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Is it bad though? I mean there's going to be blooming on every FALD TV but on the Sony it's to the point where it's too distracting, especially if it's bleeding into the black bars. I also just discovered I can get a Samsung Q80 for the same price so I guess I have a lot to consider.
The Q80 gets good reviews, much better than the Q70. The only real consideration is the Samsungs tend to have more saturated colors than the Sony. The Sony is "truer to reality. Some prefer the Samsung, some the Sony way. I do believe the blooming is better on the Q80 but DSE is a consideration. It is all trade-offs and depends on what you like.

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LG C8 or Sony 950G. Price on the C8 would be about $200-300 more. I've narrowed it down to these two. The tv will be in a corner of the room so I'm not sure the wide angle viewing of the OLED will be a significant benefit.
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LG C8 or Sony 950G. Price on the C8 would be about $200-300 more. I've narrowed it down to these two. The tv will be in a corner of the room so I'm not sure the wide angle viewing of the OLED will be a significant benefit.
I would go for the C8 unless you are worried about burn-in for some reason. Gamers and avid fans of news networks are the ones that will occasionally have burn-in issues.

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Getting a 80" class LCD for our new house great room. Price range around $5000. Sitting around 12-15 feet away. Mounted above low fireplace. Was originally dead set on the 82 Q90, but was turned off by the reddish skin tones (I'm a photog on the side) and the break out box which will be a hindrance as I don't want much wires/boxes around the TV. The Q90 has a bit better FALD vs the Q80, but the Q80 still has reddish skin tones. Started looking at the X950G but seems to be overpriced as it seems to be competing at the Q70 level at an almost Q90 price albeit at 85 vs 82. But the Sony colors are much better than the Samsung. Can the Samsung's be set to get rid of the oversaturated colors vs Sony? Is the Sony's overblooming issues overblown? (I couldn't really test this in the showroom)

Mainly for general use, video games with PS4 Pro, sports, movies with family etc...

I've ruled out OLED as we used to have a LG c8 55 in our previous house viewing area and it's now in my "man-cave" as family got tired of me yelling "Don't play games too long without a break". No PAUSING for prolonged periods of time etc...
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Getting a 80" class LCD for our new house great room. Price range around $5000. Sitting around 12-15 feet away. Mounted above low fireplace. Was originally dead set on the 82 Q90, but was turned off by the reddish skin tones (I'm a photog on the side) and the break out box which will be a hindrance as I don't want much wires/boxes around the TV. The Q90 has a bit better FALD vs the Q80, but the Q80 still has reddish skin tones. Started looking at the X950G but seems to be overpriced as it seems to be competing at the Q70 level at an almost Q90 price albeit at 85 vs 82. But the Sony colors are much better than the Samsung. Can the Samsung's be set to get rid of the oversaturated colors vs Sony? Is the Sony's overblooming issues overblown? (I couldn't really test this in the showroom)

Mainly for general use, video games with PS4 Pro, sports, movies with family etc...

I've ruled out OLED as we used to have a LG c8 55 in our previous house viewing area and it's now in my "man-cave" as family got tired of me yelling "Don't play games too long without a break". No PAUSING for prolonged periods of time etc...
The Sony X900F 85" might be good consideration.

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Still lost after lots of research.


Current TV is from 2007. A 70" Sony SXRD rear projection. As of 2-3 years ago, I hadn't seen anything that stood up to it,.. but I think it's about to go out.

Viewing distance is 13' with current TV. Would be 15' if I wall mounted a thin TV,.. but would probably end up being 13' again, as I have speakers and such,.. so I'll need to buy a high-end wall mount and pull it back into the room a couple feet (where it belongs anyway).


I DO NOT watch in total darkness (I find it annoying,.. and so I leave a small light on if I'm watching TV at night)


I DO NOT watch blockbuster movies with black bars.


Mainly cable TV shows, Football, Formula One races, and some Netflix documentaries, West Wing reruns etc.


I have NO INTEREST in apps, and this set will never be connecting to internet.






So,....... looking at TV's in the 77" - 88" range,.. what would you suggest?




