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Thank you so much. I’m just concerned and don’t like returning anything. I’m wondering how going from my 65” now to 75” will be.
If you're like 99% of people, you'll love the larger 75 inch screen.

Did some quick checking, some people add bias lighting to minimize HDR discomfort. Also if you add ambient lighting for your room it can help as well.
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Hello good people!

Looking to upgrade my 9 year old Sony 40" and have been looking at the 65 Q9FN. Was almost certain that would be my new TV, until I started reading about the DSE and aggressive dimming.. I watch a lot of football (soccer for you americans), movies on netflix and HBO and also game quite a bit on PS4 (fifa, destiny etc). The Q9FN is available for around $2300 here in Norway, so that's my budget. Have also been looking at the new Q70R, if Samsung have been able to get rid of the DSE and dimming issues on the new models. Sony XF9005 is on the list, but the poor response time is an issue when gaming. Only reason I haven't been going at OLED is because I'm scared of burn-ins.

Do you have any other alternatives or should I just go for one of the Samsungs?
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My 42" Panasonic plasma from 2007 is going strong, but a new home has brought with it the chance to get a new TV. I have really appreciated the way the plasma gave details to scenes what had many different levels of black (ie: a city shot from above and all of the details see on the street and in shadows). I'm not expecting an LCD to reproduce this type of detail, but as I shop, what specs and features should I be paying attention to in order to get those dark details? Local Dimming? Looking to spend less than $1,000 - ideally at Costco, 65" size. Will be mounted above fireplace (not my ideal location) and will be sitting ~8-10 ft away.
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If you're like 99% of people, you'll love the larger 75 inch screen.

Did some quick checking, some people add bias lighting to minimize HDR discomfort. Also if you add ambient lighting for your room it can help as well.
But, as far as "likes" becoming sales, only about 15% have 65" or larger, though it's growing 1 or 2% each quarter.

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Hello good people!

Looking to upgrade my 9 year old Sony 40" and have been looking at the 65 Q9FN. Was almost certain that would be my new TV, until I started reading about the DSE and aggressive dimming.. I watch a lot of football (soccer for you americans), movies on netflix and HBO and also game quite a bit on PS4 (fifa, destiny etc). The Q9FN is available for around $2300 here in Norway, so that's my budget. Have also been looking at the new Q70R, if Samsung have been able to get rid of the DSE and dimming issues on the new models. Sony XF9005 is on the list, but the poor response time is an issue when gaming. Only reason I haven't been going at OLED is because I'm scared of burn-ins.

Do you have any other alternatives or should I just go for one of the Samsungs?
That's a good price for the Q9FN, similar to B&H Photo in US. You might investigate clearance prices for the discontinued 65 Q8FN. it's been getting good AVSForum comments in comparison with the Q9FN. The Q9FN is more in line with the 2019 Sony X950, which has the Ultimate processor (rtings related info below). Note: It's always good to confirm specs country to country.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-x950g/599/764

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Hello good people!

Looking to upgrade my 9 year old Sony 40" and have been looking at the 65 Q9FN. Was almost certain that would be my new TV, until I started reading about the DSE and aggressive dimming.. I watch a lot of football (soccer for you americans), movies on netflix and HBO and also game quite a bit on PS4 (fifa, destiny etc). The Q9FN is available for around $2300 here in Norway, so that's my budget. Have also been looking at the new Q70R, if Samsung have been able to get rid of the DSE and dimming issues on the new models. Sony XF9005 is on the list, but the poor response time is an issue when gaming. Only reason I haven't been going at OLED is because I'm scared of burn-ins.

