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The 2019 Vizio M43 is the top rated 43" TV for HDR brightness in your budget. It probably wouldn't make a big difference at 43" but try to get the non Costco version which has fewer dimming zones. I'd also consider the 43" TCL 5 series as an all around TV in that size but it's not as bright.

This one?
https://www.vizio.com/m-series-quantum


It's a VA panel too, which helps with viewing angles a bit, correct? Is it a bright TV overall, would you say? Rtings says it has a mediocre dirty screen effect (DSE), what does that mean?

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This one?
https://www.vizio.com/m43c1.html


It's a VA panel too, which helps with viewing angles a bit, correct? Is it a bright TV overall, would you say? Rtings doesn't review it, I noticed.
The one you linked is the 2015 model, which is why you won't see it on Rtngs. The 2019 model has Quantum Dots for improved color:

https://www.vizio.com/tvs/mseriesquantum/m437g0.html

A VA panel actually has WORSE viewing angles. If you want to prioritize viewing angle, it will result in greyish blacks (especially at night). The LG below would be a decent choice:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...class_hdr.html
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The one you linked is the 2015 model, which is why you won't see it on Rtngs. The 2019 model has Quantum Dots for improved color:

https://www.vizio.com/tvs/mseriesquantum/m437g0.html

A VA panel actually has WORSE viewing angles. If you want to prioritize viewing angle, it will result in greyish blacks (especially at night). The LG below would be a decent choice:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...class_hdr.html
I just noticed that the 43" Vizio M has lower rated brightness. It's probably still a good choice but the Rtngs review would not be as relevant.

Also consider the Samsung RU7100, $328 on Amazon.
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The one you linked is the 2015 model, which is why you won't see it on Rtngs. The 2019 model has Quantum Dots for improved color:

https://www.vizio.com/tvs/mseriesquantum/m437g0.html

A VA panel actually has WORSE viewing angles. If you want to prioritize viewing angle, it will result in greyish blacks (especially at night). The LG below would be a decent choice:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...class_hdr.html
Yes, I realized I had selected the 2015 model, and went back and edited my post. I had the difference between VA and IPS flipped....went and read up on that too. Should have done that first, but thank you.
The viewing angle isn't a huge deal, as it is a fairly narrow window it would be viewed from. Not exactly dead straight on, but not much off to either side either. Ideally, I guess IPS would be better, but I know in that size, and staying in that general budget, I may be limited.


I have a visceral dislike for the LG name. We had two LG refrigerators die on us, and I know it's a different animal, but the wife and I may never let go of that. Just l;eft a really bad taste in my mouth with that company. I know that sounds crazy, but.....

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I just noticed that the 43" Vizio M has lower rated brightness. It's probably still a good choice but the Rtngs review would not be as relevant.