I was considering the 77" LG C8 OLED,.. but it seems it's biggest party trick is excessively perfect blacks, to the point of being unnatural (as perfect black DON'T exist in real life),.... and picture quality when watched in a perfectly dark room (which I would never do). So the question comes up,.. it it worth paying extra money to get a 77" one of those instead of an 82" or 88" something else?


Other considerations have been the;

82" Samsung Q90

85" Sony 950G (Told it has great processing,.. so it does better than most anything at up-scaling cable TV,. which is what I mostly watch)


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Still lost after lots of research.


Current TV is from 2007. A 70" Sony SXRD rear projection. As of 2-3 years ago, I hadn't seen anything that stood up to it,.. but I think it's about to go out.

Viewing distance is 13' with current TV. Would be 15' if I wall mounted a thin TV,.. but would probably end up being 13' again, as I have speakers and such,.. so I'll need to buy a high-end wall mount and pull it back into the room a couple feet (where it belongs anyway).
I DO NOT watch in total darkness (I find it annoying,.. and so I leave a small light on if I'm watching TV at night)
I DO NOT watch blockbuster movies with black bars.
Mainly cable TV shows, Football, Formula One races, and some Netflix documentaries, West Wing reruns etc.
I have NO INTEREST in apps, and this set will never be connecting to internet.
So,....... looking at TV's in the 77" - 88" range,.. what would you suggest?

I was considering the 77" LG C8 OLED,.. but it seems it's biggest party trick is excessively perfect blacks, to the point of being unnatural (as perfect black DON'T exist in real life),.... and picture quality when watched in a perfectly dark room (which I would never do). So the question comes up,.. it it worth paying extra money to get a 77" one of those instead of an 82" or 88" something else?
Other considerations have been the;
82" Samsung Q90
85" Sony 950G (Told it has great processing,.. so it does better than most anything at up-scaling cable TV,. which is what I mostly watch)
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See above material I posted re Sony X900F. The 75" might be better for a wall mount. Others can comment on that, since I have no experience wall-mounting big stuff.

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See above material I posted re Sony X900F. The 75" might be better for a wall mount. Others can comment on that, since I have no experience wall-mounting big stuff.

Good luck. Have fun.

I've studied up a bit on the 900F. Seems people think it has a tiny bit better picture (when watching high-def stuff like 4k),... but the X1-Ultimate processor in the 950G is supposed to be a chunk better,... and so it's supposed to do better with 1080 stuff like cable TV. Which is mostly what I watch.

I once saw these side by side (in 65" ?) but of course they were being fed some artificial source by a server authorized by Sony, etc),.. so no way to see what it would look like in real life,.. or if that's really true about the processor.
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I've studied up a bit on the 900F. Seems people think it has a tiny bit better picture (when watching high-def stuff like 4k),... but the X1-Ultimate processor in the 950G is supposed to be a chunk better,... and so it's supposed to do better with 1080 stuff like cable TV. Which is mostly what I watch.

I once saw these side by side (in 65" ?) but of course they were being fed some artificial source by a server authorized by Sony, etc),.. so no way to see what it would look like in real life,.. or if that's really true about the processor.
The X950G, according to rtings, holds a one-tenth of a point advantage in both TV Shows and Mixed Usage. In addition it has eARC, and as you mentioned the Ultimate Processor. Important to note, the X950G 75" and 85" employ X-Wide Angle, where X900F does not. The latter likely delivers a better in-front viewing experience with 75" and 85". Last I looked, $700 dollar difference for these 85s at B&H Photo. May be cheaper elsewhere. Good luck. Have fun.

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The X950G, according to rtings, holds a one-tenth of a point advantage in both TV Shows and Mixed Usage. In addition it has eARC, and as you mentioned the Ultimate Processor. Important to note, the X950G 75" and 85" employ X-Wide Angle, where X900F does not. The latter likely delivers a better in-front viewing experience with 75" and 85". Last I looked, $700 dollar difference for these 85s at B&H Photo. May be cheaper elsewhere. Good luck. Have fun.
Thanks for advice!

I did briefly contsider the X900F, but the room it's being put in will need the wide angle as it's a pretty big and wide area. That's why I'm debating between the Q80/Q90 & X950G. Z9F looks enticing but no 85" size...
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The X950G, according to rtings, holds a one-tenth of a point advantage in both TV Shows and Mixed Usage......................Important to note, the X950G 75" and 85" employ X-Wide Angle, where X900F does not. The latter likely delivers a better in-front viewing experience with 75" and 85".

