidelity might not be the top achievement.
Strong Red here, "Purple is a Myth". What I've found is I'm better off with good color fidelity on the TV because then everything looks how my brain expects it. That said the Samsung's have a reputation of an excellent picture that isn't necessarily completely true to life, with more "pop" than Sony and others.

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so question for the group:

75q90r

75q80r

or

82q70r

I have the space for the 82 but the 82 version of the 90r / 80r are really out of the price range - So question, size versus performance? I know that the 70R doesn't have the ultrawide viewing or the crazy amount of zones. Just wondering if it is truly worth it to stay in the 75in cat and get the high speed tv or go big.

Basement location, lots of overhead light and next to windows. 8-10ft is average viewing distance. Movies, Sports, video games in order of priority usage.

thoughts or suggestions.
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so question for the group:

75q90r

75q80r

or

82q70r

I have the space for the 82 but the 82 version of the 90r / 80r are really out of the price range - So question, size versus performance? I know that the 70R doesn't have the ultrawide viewing or the crazy amount of zones. Just wondering if it is truly worth it to stay in the 75in cat and get the high speed tv or go big.

Basement location, lots of overhead light and next to windows. 8-10ft is average viewing distance. Movies, Sports, video games in order of priority usage.

thoughts or suggestions.
At that distance, definitely go for the higher quality 75", preferably the Q90R if you can afford it. Going from 75" to 82" isn't that big of a deal IMO.
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Is anyone's BestBuy Magnolia willing to line up an OLED, QLED, and X950 (for examples sake) next to each other and play the same footage across them? I know each vendor makes their own demo reel playing to the strengths of their individual TVs and so they all play their own loops. Just wondering if anyone has a cool Best Buy that is willing to make the setup happen for viewing. Mine isn't even willing to make sure the dark scene content playing out on the main floor is the same that plays in the Magnolia area. I don't know if this is so that the 900F and X950 "blooming issues" don't stand out. But it's so tough to make a choice when you have to go look at a model think about what it looks like, then wander to another TV that might only be out on the main floor, not in the Magnolia area, and then try to remember what you saw and make an honest comparison.

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I'm actually leaning towards the Sony A9g or Sony A8g? Would you recommend either one over the LG C8?

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Hi guys. I'm looking to buy a new TV sometime at the end of this month. My budget is around $700-800 (not more than that) and the panel size I'd prefer is a 55 inch.

The TV will be viewed from bed about 8 feet or so away. The goal is to buy something that will be solid for PS4 Pro/Xbox One X HDR gaming, UHD HDR Movies, and Netflix HDR streaming, at that $800 price point.

I've narrowed it down to three options. The Vizio P55-F1 (2018), the Vizio M558-G1 and the TCL 55 inch R615 (Best Buy model). Here's what I've gathered about them (correct me if I'm wrong):

Vizio P55-F1 (2018): Marketed as 1000 nits with a real 120 Hz panel and solid motion handling. Reviewed strongly by RTings which recommends it over the TCL 6 series. But I'm a little concerned about the 56 local dimming zones, I'm guessing the FALD isn't as good as the TCL. But the question would be is it noticeably worse in terms of contrast and black levels?

TCL 6 Series 55R615: Well reviewed. Slightly brighter than the Vizio set although also marketed as 1000 nits iirc. And has close to a hundred local dimming zones, so I expect better FALD. Also, Roku is baked in, which is great. But from what I understand the TCL is actually an 8-bit panel that dithers, to simulate 10-bit color. How much of a downside is that? Does the hurt it's handling of Dolby Vision/HDR10 content?

Vizio M-Quantum 558-G1 (2019) (not the cheaper G0): This is the newest of the three and most expensive at $800. It has a QLED panel, which is good for something (no idea honestly, colors?). It has 90 Local dimming zones, which sounds like a huge step up from P55 (2018)'s 56. But there aren't too many reviews to go by (RTings is yet to buy one) and the brightness is limited to 600 nits. The question I have: is 600 nits a massive step down? Does that hurt the value proposition?

So question the question from me is what should I go with? Feel free to share other recommendations as well and please do point out if I've got something wrong.
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Hi guys. I'm looking to buy a new TV sometime at the end of this month. My budget is around $700-800 (not more than that) and the panel size I'd prefer is a 55 inch.

The TV will be viewed from bed about 8 feet or so away. The goal is to buy something that will be solid for PS4 Pro/Xbox One X HDR gaming, UHD HDR Movies, and Netflix HDR streaming, at that $800 price point.