Also consider the Samsung RU7100, $328 on Amazon.
Funny you should say that....as before I came and posted here, that was one I picked to consider, based on Rtings.
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Funny you should say that....as before I came and posted here, that was one I picked to consider, based on Rtings.
The Samsung is probably a safer choice (since the Vizio M 43 hasn't been reviewed) and better value unless you can find the Vizio M43 on sale. Personally I would never buy an IPS panel either.
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The Samsung is probably a safer choice (since the Vizio M 43 hasn't been reviewed) and better value unless you can find the Vizio M43 on sale. Personally I would never buy an IPS panel either.
Out of curiosity, why would you not buy an IPS panel?
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Out of curiosity, why would you not buy an IPS panel?
Due to the impact on black levels (contrast ratio). Rtngs considers contrast ratio the single most important metric in overall picture quality, which I would agree with as a former plasma and OLED owner.
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Due to the impact on black levels (contrast ratio). Rtngs considers contrast ratio the single most important metric in overall picture quality, which I would agree with as a former plasma and OLED owner.
Yeah....now that I think of it, both my Sony XBR-55X900E, and my Vizio E50-F2 are VA panels. Now the Sony has better viewing angles than the Vizio though, and I watch it off center, and it's nothing that bugs me at all. The Vizio is a straight shot from the bed, so it's not as important, if at all. But I have noticed if I get up and walk to the side, the picture degrades quicker. Definitely a quality difference in those two, but still. Maybe the 2019 M Series Vizio would be a good choice after all. Like you said, if I caught one on sale. Hmm.
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Yeah....now that I think of it, both my Sony XBR-55X900E, and my Vizio E50-F2 are VA panels. Now the Sony has better viewing angles than the Vizio though, and I watch it off center, and it's nothing that bugs me at all. The Vizio is a straight shot from the bed, so it's not as important, if at all. But I have noticed if I get up and walk to the side, the picture degrades quicker. Definitely a quality difference in those two, but still. Maybe the 2019 M Series Vizio would be a good choice after all. Like you said, if I caught one on sale. Hmm.
Only a guess since Rtngs didn't review the M43, but the Samsung and Vizio M should be about equal for contrast ratio. The Vizio is a FALD panel but with only 12 zones at the 43 inch size, and it probably has very little benefit vs the edge lit Samsung. Where the Vizio will likely be superior is in the Quantum Dot technology, the color is noticeably better. The Samsung will have better upscaling of HD content though (especially 720P), so it might be advantageous for your Direct TV viewing. Both will have pros/cons, pick what's more important for your viewing habits in the kitchen and best deal. Either would be a good choice IMO.
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Only a guess since Rtngs didn't review the M43, but the Samsung and Vizio M should be about equal for contrast ratio. The Vizio is a FALD panel but with only 12 zones at the 43 inch size, and it probably has very little benefit vs the edge lit Samsung. Where the Vizio will likely be superior is in the Quantum Dot technology, the color is noticeably better. The Samsung will have better upscaling of HD content though (especially 720P), so it might be advantageous for your Direct TV viewing. Both will have pros/cons, pick what's more important for your viewing habits in the kitchen and best deal. Either would be a good choice IMO.
Yeah.....good points. Thanks! Yeah, it is a kitchen tv, haha, but at the same time, want to have some criteria. Going from a little crt on the counter, to either, would be be no comparison. Brightness would be important, for sure, as it is a bright room. Rtings did say the 43 inch might not be as bright.
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Yeah.....good points. Thanks! Yeah, it is a kitchen tv, haha, but at the same time, want to have some criteria. Going from a little crt on the counter, to either, would be be no comparison. Brightness would be important, for sure, as it is a bright room. Rtings did say the 43 inch might not be as bright.
You might want to dig into each owners thread for additional feedback:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...rice-talk.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...-s-thread.html
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You might want to dig into each owners thread for additional feedback:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...rice-talk.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...-s-thread.html

Thanks! Not too many comments on the Samsung, for whatever reason.


I posted a question about the Vizio M437-G0, as far as brightness. If I was reading correctly, it sounds like the 2018 version was a bit brighter?

I do have to keep in mind that we're replacing a small crt on the counter, haha, and probably don't need to agonize too much.
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I need advice/recommendation on a 40-43" tv for the kitchen. It's time to get rid of the 9" CRT on the kitchen counter, lol....

That said, it is a kitchen tv. Hell, even a 1080p set might suffice....

Recommendations much appreciated, and thanks in advance!
No joke, as I mentioned in a recent post, Samsung makes a nice 1080p. Model 5300. Viewing in Walmart, its PQ beat other cheapo brands' 4Ks. Can't speak for anything else about it, just PQ.

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No joke, as I mentioned in a recent post, Samsung makes a nice 1080p. Model 5300. Viewing in Walmart, its PQ beat other cheapo brands' 4Ks. Can't speak for anything else about it, just PQ.

Good luck, have fun with whatever you choose.
I'll check it out. My personal opinion is, 4K is unnecessary, if you're not going to watch a lot of 4K. We watch none. My Sony XBR-55X900Ehas a great picture, but not everything looks great. It can only up convert so much.
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Thanks! Not too many comments on the Samsung, for whatever reason.