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/be...k-ultra-hd-uhd
I also thank you.

I had seen both versions, and the 900F "may" have beat the 950G,... was hard to tell. But those were both the 65" versions.

I watch from right in front of the tv,.. and most of the time it's just me. Sometimes my two little girls,.. but they're both mostly in front also. So wide view angle is of little to no value.

May have to click and order up a 900F in 85". Or should I get a 75" AND a 77" LG C8 and see which I like better? LOL

Thanks again


Update,.. Despite the great advice,... I bought an 77" LG C8 OLD last night through Greentoe.
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new TV for new apartment

The last tv I bought was a Panasonic TC-P55ST30 that has been in my basement since ~2011 for gaming and movies, it's a great TV.

I'm moving to an apartment and looking for a new TV, 55" or 65" from my research and what will fit on what is likely the only. I think I've over researched to the point of different models getting confused with others. I have no brand loyalty and just looking for a solid TV regardless of who makes it. If the remote can learn other remote functions like a soundbar that would be ideal so I don't need 4 different remotes. I've attached a photo of how the apartment sits now with someone else's stuff in it as I don't move in until 9/11/19 but my layout of the couch and TV will likely be similar so it gives an idea of potentially how far I might be sitting. Also a photo of the windows that are on the wall behind the love seat directly facing TV wall.



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The apartment is a loft style with big windows so there is a lot of daylight and at night I will likely have a floor or table lamp on so it will likely never be watched with no lights on unless there are major advantages to doing so. Not avoiding lights off viewing I just never have really done that.

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The last tv I bought was a Panasonic TC-P55ST30 that has been in my basement since ~2011 for gaming and movies, it's a great TV.


Budget: ~$1200 but could stretch another hundo or so if it makes that big of a difference.


I'm open to all suggestions!
I recently shopped for a new TV, but ended up getting my Samsung repaired for 400.00

I had narrowed it down to the Sony X950G and LG C8 or B8.

In 55" the Sony X950G and LG B8 are in your price range. Can't go wrong with either one.
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You don't need extended viewing angles and should get a 65". So look at 65" FALD VA panels such as the Sony 900F or Samsung Q70R which are both around $1,500.
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You don't need extended viewing angles and should get a 65". So look at 65" FALD VA panels such as the Sony 900F or Samsung Q70R which are both around $1,500.
according to the links for price from rtings.com there is a $0.01 difference between these two, would you lean either way on these two?
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according to the links for price from rtings.com there is a $0.01 difference between these two, would you lean either way on these two?
Both are good TVs at that price point. Sony has somewhat better motion control and Samsung is better for gaming with it's support of VRR. The Sony is a bit brighter and is better at handling reflections, which might come into play with those big windows. The higher end Samsung Q80R and Q90R have the best anti-reflective coatings but the Q70R does not. The Q70R does have a higher contrast ratio for deeper blacks. Even though I own two Samsung TVs, I would lean towards the Sony 900F but if you think VRR will become important for gaming then the Q70R might be better in the long run. You should go look at them, if possible.
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Looking for a casual gaming room TV, 65". $750 - $1000. Looking at TCL 65R615. Amazon has the Vizio 2018 Quantum P series for $1149. Really just casual gaming and maybe some light Netflix streaming. Thoughts? Is it worth the extra money for the Vizio or is the TCL gonna get me what I'm looking for. Thanks!

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I may have my wife talked into letting me get a new 4K TV. She wants me to stay around $1000. What do you think of these 4. The Vizo seems the one to go with.

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I may have my wife talked into letting me get a new 4K TV. She wants me to stay around $1000. What do you think of these 4. The Vizo seems the one to go with.