I've narrowed it down to three options. The Vizio P55-F1 (2018), the Vizio M558-G1 and the TCL 55 inch R615 (Best Buy model). Here's what I've gathered about them (correct me if I'm wrong):

Vizio P55-F1 (2018): Marketed as 1000 nits with a real 120 Hz panel and solid motion handling. Reviewed strongly by RTings which recommends it over the TCL 6 series. But I'm a little concerned about the 56 local dimming zones, I'm guessing the FALD isn't as good as the TCL. But the question would be is it noticeably worse in terms of contrast and black levels?

TCL 6 Series 55R615: Well reviewed. Slightly brighter than the Vizio set although also marketed as 1000 nits iirc. And has close to a hundred local dimming zones, so I expect better FALD. Also, Roku is baked in, which is great. But from what I understand the TCL is actually an 8-bit panel that dithers, to simulate 10-bit color. How much of a downside is that? Does the hurt it's handling of Dolby Vision/HDR10 content?

Vizio M-Quantum 558-G1 (2019) (not the cheaper G0): This is the newest of the three and most expensive at $800. It has a QLED panel, which is good for something (no idea honestly, colors?). It has 90 Local dimming zones, which sounds like a huge step up from P55 (2018)'s 56. But there aren't too many reviews to go by (RTings is yet to buy one) and the brightness is limited to 600 nits. The question I have: is 600 nits a massive step down? Does that hurt the value proposition?

So question the question from me is what should I go with? Feel free to share other recommendations as well and please do point out if I've got something wrong.
I have this exact question and hoping to pick one up this weekend. I am torn between the 2018 P-Series and the 2019 M-Series.
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I just received my 65" Samsung Q9FN and when unboxed the screen was shattered . Well, some other deals have come about so I'm just wanting suggestions or what you guys think is the best TV for the price right now that is listed below?
Amazon has the 65" Samsung Q9FN for $1,958 through a couple third party sellers, but still PRIME and backed by Amazon, just like the broken one i received today and I was refunded instantly. Should I get another one or should I go with the 65" Samsung Q8FN at $1,599 from the same third party sellers? Also I noticed the Sony 75" 940E is at $1,998 from a third party seller. Which should I get for using the TV mainly for HDR movies, HDR Streaming when available? I know the Sony has Dolby Vision, but that is not a make or break deal for me as HDR looks similar to DV anyway. I'll play games a little, but not a lot, mainly Movies and TV, HDR when available. Any help and suggestions much appreciated!

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I just received my 65" Samsung Q9FN and when unboxed the screen was shattered . Well, some other deals have come about so I'm just wanting suggestions or what you guys think is the best TV for the price right now that is listed below?
Amazon has the 65" Samsung Q9FN for $1,958 through a couple third party sellers, but still PRIME and backed by Amazon, just like the broken one i received today and I was refunded instantly. Should I get another one or should I go with the 65" Samsung Q8FN at $1,599 from the same third party sellers? Also I noticed the Sony 75" 940E is at $1,998 from a third party seller. Which should I get for using the TV mainly for HDR movies, HDR Streaming when available? I know the Sony has Dolby Vision, but that is not a make or break deal for me as HDR looks similar to DV anyway. I'll play games a little, but not a lot, mainly Movies and TV, HDR when available. Any help and suggestions much appreciated!

1. $2,000 or less
2. 7' to 8'
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4. HDR content when available mainly, Stream on Netflix, Vudu, Apple TV mainly, but watch some UHD HDR movies discs
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The 940E is a fantastic TV for movies with deep blacks and excellent FALD, it's only issue being a long response time which mostly affects gaming. Input lag isn't bad though.
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Best moderately priced TV for PS4 / Gaming?

Hey Guys,

I have an old Sony 55" Rear Projection TV in the basement (from 2004) and I use it for PS4 and Netflix on it only.

I am thinking of replacing it with a 65-75 inch TV.

The budget would be less than what I would have to spend on a Sony X900F let's say.

Any thoughts on this and also, is this a good time to buy or should I wait until the fall, specifically Black Friday etc.