Do you have any other alternatives or should I just go for one of the Samsungs?
That's a good price for the Q9FN, similar to B&H Photo in US. You might investigate clearance prices for the discontinued 65 Q8FN. it's been getting good AVSForum comments in comparison with the Q9FN. The Q9FN is more in line with the 2019 Sony X950, which has the Ultimate processor (rtings related info below). Note: It's always good to confirm specs country to country.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-x950g/599/764

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Thanks! Will definitely check it out!
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My 42" Panasonic plasma from 2007 is going strong, but a new home has brought with it the chance to get a new TV. I have really appreciated the way the plasma gave details to scenes what had many different levels of black (ie: a city shot from above and all of the details see on the street and in shadows). I'm not expecting an LCD to reproduce this type of detail, but as I shop, what specs and features should I be paying attention to in order to get those dark details? Local Dimming? Looking to spend less than $1,000 - ideally at Costco, 65" size. Will be mounted above fireplace (not my ideal location) and will be sitting ~8-10 ft away.
Costco US, maybe a couple of choices around your budget, perhaps under and over.

Samsung - Model UN65NU740DFXZA

Sony - Model XBR65X850G/C

I don't know what Samsung model this Samsung model is comparable to. The Costco Sony is discussed on the thread linked below.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...rice-talk.html

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Are there any tvs that do 4K/120 so it’s be good for the PS5 and next Xbox?

Also why does this site ask me to try mobile version so much? I am on my iPhone but do not want to use the mobile site yet it keeps asking and I keep saying no.

The site also changes to mobile without my consent quite often.
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My friend has the 55" TCL 6 Series and I generally like it so with the current sales, I'm ready to pull the trigger on the 65" with Amazon's 15% discount using the Amazon Visa. However, I'm wondering why TCL didn't have an update for 2019. Does this mean we're likely to get a big upgrade in 2020? Maybe something like the quantum dot technology that Vizio just copied from Samsung? Should I hold off until then since reselling a 65" TV that isn't a Samsung or LG seems really difficult?

I know new technology is always coming so you can end up waiting forever, but for something like an HDTV that you'll have for at least 5 years, it seems worth waiting if there's something substantially better just a few months away.

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Budget: $1000 but that's a stretch and realistically I'd like to spend less
Seating distance: 10-12" feet
Size/placement limitations: none. It will be sitting on a dresser that's 63" wide
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Are there any TVs with built in Bluetooth? Hearing impaired, need headphones in the ear canal to help in my enjoyment of programming.

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I believe you can use a Bluetooth 3.5mm adapter if the TV has a 3.5mm audio out. The Sony 900F and the TCL 6 series have 3.5mm out, there might be other TVs that have the feature as well.
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Are there any TVs with built in Bluetooth? Hearing impaired, need headphones in the ear canal to help in my enjoyment of programming.

There are over a hundred Bluetooth Enabled TVs on the Best Buy website, but it might make sense to also check for compatibility with what you want to use. For example my Sony TV from 2014 has Bluetooth, yet the manual only lists Bluetooth mice, so my current TV would probably need an external adapter. Some of the more recent TVs indicate Bluetooth A2DP audio support, which means you might not need an external adapter with certain TVs. I'd probably try testing compatibility in a store.
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I have a Samsung JS8500 65" that I loved until I put a tiny chip in the screen. Now its all I can see.

Since I wasn't planing on buying a TV anytime soon, I'm wondering the cheapest TV I can buy that would look the same or better as the JS8500. Since I'm spending the money I might spend more and go 75 inch to make me feel better about damaging my perfectly good TV.
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My friend has the 55" TCL 6 Series and I generally like it so with the current sales, I'm ready to pull the trigger on the 65" with Amazon's 15% discount using the Amazon Visa. However, I'm wondering why TCL didn't have an update for 2019. Does this mean we're likely to get a big upgrade in 2020? Maybe something like the quantum dot technology that Vizio just copied from Samsung? Should I hold off until then since reselling a 65" TV that isn't a Samsung or LG seems really difficult?

I know new technology is always coming so you can end up waiting forever, but for something like an HDTV that you'll have for at least 5 years, it seems worth waiting if there's something substantially better just a few months away.

