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Samsung RU8000 75" Class HDR 4K UHD $1697.99



TCL 6-Series R617 75" Class HDR 4K UHD $1399.99



Prices at B&H Photo, may be cheaper elsewhere.



Side-by-side rtings comparative review of last year's Samsung NU8000 and TCL 617, to give you some idea of what they offer. Both VA panels.



https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...l-r617/586/613
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The Q7FN on Amazon is the 2018 model. The Costco Q7DR is the 2019 model. In some ways it's improved, it has deeper blacks due to the local dimming and it has better motion control for judder. The 2018 is brighter in SDR, better for anti reflection and better color. Overall for your purposes, I'd say the 2018 is a better fit but that's your call.

Most places have July 4th pricing, the Amazon price is the best one I can find at the moment.
Thank you.

I am leaning towards the QN55Q80RAFXZA now that I have access to a Samsung discount program. I'll wait and see if Samsung has a sale on the 4th but it is already a decent price. The 70R is less than the Q7FN on Amazon.

I am succumbing to my typical overkill tendencies. We have a smaller Samsung 3D capable LCD in our bedroom that we rarely turn on other than my wife doing yoga with a YouTube channel.

Both my wife and I dislike what we perceive as the unnatural look of older LCD's and an almost wax-figure look of people. I hope the more current QLED improves on that perception. We are used to the great blacks of our Pioneer Elite® PRO-141FD KURO™ plasma and the JVC front projector that have a much more natural look in our opinion.

As a special purpose TV, LCD will be fine.

Thanks again.

Edit: Mission accomplished, my new "Command Center" monitor, a 55" Samsung Q80R with HW-Q80R Soundbar and Craigslist Special Bell'o PVS-4218HG. I'll be monitoring security cameras in a way that would make Jack Byrnes proud, and I'm sure to watch a bit of 4K and UHD.

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You're welcome.

FYI 2019 Samsung RU8000 review from rtings.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ru8000

The Samsung RU8000 is VA panel, Edge-lit, 120 Hz native refresh, better motion.

The TCL R617 is VA panel, Direct-lit, 60 Hz native refresh, better local dimming and HDR.

rtings Picture Quality (updated): TCL R617 (2018) 8.0; Samsung NU8000 (2018) 7.8; Samsung RU8000 (2019) 7.5.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality

Note: rtings rate the 2018 Samsung NU8000 slightly better than the 2019 Samsung RU8000 in local dimming and HDR.

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I just saw a post where someone mentioned employee discounts. So I checked our corporate benefits and Samsung is on there. I logged in and found they only have the Q70/80/90R, but the Q70R 75" is right at my price Target.

It looks like high marks at rtings.com. thoughts?

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I just saw a post where someone mentioned employee discounts. So I checked our corporate benefits and Samsung is on there. I logged in and found they only have the Q70/80/90R, but the Q70R 75" is right at my price Target.

It looks like high marks at rtings.com. thoughts?
Good play, go for it. Local dimming and HDR are in another world, compared to the aforementioned. Enjoy.

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I did end up ordering the TCL R617 and just got it today. I did a white screen test(been reading the forum) and the dirty screen effect isn't bad at all, but, there's always a "but" . There's about 8 tiny spots that resemble dirt on the screen, but might be dead pixels, or actual dirt behind the glass? Also, there are 2 dark circle areas that would drive me crazy. Corners are dark, but could live with that. I think I'm going to exchange it. I tried to take photos(see below), but my low end camera didn't take good clear pics. I bought through Amazon and would have been extremely happy if it weren't for these little flaws. The price was good too, $500 but I get $75 Amazon credit back for using their credit card.



Will keep you guys posted. Hoping to get it resolved by the 4th, which is her birthday.



Just wanted to update that the replacement I got did not have flaws like the 1st one. Now happy with the TCL R617 for the money spent. Thanks all!
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I'm undecided between the LG Nanocell 9000 series in 65" & the Samsung QLED model QN65Q60R. Is one superior to the other?
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I'm undecided between the LG Nanocell 9000 series in 65" & the Samsung QLED model QN65Q60R. Is one superior to the other?
LG, with IPS panel, Direct-lit, wide angle viewing, poor contrast. Samsung, with VA panel, Edge-lit, narrower viewing, better contrast.

rtings side-by-side review:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...g-q60r/601/780

TCL R617 (VA panel) is another to consider. Reviews as follows.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...g-q60r/613/780

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...l-r617/601/613

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So I’m in the market for a 75” TV. It will be replacing a 55” Samsung ks8000. Not going OLED because of my wife and young kids have a tendency to leave the tv on menu screens, so I’d rather not chance it.