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LG - 75" Class - LED - UK6190 Series - IPS, 60Hz native refresh, low contrast ratio, likely "RGBW" with less than true 4K resolution, no local dimming
Samsung - 75" Class - LED - NU6900 Series - VA panel, 60 Hz native refresh, deep blacks, excellent color accuracy, no local dimming
Samsung - 75" Class - LED - 7 Series - same performance as the NU6900 with one additional HDMI input
VIZIO - 75" Class - LED - P-Series - VA panel, 120 Hz native refresh, FALD, QC issues often with visible banding

Assuming you get a good panel, the Vizio P is the best of the lot with the LG being the worst. I have a 65" NU6900 in my basement and it looks very good for watching cable TV, for HDR not very good. But I just watch cable TV, mostly baseball and football down in the "cave" anyway so no need for HDR. TBH, I don't find the costumed super hero movies that feature HDR for special effects very compelling anyway.
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LG - 75" Class - LED - UK6190 Series - IPS, 60Hz native refresh, low contrast ratio, likely "RGBW" with less than true 4K resolution, no local dimming
Samsung - 75" Class - LED - NU6900 Series - VA panel, 60 Hz native refresh, deep blacks, excellent color accuracy, no local dimming
Samsung - 75" Class - LED - 7 Series - same performance as the NU6900 with one additional HDMI input
VIZIO - 75" Class - LED - P-Series - VA panel, 120 Hz native refresh, FALD, QC issues often with visible banding

Assuming you get a good panel, the Vizio P is the best of the lot with the LG being the worst. I have a 65" NU6900 in my basement and it looks very good for watching cable TV, for HDR not very good. But I just watch cable TV, mostly baseball and football down in the "cave" anyway so no need for HDR. TBH, I don't find the costumed super hero movies that feature HDR for special effects very compelling anyway.
Dave, the Vizio's considerably over the $1K budget, isn't it?

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Dave, the Vizio's considerably over the $1K budget, isn't it?
Ya, the wife said $1k or less. I am going later and see what they have. What about the Sony - 75" Class - LED - X800G Series - 2160p - Smart - 4K UHD TV with HDR?

I know it's like $1500, but could tell her I spent $1000.

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Ya, the wife said $1k or less. I am going later and see what they have. What about the Sony - 75" Class - LED - X800G Series - 2160p - Smart - 4K UHD TV with HDR?

I know it's like $1500, but could tell her I spent $1000.

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Dave, the Vizio's considerably over the $1K budget, isn't it?
Sure is. It's one of the OP's selections, I did not suggest it for a $1K budget.
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I have a 65" Vizio D series SDR display...almost two years old and it may have bit the dust. Keeps shutting off and won't stay powered on for more than a few minutes. If I have to replace it, I'm considering:

LG OLEDB8 65". Any reason to consider anything else?

70" is the largest I can fit.

Seems worth it vs the $1k-$1.2k options in order to get picture quality that, from what I can tell, is about as good as you can get.

I assume image quality will be a drastic improvement over my previous display?
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Well I got the ok to get the Sony - 75" Class - LED - X800G Series - 2160p - Smart - 4K UHD TV with HDR at Best Buy for $1.5K. I was thinking of having them mount it, is an extended warranty worth getting?

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I am currently in the market for a new 75 inch tv to replace my 2012 LG 60 inch plasma. So it has been a while since I have been in the market and things have changed quite a bit. Looking at sets at a local Costco and Best Buy I have been overwhelmed with advice on what to choose based on certain budget limitations. Terms like 8K, 4K, FALD, edge lit, direct back lit, vewing angle, nits, and so on are making this a much harder choice than in 2012. While in those stores they were providing all the TVs with a 4k feed so they all looked good, I want a set that will do a great job of upconverting my directv signal as well as dvds. I also want it to excel at sports and movies, not a gamer other than an occasional nintendo game with the kids. It would be nice if it would display what is on my smartphone easily (Samsung S10).
The viewing room (attached) is a large open space family room with windows next to the tv that are usually closed when watching movies and sliding glass doors (east side) facing the tv that causes trouble for my plasma. The main seating position has 2 recliners 12 feet back directly in front of the tv. There is a chair off to the left side and a love seat to the right and a couch behind and offset from the recliners. The tv is set back in a corner of the room on a 6 foot wide tv stand that houses all of the electronics. The front speakers are 65 inches apart and can go a little wider so 75 inch tv would be as large as I could go without moving things further out. Besides I think that a jump from 60 to 75 should be good enough.
My budget is around 2k but I would gladly go lower if possible without sacrificing too much. I have been advised to avoid TCL and Hisense as they do a poor job with with upconverting. I am obviously ruling out OLED as they are too much for that size tv, plus I think that I would incur the same problems that I have now with a plasma. Have always been a fan of Sony and Samsung especially the latter as it plays nice with my smartphone on my other Sammys in the house, though I have heard that they are not as good as they used to be or in comparison to similarly priced Sony and LG panels.
I am also wondering if now is the time to buy or wait another year as these 75 inch sets are priced significantly higher than 65 inch sets.
In my search I have found a few that seem to stand out on all price points but would appreciate further advice from people who have first hand experience with these or other similar sets. I know that some of them exceed my budget but I could be persuaded if it is really worth it. Interestingly I researched a Sony 940e 75 inch FARD that went for 6k but can still be bought at amazon for 2k....and that drastic change scares me a little.