To satisfy the OP:

Budget: $1000 but that's a stretch and realistically I'd like to spend less
Seating distance: 10-12" feet
Size/placement limitations: none. It will be sitting on a dresser that's 63" wide
Uses and sources: mostly streaming Netflix/HBO/Youtube, lots of music playback including Youtube and Spotify, hopefully Plex will work to stream 4k from my PC, some OTA for sports
Room lighting: Well controlled
TCL is upgrading for 2019. Seems like big upgrades too. Looks like they wanna play with the big boys.
https://www.tclelectronics.com.au/ces2019/
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My friend has the 55" TCL 6 Series and I generally like it so with the current sales, I'm ready to pull the trigger on the 65" with Amazon's 15% discount using the Amazon Visa. However, I'm wondering why TCL didn't have an update for 2019. Does this mean we're likely to get a big upgrade in 2020? Maybe something like the quantum dot technology that Vizio just copied from Samsung? Should I hold off until then since reselling a 65" TV that isn't a Samsung or LG seems really difficult?

I know new technology is always coming so you can end up waiting forever, but for something like an HDTV that you'll have for at least 5 years, it seems worth waiting if there's something substantially better just a few months away.

To satisfy the OP:

Budget: $1000 but that's a stretch and realistically I'd like to spend less
Seating distance: 10-12" feet
Size/placement limitations: none. It will be sitting on a dresser that's 63" wide
Uses and sources: mostly streaming Netflix/HBO/Youtube, lots of music playback including Youtube and Spotify, hopefully Plex will work to stream 4k from my PC, some OTA for sports
Room lighting: Well controlled
TCL is upgrading for 2019. Seems like big upgrades too. Looks like they wanna play with the big boys.
https://www.tclelectronics.com.au/ces2019/
I had no idea they were releasing the X7 with quantum dots and Android TV —I had only heard about the 75” 6 Series.

The 65” 6 Series released at $1,000 so maybe this is as good as it’ll get for a while?

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I had no idea they were releasing the X7 with quantum dots and Android TV —I had only heard about the 75” 6 Series.

The 65” 6 Series released at $1,000 so maybe this is as good as it’ll get for a while?
Based on your description a 65" 6series is a great deal, and the 75" isn't too far out of budget.
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I just got my 65" Q9FN and when in game mode the motion is smooth for a few seconds and then becomes really jerky, lots of stutter for a few seconds and then it smooths out again. Does this constantly. I'm assuming it's a bad panel because this can't be normal. Otherwise the PQ in HDR is amazing, but I can't handle the jerky, stuttering picture in Game Mode, which I have to have it in to play certain games. Otherwise the delay from pushing the button to it happening on screen is slow, delayed to much with sports games, which I play mostly.
Anyway, I've already requested a return, but I wanted to see if you guys think I should get another 65" Q9FN, 65" Q8FN ($400 less) or go with the Sony 75" 940E since it has dropped to the same price as the Q9FN? I've heard the PQ between the Q8FN and Q9FN are very similar, but I don't know for sure. I want a nice clean, crisp picture that WOWS me, which the Q9FN did very well watching HDR movies. Plus, I'm not sure how the Sony 940E compares to the Q9FN as far as PQ?? I'm tempted to go with the Sony 940E since it has the best rating for HDR Movies on rtings.com, even better than the Q9FN by a point. I just don't know how it actually compares to the Q9FN.
Any feedback much appreciated. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Welp. I just pulled the trigger on the Samsung Q900RB 75” 2019 model. I sure hope I like it. Should be here July 6. I’m very nervous.
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Welp. I just pulled the trigger on the Samsung Q900RB 75” 2019 model. I sure hope I like it. Should be here July 6. I’m very nervous.
Entering the panel lottery comes with a certain amount of anxiety, as do many things in life. But, the odds are in your favor. Cup more than half full says you're in for a treat. Good luck. Have fun.