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Any thoughts on this and also, is this a good time to buy or should I wait until the fall, specifically Black Friday etc.
This is a good time to look for a deal on a 2018 model. For a deal on a 2019 model, wait until Black Friday.
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This is a good time to look for a deal on a 2018 model. For a deal on a 2019 model, wait until Black Friday.
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The 940E is a fantastic TV for movies with deep blacks and excellent FALD, it's only issue being a long response time which mostly affects gaming. Input lag isn't bad though.
Thanks for the reply. Between the 65" Samsung Q9FN and 65" Samsung Q8FN, which do you guys recommend? Q9FN is only $350 more, but I've read alot that it is not worth the upgrade over the Q8FN as the PQ is very similar. Only difference really is the one connect box and the Blacks are darker. Between these two which should I get?
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Thanks for the reply. Between the 65" Samsung Q9FN and 65" Samsung Q8FN, which do you guys recommend? Q9FN is only $350 more, but I've read alot that it is not worth the upgrade over the Q8FN as the PQ is very similar. Only difference really is the one connect box and the Blacks are darker. Between these two which should I get?
The Q9FN suffers from over-aggressive dimming which leads to black crush and loss of details in dark scenes such as space movies. Samsung seems to care more about black bars and blooming than actual content. And the 65" Q9FN seems to have serious DSE issues, while the 75" does not. So maybe the Q8FN is a safer choice if you don't need/want the one connect box.
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Hey guys I am looking to purchase the PQ65-F1 for the time being since Costco is taking awhile to stock the new sets.Is the banding I hear about that much of an issue.This would be my 1st 4k purchase.Heard good things about this set besides the banding.
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Hey guys I am looking to purchase the PQ65-F1 for the time being since Costco is taking awhile to stock the new sets.Is the banding I hear about that much of an issue.This would be my 1st 4k purchase.Heard good things about this set besides the banding.
The banding was fixed or at least minimized on a recent firmware update, according to the owners thread. It's an excellent TV, especially at the closeout prices available these days. If you're buying from Costco, you'll have plenty of time to look for issues before the return period expires.
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The banding was fixed or at least minimized on a recent firmware update, according to the owners thread. It's an excellent TV, especially at the closeout prices available these days. If you're buying from Costco, you'll have plenty of time to look for issues before the return period expires.
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Is anyone's BestBuy Magnolia willing to line up an OLED, QLED, and X950 (for examples sake) next to each other and play the same footage across them? I know each vendor makes their own demo reel playing to the strengths of their individual TVs and so they all play their own loops. Just wondering if anyone has a cool Best Buy that is willing to make the setup happen for viewing.
Mine has an LG C8, X950G, and a higher end Sammy QLED all very near one another and running the same, non demo, content (movie trailers mostly). This is in the dark Magnolia room, and the OLED just destroys the other displays. The rising black levels off angle and blooming letterbox bars on the LCDs are just terribly obvious when they're literally right next to an OLED in the dark.

In isolation, and on the main showroom the fald LCDs look good, but the Magnolia room is basically set up to sell you an OLED. The flagship Samsung is far, far away from them in its own display, running its demo, of course.
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Hey all. I’ve got a dilemma.

I’m interested in the Sammy Q90R 75” or the Sammy Q900R 65” 2019 model. The Q90R being $300 more.

I’m a gamer and have both Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. I will be getting the PS5 and next years Xbox. They both say they’ll support 8k but no idea how. 8k 30 FPS or 8k for video only. 4K 120 is likely.

I have Xfinity 4K box. And I watch 4K Blu-ray as well as 1080p dvd. I stream Hulu, Netflix, Prime. YouTube too sometimes.

My room is dark with no light or very little. So I’d like to put these TVs at OLED brightness levels because these Sammie’s will be too bright out of the box, But I don’t want to have it ruin the picture.

I’m not sure which tv to try. And I can’t go anywhere to see them. But that doesn’t help me because my home is different.

So I hope people could help me make a decision.
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Hey all. I’ve got a dilemma.

I’m interested in the Sammy Q90R 75” or the Sammy Q900R 65” 2019 model. The Q90R being $300 more.

I’m a gamer and have both Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. I will be getting the PS5 and next years Xbox. They both say they’ll support 8k but no idea how. 8k 30 FPS or 8k for video only. 4K 120 is likely.

I have Xfinity 4K box. And I watch 4K Blu-ray as well as 1080p dvd. I stream Hulu, Netflix, Prime. YouTube too sometimes.

My room is dark with no light or very little. So I’d like to put these TVs at OLED brightness levels because these Sammie’s will be too bright out of the box, But I don’t want to have it ruin the picture.

I’m not sure which tv to try. And I can’t go anywhere to see them. But that doesn’t help me because my home is different.

So I hope people could help me make a decision.
Thank you.
The general consensus is that 8K only makes sense at larger screensizes (85+). The Q90R has deeper blacks and would be well worth $300 extra for the larger screen size (assuming you are at least 8 feet away for viewing distance). Either of them would be awesome for gaming.
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The general consensus is that 8K only makes sense at larger screensizes (85+). The Q90R has deeper blacks and would be well worth $300 extra for the larger screen size (assuming you are at least 8 feet away for viewing distance). Either of them would be awesome for gaming.
Thank you. I didn’t know about the blacks.
I’m about 9-13 feet away from the tv.