I posted a question about the Vizio M437-G0, as far as brightness. If I was reading correctly, it sounds like the 2018 version was a bit brighter?

I do have to keep in mind that we're replacing a small crt on the counter, haha, and probably don't need to agonize too much.
If you're going to buy something, might as well get the best you can for your budget. No point in buying a 1080P TV, when a 4K HDR TV costs about the same.
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Hello! Im from Argentina, we dont get as many of the new tvs in stock here. And most of them are the samsung tvs, Im planning on buying a 75' one. I ended up deciding to pick up the q80r 75 but they dont have stock and gotta wait 1 month to get it if I want it, they offer the q70r.
Should I go with the q70r? or wait 1 month and get the q80r?
I mostly play ps4 pro on that tv, and netflix.
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If you're going to buy something, might as well get the best you can for your budget. No point in buying a 1080P TV, when a 4K HDR TV costs about the same.
I agree. I'm pretty sure it will be between the Vizio M, and the Samsung we were talking about, at this point.
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If you're going to buy something, might as well get the best you can for your budget. No point in buying a 1080P TV, when a 4K HDR TV costs about the same.
Case in point (at B&H Photo): Samsung N5300 1080p 43" $277.99; Samsung NU6900 4K 43" 279.99; Samsung NU7100 4K 43" $327.99. May be cheaper elsewhere.

The key is which PQ is better, not which PQ should be better. The answer to my eyes was the 1080p. Eyes, minds are different, granted, but check them out if you have the chance, or want to.

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Hello! Im from Argentina, we dont get as many of the new tvs in stock here. And most of them are the samsung tvs, Im planning on buying a 75' one. I ended up deciding to pick up the q80r 75 but they dont have stock and gotta wait 1 month to get it if I want it, they offer the q70r.
Should I go with the q70r? or wait 1 month and get the q80r?
I mostly play ps4 pro on that tv, and netflix.
Q80R is a little better, but has Ultra Viewing Angle which slightly lessens contrast. The Q70R does not have the wide angle tech, so the contrast will be slightly better with straight on viewing. Their good Motion and Input Lag are similar. Good luck, have fun with whatever you choose.

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  • No limitations, I have ~ 140" wall to mount onto.
  • I am really determined on 80''+ due to how far away I sit.
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  • BR / Possibly 4K BR in near future
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  • 70% Streaming / 25% Gaming / 5% BR for my current utilization.
Room lighting
  • Very dimly light room with two small overhead lights that are on a vaulted ceiling about 10 feet back from the screen area. Large deck window / door combination off to the side of the TV about 8 feet to the right of TV but doesn't cast much light when light blocking curtain is pulled.
I know the desire for 80"+ significantly limits my options but I'm just curious if I am missing anything. I'm currently thinking Sony 900F or Samsung Q6 / Q8.
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The Q6 doesn't compare as it is edge lit. I'd go for the 85 inch Sony 900F over the Samsung Q8, for Dolby Vision support and the slightly larger (85 vs 82 inch) screen. The Samsung does have some gaming advantages though.
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The 2019 Samsung Q60R does not have any local dimming while the 2018 Q6FN has poorly functioning edge dimming. So I'd recommend you take those off your list. If you want to look at a cheaper Samsung, look at the Q70R which is an lower-end FALD TV that is dimmer than the Q80R and doesn't have the superior anti-reflective coating. It comes in both 82" and 85".

The 2019 Samsung Q80R has wide angle viewing that you don't need which lowers the contrast ratio. The Sony 900F does not, so higher contrast ratio but the better functioning FALD in the Q80R pretty much evens things out as far as blacks go. But the Q80R supports VRR for gaming while the 900F does not. The Q80R also has a better anti-reflective coating than the 900F. Right now both TVs are $3,500, with the Q80R being a bit better TV overall but smaller at 82" vs. the 85" 900F. Either is a good choice so you should go look at them.
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Sony X900F 85". Currently $3498 at B&H Photo, may be cheaper elsewhere. Suggest getting it while you can, without X-Wide Angle and Ultra-Wide Viewing Angle Sony and Samsung are so intent on. Good luck, have fun, with whatever you decide.