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Who has this tv? Who’s seen it on Xbox os PlayStation or satellite or cable or Blu-ray?
I have the E6 65” now. I sit about 8-11 feet from tv. In that range. Dark room no lights. I do know the Sammy will be too bright.
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Please help me get a budget 55" tv for my mother. She does not watch UHD, HDR, or "4k" content. She just watches broadcast shows and cable. All the reviews seem to be aimed at the 4k performance. Her current TV is a Samsung LN46D630, which got great reviews in 2012 for a mid-range, no frills model. It is a LCD, but not LED lit.

To her (and me to be honest) that old tv has a good picture. Goal is to increase size from 46" to 55" without loosing picture quality, and for cheap! Smart features and 4k really won't be used.


1. Budget = Under $500, $400 would be great
2. Seating distance = 8 to 15 ft
3. Size = 55"
4. Uses and sources = cable 1080hd
5. Room lighting = Can be a little bright during day, but mostly evening watching


Some we were considering, but really have no clue what is decent...


Samsung NU7100 or NU6900 Both $400
TCL 55s517 $400
TCL 55r617 $425


Suggestions or advice?
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Vizio V-series is right in the middle of your price range, $450 for the 55" model: V556-G1, and gets you into a backlit TV with (basic) local dimming.

Just beware, there's a V555-G1 model that's not as good, and pretty much the same price. Vizio's model lineup this year is a mess.
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Please help me get a budget 55" tv for my mother. She does not watch UHD, HDR, or "4k" content. She just watches broadcast shows and cable. All the reviews seem to be aimed at the 4k performance. Her current TV is a Samsung LN46D630, which got great reviews in 2012 for a mid-range, no frills model. It is a LCD, but not LED lit.

To her (and me to be honest) that old tv has a good picture. Goal is to increase size from 46" to 55" without loosing picture quality, and for cheap! Smart features and 4k really won't be used.


1. Budget = Under $500, $400 would be great
2. Seating distance = 8 to 15 ft
3. Size = 55"
4. Uses and sources = cable 1080hd
5. Room lighting = Can be a little bright during day, but mostly evening watching


Some we were considering, but really have no clue what is decent...


Samsung NU7100 or NU6900 Both $400
TCL 55s517 $400
TCL 55r617 $425


Suggestions or advice?
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Vizio V-series is right in the middle of your price range, $450 for the 55" model: V556-G1, and gets you into a backlit TV with (basic) local dimming.

Just beware, there's a V555-G1 model that's not as good, and pretty much the same price. Vizio's model lineup this year is a mess.
The V556-G1 has only 10 zones, likely 5 vertical and 2 horizontal. IMO I'd rather have no local dimming at all. Since your mother does not watch any UHD, HDR, or "4k" content, local dimming has no use to her. So my advice is to avoid all budget TVs with any kind of low-end local dimming.

The best TV on your list performance wise, is the TCL 55R617. It does have FALD, but it works pretty decent and the TCL 55R617 is much brighter than any other TV at that price point. The downside is the poor QC which seems to afflict Chinese TV manufacturers like TCL and Hisense. Also your mother would be unlikely to have any interest in the Roku operating system.
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I missed that he was considering the R617; that will without doubt be the best option at $500. I've not seen it for less than that from reputable sellers with a return policy though.
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Please help me get a budget 55" tv for my mother. She does not watch UHD, HDR, or "4k" content. She just watches broadcast shows and cable. All the reviews seem to be aimed at the 4k performance. Her current TV is a Samsung LN46D630, which got great reviews in 2012 for a mid-range, no frills model. It is a LCD, but not LED lit.

To her (and me to be honest) that old tv has a good picture. Goal is to increase size from 46" to 55" without loosing picture quality, and for cheap! Smart features and 4k really won't be used.


1. Budget = Under $500, $400 would be great
2. Seating distance = 8 to 15 ft
3. Size = 55"
4. Uses and sources = cable 1080hd
5. Room lighting = Can be a little bright during day, but mostly evening watching


Some we were considering, but really have no clue what is decent...