I’ve read in some articles that 4K upscaling on the 8k tv is somewhat better then on some 4K TVs running native 4K. So that’s what got me thinking. But if blacks are better plus being 75” on the Q90R then that may be the better choice right?

And my concern is it’s too bright ootb. So how could I put it at OLED like level without ruining the picture? I’ve seen 65” Q90R and lowered backlight but it seemed to hurt the picture. Where on an OLED turning down it’s OLED light didn’t hurt the image nearly as bad. So I’m just concerned because the Sammy will be too bright OOTB.

And one last thing. I’ve noticed that some reviewers say on the Sammy, white is too bright compared to the rest of the picture. An example would be watching a race. Headlights would be stronger brightness then the rest and may hurt my eyes. So can that be dealt with? To make the image bright and clear as even as possible?
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Thank you. I didn’t know about the blacks.
I’m about 9-13 feet away from the tv.

I’ve read in some articles that 4K upscaling on the 8k tv is somewhat better then on some 4K TVs running native 4K. So that’s what got me thinking. But if blacks are better plus being 75” on the Q90R then that may be the better choice right?

And my concern is it’s too bright ootb. So how could I put it at OLED like level without ruining the picture? I’ve seen 65” Q90R and lowered backlight but it seemed to hurt the picture. Where on an OLED turning down it’s OLED light didn’t hurt the image nearly as bad. So I’m just concerned because the Sammy will be too bright OOTB.

And one last thing. I’ve noticed that some reviewers say on the Sammy, white is too bright compared to the rest of the picture. An example would be watching a race. Headlights would be stronger brightness then the rest and may hurt my eyes. So can that be dealt with? To make the image bright and clear as even as possible?
At 9-13 feet you definitely would want larger than 65", and the 8k upscaling on a 65 would not be very noticeable at that distance.

I don't think you'll have a problem with the Q90R being too bright. Try the Rtngs settings, you'll probably want to use movie mode for content viewing.

Here's the Rtngs comparison of the Q90 vs the Q900
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...omparison_2317
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At 9-13 feet you definitely would want larger than 65", and the 8k upscaling on a 65 would not be very noticeable at that distance.

I don't think you'll have a problem with the Q90R being too bright. Try the Rtngs settings, you'll probably want to use movie mode for content viewing.

Here's the Rtngs comparison of the Q90 vs the Q900
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...omparison_2317
Thank you.
One thing is I play Destiny 2 on my Xbox One X. When you melee kill the aliens the image flashes real bright. I’m going to need to tone that down big time. To get the brightness like OLED I expect to have to lower the backlight quite a bit. Like half or even less. However that kind of ruins the picture. But I’m curious if this can be adjusted in settings somehow so making it less bright won’t ruin it. Like if there’s other settings I could adjust to help compensate or something.

And could calibration help the concerns I have?

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One thing is I play Destiny 2 on my Xbox One X. When you melee kill the aliens the image flashes real bright. I’m going to need to tone that down big time. To get the brightness like OLED I expect to have to lower the backlight quite a bit. Like half or even less. However that kind of ruins the picture. But I’m curious if this can be adjusted in settings somehow so making it less bright won’t ruin it. Like if there’s other settings I could adjust to help compensate or something.

And could calibration help the concerns I have?

Thank you.
Rtngs mentions that adjusting the backlight (not brightness) doesn't affect image quality. I'd recommend you buy from somewhere with a convenient return policy (perhaps free pickup), so that you can try it out. TBH I haven't seen anyone intentionally try to limit HDR brightness.

EDIT: If you're playing HDR gaming, disregard my comment as backlight is automatically maxed out in HDR mode. I'd suggest asking in the Q90 thread for suggestions on how to deal with excessive HDR gaming brightness. You might want to ask about calibration as well

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Rtngs mentions that adjusting the backlight (not brightness) doesn't affect image quality. I'd recommend you buy from somewhere with a convenient return policy (perhaps free pickup), so that you can try it out. TBH I haven't seen anyone intentionally try to limit HDR brightness.

EDIT: If you're playing HDR gaming, disregard my comment as backlight is automatically maxed out in HDR mode. I'd suggest asking in the Q90 thread for suggestions on how to deal with excessive HDR gaming brightness. You might want to ask about calibration as well
Thank you so much. I’m just concerned and don’t like returning anything. I’m wondering how going from my 65” now to 75” will be.
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Thank you so much. I’m just concerned and don’t like returning anything. I’m wondering how going from my 65” now to 75” will be.
If you're like 99% of people, you'll love the larger 75 inch screen.

Did some quick checking, some people add bias lighting to minimize HDR discomfort. Also if you add ambient lighting for your room it can help as well.
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