Budget is pretty open, although the more expensive the tv the longer I must wait.

I can get Samsung employee pricing which clearly makes them a great choice. However it seems like Samsung has more quality issues than they used to. That does have me slightly reluctant. EPP pricing on the Q80R is $2400 and Q90R is $3200. Pretty crazy deals.

I’d like a tv with good black levels as we mostly watch tv in this room at night. Sound quality doesn’t matter as I run a 5.2 home theater and I mostly use my Xbox one s to run apps and games. 40% gaming 60% streaming movies and tv.

What tv should I get?

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So I’m in the market for a 75” TV. It will be replacing a 55” Samsung ks8000. Not going OLED because of my wife and young kids have a tendency to leave the tv on menu screens, so I’d rather not chance it.
Budget is pretty open, although the more expensive the tv the longer I must wait.
I can get Samsung employee pricing which clearly makes them a great choice. However it seems like Samsung has more quality issues than they used to. That does have me slightly reluctant. EPP pricing on the Q80R is $2400 and Q90R is $3200. Pretty crazy deals.
I’d like a tv with good black levels as we mostly watch tv in this room at night. Sound quality doesn’t matter as I run a 5.2 home theater and I mostly use my Xbox one s to run apps and games. 40% gaming 60% streaming movies and tv.
What tv should I get?
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Overall, Q90 or Q80.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-type/led-lcd

Contrast ratio, Q70.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...contrast-ratio

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My Samsung PN60F8500 died today. I think it's the power supply board. I'm weighing my options.

I have no money to spend on a high quality OLED.

I know LCD has made some strides in the last few years, but will anything come close to my top shelf 6 year old Plasma in terms of picture quality? I hate motion blur and black levels that look gray. Therefore, my choice of the Plasma years ago.

So, what's out there that might come close?

Oh yeah, after this latest Samsung experience, I'm inclined to stay away from them on this next purchase.

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My Samsung PN60F8500 died today. I think it's the power supply board. I'm weighing my options.
I have no money to spend on a high quality OLED.
I know LCD has made some strides in the last few years, but will anything come close to my top shelf 6 year old Plasma in terms of picture quality? I hate motion blur and black levels that look gray. Therefore, my choice of the Plasma years ago.
So, what's out there that might come close?
Oh yeah, after this latest Samsung experience, I'm inclined to stay away from them on this next purchase.
Thanks in advance,
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You'll have to decide what comes close enough, with hopefully, in-store eyes inspection.

Possibilities...

Vizio P Series Quantum ($1799.99), Sony X900F ($1498.00), TCL R617 ($749.99). All 65" at B&H Photo. May be cheaper elsewhere.

Related:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vi...series-quantum

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tc...ries-r617-2018

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At these prices, an LG OLED may also come into play if you don't mind a an older model and a reduction in panel size to 55". Not sure if it will meet your no motion blur requirement though, but the blank levels should be great. Check out prices at the egg. Amazon Prime day may also be worth checking out for LG OLEDs.


Good luck! Hope you find a TV that you will enjoy for a long time!
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At these prices, an LG OLED may also come into play if you don't mind a an older model and a reduction in panel size to 55".
Smaller would be fine. My 60" was hanging off the edge of my stand anyway.

I'm researching the cost of rebuilding the power supply board now. I just hate the thought of throwing good money away if it won't last. I only paid 800.00 for the PN60F8500 after it was discontinued. It was a display model, so hours are much higher, I'm sure, than the 5 years of typical owners use that I've had it.

Problem I have now, is money is really tight. My wife is out of work on medical leave.
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Smaller would be fine. My 60" was hanging off the edge of my stand anyway.

I'm researching the cost of rebuilding the power supply board now. I just hate the thought of throwing good money away if it won't last. I only paid 800.00 for the PN60F8500 after it was discontinued. It was a display model, so hours are much higher, I'm sure, than the 5 years of typical owners use that I've had it.

Problem I have now, is money is really tight. My wife is out of work on medical leave.
As a former plasma (Kuro 151FD) owner, I wouldn't gamble on investing in a power supply for the plasma. LCDs have come a long way in contrast and motion.