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I am currently in the market for a new 75 inch tv to replace my 2012 LG 60 inch plasma. So it has been a while since I have been in the market and things have changed quite a bit. Looking at sets at a local Costco and Best Buy I have been overwhelmed with advice on what to choose based on certain budget limitations. Terms like 8K, 4K, FALD, edge lit, direct back lit, vewing angle, nits, and so on are making this a much harder choice than in 2012. While in those stores they were providing all the TVs with a 4k feed so they all looked good, I want a set that will do a great job of upconverting my directv signal as well as dvds. I also want it to excel at sports and movies, not a gamer other than an occasional nintendo game with the kids. It would be nice if it would display what is on my smartphone easily (Samsung S10).
The viewing room (attached) is a large open space family room with windows next to the tv that are usually closed when watching movies and sliding glass doors (east side) facing the tv that causes trouble for my plasma. The main seating position has 2 recliners 12 feet back directly in front of the tv. There is a chair off to the left side and a love seat to the right and a couch behind and offset from the recliners. The tv is set back in a corner of the room on a 6 foot wide tv stand that houses all of the electronics. The front speakers are 65 inches apart and can go a little wider so 75 inch tv would be as large as I could go without moving things further out. Besides I think that a jump from 60 to 75 should be good enough.
My budget is around 2k but I would gladly go lower if possible without sacrificing too much. I have been advised to avoid TCL and Hisense as they do a poor job with with upconverting. I am obviously ruling out OLED as they are too much for that size tv, plus I think that I would incur the same problems that I have now with a plasma. Have always been a fan of Sony and Samsung especially the latter as it plays nice with my smartphone on my other Sammys in the house, though I have heard that they are not as good as they used to be or in comparison to similarly priced Sony and LG panels.
I am also wondering if now is the time to buy or wait another year as these 75 inch sets are priced significantly higher than 65 inch sets.
In my search I have found a few that seem to stand out on all price points but would appreciate further advice from people who have first hand experience with these or other similar sets. I know that some of them exceed my budget but I could be persuaded if it is really worth it. Interestingly I researched a Sony 940e 75 inch FARD that went for 6k but can still be bought at amazon for 2k....and that drastic change scares me a little.


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Sony: 800g, x850, x900
LG: sk9500, sm9070
Vizio: p series and p quantum, m series quantum
Of the ones you mention I would narrow it down to the Q80 and the X900F. They are the closest in comparison and are leaps and bound above your other choices. For me, I would go with the 900f for better color accuracy and superior motion handling. This display can be had for $2100 delivered.
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Of the ones you mention I would narrow it down to the Q80 and the X900F. They are the closest in comparison and are leaps and bound above your other choices. For me, I would go with the 900f for better color accuracy and superior motion handling. This display can be had for $2100 delivered.
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Well it looks like all sales are over locally this morning as the Samsung Q70 and the Q80 rose by $500, and are now $2700 and $3300 respectively. This, however, strengthens the case for Sony 900f ($2300) as well as the Vizio Quantum P ($2000) and LG sm 9000 ($2200) all the remaining FALD near my budget. I could go to Brandsmart as they will let you haggle but they probably won't move that much to put the Samsungs back in play.
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Well it looks like all sales are over locally this morning as the Samsung Q70 and the Q80 rose by $500, and are now $2700 and $3300 respectively.
Still on sale at Amazon, 75" Q70R $2,200 and 75" Q80R $2,800.
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