Samsung NU7100 or NU6900 Both $400
TCL 55s517 $400
TCL 55r617 $425


Suggestions or advice?
Agreed, get the TCL R617. Even though the main advantages are for 4K HDR compared to the alternatives, it upscales well for HD content. The 4K HDR and Roku system don't have to be used but they at least offer some future proofing in the event that your mom starts watching 4K HDR in the future. The Vizio V is also good but doesn't upscale as well for HD content.
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I missed that he was considering the R617; that will without doubt be the best option at $500. I've not seen it for less than that from reputable sellers with a return policy though.
TCL R617 55", $529.99 at B&H Photo, may be cheaper elsewhere.

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Sorry for the delay guys, I thought I would get an email if any replies were made.


I did end up ordering the TCL R617 and just got it today. I did a white screen test(been reading the forum) and the dirty screen effect isn't bad at all, but, there's always a "but" . There's about 8 tiny spots that resemble dirt on the screen, but might be dead pixels, or actual dirt behind the glass? Also, there are 2 dark circle areas that would drive me crazy. Corners are dark, but could live with that. I think I'm going to exchange it. I tried to take photos(see below), but my low end camera didn't take good clear pics. I bought through Amazon and would have been extremely happy if it weren't for these little flaws. The price was good too, $500 but I get $75 Amazon credit back for using their credit card.



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Replacement will be here July 2nd. If that one isn't good, I'll be forced to pickup something locally at a Bestbuy, Walmart, etc.
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Question Buying a new TV after 11 years -- please help!

Hey guys, some of you helped me buy my Samsung LN52A550 back in 2008, which has worked great all this time but has now sadly died. The good news is that now I get to buy a new TV! I've been researching TVs this week but have not followed the tech in 11 years so it's a lot to take in.

I was hoping for some advice on which TV to get. Budget isn't super fixed but was hoping for around $1,000 or less, but could go higher. We mainly watch TV shows and movies served from a Plex server and Netflix, with an Apple TV as the source. No sports and no broadcast TV. Very occasional DVD or Blu-Ray. The room is usually medium to low lighting.

I first hit up The Wirecutter review site, and they recommended the Vizio P-Series F1 followed by the TCL 6-Series. In reading the owner threads here, it seems that the Vizio has screen issues, and the TCL has quality issues, but maybe those are normal risks when buying a large LCD panel?

Anyway, what do you think, the Vizio P65-F1 or the TCL 65R617? (Or something else?) The Vizio's 120 Hz screen sounds appealing, but the TCL costs less. I don't think I'm as discerning a viewer as some of you experts, but I'd like a nice picture because sometimes my eyes tend to pick out flaws and then obsess over them.

Thanks!

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Update: I just read the comments on that Wirecutter review, and there are an awful lot of complaints about the Vizio's picture quality. And several suggestions to spend a few hundred more and get a "better quality brand" like Samsung. What do you guys think?

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I'm debating upgrading from an 80 inch Sharp 1080p LCD TV and am wondering what the best 80 inch or larger (85 inch size tv's will fit in the space available) 4k TV is for someone that watches a lot of sports, movies, and plays a lot of video games. I'm hoping to future proof for the upcoming new PlayStation 5 and Xbox consoles if possible.

I've been looking at the Sony XBR85X900F and XBR85X950G models and wondering if the XBR85X950G is worth the extra $1,000 or if there's a better option.

1. Budget = Under $5,000 US
2. Seating distance = about 15 feet (TV is hung above a fireplace)
3. Size = 80" or larger (prefer 85" or larger)
4. Uses and sources = YouTube TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Plex 1080p movies (likely 4k movies too), lots of video games (will buy next gen Xbox and PlayStation 5 consoles on launch days). I use an NVidia Shield TV for YouTube TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, and Plex.
5. Room lighting = Bright during the day, with windows on either side of the TV.
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