With money tight, I'd recommend a 55 inch or 65 inch TCL 6 series. Blacks are excellent, motion is good despite it being a 60 Hz panel. Earlier models had grey uniformity issues but that seems to have been corrected in newer production runs. Regardless it would be wise to buy from somewhere where returns are convenient if necessary. Best Buy has a good deal on both sizes, keep in mind that modern TVs have very small bezels so check the dimensions compared to your Samsung plasma.
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Greetings friends, I could really use some advice as I'm not up to speed of the ins and outs of these modern tv's. This is what I can tell you

1-budget-2700 US dollars, 3200 Canadian dollars

2-must be 70,75 or 77 inch tv.

3-I have a Very dark room.

4- apps arent important to me, I won't be using the tv apps. I like video games, but i just seem to rarely get around to playing them.

5- must-have good Contrast.

6- I will be sitting far back from the tv most of the time, I mean like 15 feet.

7 - The tv will have to be on a table that is 32 inches high and I don't have a high chair.

8- Watch Netflix and Sports

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I could really use your help and would love to hear from you. A huge thank you in advance to anyone who can offer me insight. Have a great day.

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Greetings friends, I could really use some advice as I'm not up to speed of the ins and outs of these modern tv's. This is what I can tell you

1-budget-2700 US dollars, 3200 Canadian dollars

2-must be 70,75 or 77 inch tv.

3-I have a Very dark room.

4- apps arent important to me, I won't be using the tv apps. I like video games, but i just seem to rarely get around to playing them.

5- must-have good off viewing angles.

6- I will be sitting far back from the tv most of the time, I mean like 15 feet.

7 - The tv will have to be on a table that is 32 inches high and I don't have a high chair.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I could really use your help and would love to hear from you. A huge thank you in advance to anyone who can offer me insight. Have a great day.

Kinds regards,

Jerry from Canada
Based on your criteria and looking at an Amazon.ca price search, the 75 inch Sony XBR850F is the best choice at $2498 CAD. It has an IPS panel which gives good viewing angles, and Sonys are known for good motion and upscaling of HD content to 4K. It's a 2018 model which will help you get a better TV for your budget due to closeout pricing.

How much off angle viewing do you expect to be doing, and do you know what angle (in terms of degrees)? From 15 feet, the viewing angle is lessened. IPS panels improve viewing angles but they sacrifice black levels which is generally regarded as the single most important aspect of picture quality (see Rtngs scoring model located here). Black levels are particularly important for a dark room as you indicated. If you're open to modifying your criteria, you might want to put contrast as a priority over viewing angles. Also at 15 feet, it's recommended to get the largest screen in your budget. Under this revised criteria, the Samsung 82 inch RU8000 is available right at the top of your $3300 CAD budget.

If you're purchasing in the US, the Sony 85 inch XBR850G would be a good choice at $2500 USD
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Greetings friends, I could really use some advice as I'm not up to speed of the ins and outs of these modern tv's. This is what I can tell you



1-budget-2700 US dollars, 3200 Canadian dollars



2-must be 70,75 or 77 inch tv.



3-I have a Very dark room.



4- apps arent important to me, I won't be using the tv apps. I like video games, but i just seem to rarely get around to playing them.



5- must-have good off viewing angles.



6- I will be sitting far back from the tv most of the time, I mean like 15 feet.



7 - The tv will have to be on a table that is 32 inches high and I don't have a high chair.



Can anyone point me in the right direction? I could really use your help and would love to hear from you. A huge thank you in advance to anyone who can offer me insight. Have a great day.



Kinds regards,



Jerry from Canada
Don't know about Canada, but in the US the 75" Samsung Q80R is available at $2400 if you have an employee discount through work (some big companies have this benefit).

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Don't know about Canada, but in the US the 75" Samsung Q80R is available at $2400 if you have an employee discount through work (some big companies have this benefit).

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A quick online search shows that Amazon and Best Buy in Canada list the 75" Q80R for $5,500.
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So im looking at either a Samsung q7fn or a Vizio P series both 2018 obviously because they're both on sale. The edge lit on the q7 concerns me but idk enough to know if its just me over thinking things. I was also interested in the Sony 85 850g or LG 86 8070 but the lack of reviews has pushed me away. Wondering what everyones thoughts are.
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So im looking at either a Samsung q7fn or a Vizio P series both 2018 obviously because they're both on sale. The edge lit on the q7 concerns me but idk enough to know if its just me over thinking things. I was also interested in the Sony 85 850g or LG 86 8070 but the lack of reviews has pushed me away. Wondering what everyones thoughts are.
What will you be watching on the TV? Cable TV, sports, 4K HDR movies? How far will you be sitting from the TV? Do you need wide viewing angles in your room? What is your budget?

The TVs you mention are very different:

Samsung Q7FN- Edge lit VA panel with local dimming.
Vizio P - Direct lit VA panel with FALD.
Sony 850G 85" - Direct lit VA panel with no local dimming.
LG 8070 86" - Direct lit IPS panel with no local dimming.
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What will you be watching on the TV? Cable TV, sports, 4K HDR movies? How far will you be sitting from the TV? Do you need wide viewing angles in your room? What is your budget?

The TVs you mention are very different:

Samsung Q7FN- Edge lit VA panel with local dimming.
Vizio P - Direct lit VA panel with FALD.
Sony 850G 85" - Direct lit VA panel with no local dimming.
LG 8070 86" - Direct lit IPS panel with no local dimming.
We sit roughly 15 feet back and the room has windows on the sides. The tv is in the center of the room so wide viewing angles isnt a huge deal unless we have a lot of company over. We will watch 4k movies, blue rays and a ton of sports. $2500 or so is about what I want to spend but may be willing to go higher but anything less the better
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We sit roughly 15 feet back and the room has windows on the sides. The tv is in the center of the room so wide viewing angles isnt a huge deal unless we have a lot of company over. We will watch 4k movies, blue rays and a ton of sports. $2500 or so is about what I want to spend but may be willing to go higher but anything less the better
Then you need a large TV, 75" minimum. Sports requires good motion control and fast response time. Will you watch sports on cable TV? If so, you need good upscaling especially in a larger TV.

You mention windows, but will the room be dark most of the time, or will you be watching in the daylight or at night with lights on?
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Then you need a large TV, 75" minimum. Sports requires good motion control and fast response time. Will you watch sports on cable TV? If so, you need good upscaling especially in a larger TV.

You mention windows, but will the room be dark most of the time, or will you be watching in the daylight or at night with lights on?
We are streaming from hulu. The windows are usually shut when watching sports. At night the wife likes to have a light on
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Thank you PlanetAvs and all who chimed in with an opinion, I really appreciate it. I have changed viewing angles to good contrast as you suggested Mr. Planet. I'm also taking a real close look at the Samsung 82 inch RU8000, Have a great night.
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We are streaming from hulu. The windows are usually shut when watching sports. At night the wife likes to have a light on
Watching sometimes in the dark from directly in front, a VA panel would be best. At 15 feet, the larger 85" Sony 850G is the right size, has great motion control and fast response time for sports, and deep blacks but no FALD for better HDR. The Vizio P is only 75", has FALD and deep blacks for good HDR but is known to have banding and some gray uniformity issues which affect sports but it does have a fast response time. Your budget limits your choices but if I were you I'd want an 85" rather than a 75" at 15 feet away.

There are also some 82" Samsung TVs in your price range, the RU8000 and Q60R, neither of which have any local dimming but have edge-lit VA panels with good motion processing and fast response times.

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Watching sometimes in the dark from directly in front, a VA panel would be best. At 15 feet, the larger 85" Sony 850G is the right size, has great motion control and fast response time for sports, and deep blacks but no FALD for better HDR. The Vizio P is only 75", has FALD and deep blacks for good HDR but is known to have banding and some gray uniformity issues which affect sports but it does have a fast response time. Your budget limits your choices but if I were you I'd want an 85" rather than a 75" at 15 feet away.

There are also some 82" Samsung TVs in your price range, the RU8000 and Q60R, neither of which have any local dimming but have edge-lit VA panels with good motion processing and fast response times.
I do agree. Been looking for that Sony but it's not on greentoe yet and hasn't been on sale. Might be waiting until black friday lol
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I do agree. Been looking for that Sony but it's not on greentoe yet and hasn't been on sale. Might be waiting until black friday lol
If I were in the market for a +80 screen, I'd go with the Sony 85 inch 850G as well. Do a google search and you'll find your price

There's also some all time low prices on the 85 inch 900F if you bump up your budget a bit, which will get your full array local dimming.
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