OK digging into this further Q70 vs Q80 there appears to be about a $700.00 price delta at 82 inches. Has anybody seen these two sets side by side and have an opinion? My local spots have Q70's in stock but they are not on display to evaluate.....


My understanding is the Q70 has better contrast, but poorer local dimming, viewing angles, and a more reflective screen: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp.../807#main-diff


Has anybody seen them side by side and have an opinion they could share? I don't really care about the viewing angle difference, and the reflective screen also doesn't really matter in my enviroment.
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OK digging into this further Q70 vs Q80 there appears to be about a $700.00 price delta at 82 inches. Has anybody seen these two sets side by side and have an opinion? My local spots have Q70's in stock but they are not on display to evaluate.....

My understanding is the Q70 has better contrast, but poorer local dimming, viewing angles, and a more reflective screen: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp.../807#main-diff

Has anybody seen them side by side and have an opinion they could share? I don't really care about the viewing angle difference, and the reflective screen also doesn't really matter in my enviroment.
The Q70R has a semi-gloss screen while the Q80R has a glossy screen for more vibrant color highlights. HDR quality is also limited due to the lesser number of zones and lower peak brightness. It will look better for brighter scenes than it will for darker ones, especially with HDR content. All that being said most viewers watch so little HDR content that it may not matter much to you. You really need to see whichever 82"/85" TV you decide on before actually purchasing it.
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Q70R or Q9FN? Going for a 75' one.
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The Q9FN has better FALD, is brighter and has a better anti-reflective coating.
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Looking for a 65" under $1500. I sit about 12 feet away. The tv will be used for a little bit of everything. Some gaming, sports, and upscaling cable tv. Most of the time the rooms is dark. Are the issues with the Vizio p series that bad that I should be staying away from them?

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Budget: going cheap as this will be a bedroom tv replacing a 43" LG up tp 55"
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10 ft away, tv will either be on a dresser or possibly on a full motion tv mount
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viewing will be pretty much at night, tv is not near windows. Sometimes will have a lamp with 60 watts led bulb which is yellow light not daylight might view tv in the dark


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Budget: going cheap as this will be a bedroom tv replacing a 43" LG up tp 55"
<under 600
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10 ft away, tv will either be on a dresser or possibly on a full motion tv mount
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viewing will be pretty much at night, tv is not near windows. Sometimes will have a lamp with 60 watts led bulb which is yellow light not daylight might view tv in the dark


Thank you
If you can wait a few weeks, get the upcoming TCL 55 inch R625. It will add Quantum Dots, auto low latency for gaming to the existing R615. MSRP of $600.

If you can't wait, then get the R615
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Just curious, speaking of quantum dots, Costco has the 55" quantum m557 model only for 429 again this is a" bedroom only tv" might watch hdr content on amazon, if it istruly HDR, DV etc. Not going to splurge the extra money to get the upgrade on netflix as I have my sights on Disney plus in November 12.
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Just curious, speaking of quantum dots, Costco has the 55" quantum m557 model only for 429 again this is a" bedroom only tv" might watch hdr content on amazon, if it istruly HDR, DV etc. Not going to splurge the extra money to get the upgrade on netflix as I have my sights on Disney plus in November 12.
The Vizio M is also a good choice. The Costco version comes with fewer local dimming zones, therefore contrast ratio will not be quite as good as the reviews state. But it might be worth the $ savings vs the TCL R625.
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Thank you, I will wait as I read on one of the forums here it might be 2 weeks in-store, plus I will wait till it's in the general population with forum members plus reviews by Quantum, Fomo and other you tubers, lastly best buy /amazon reviewers. So e shall see.
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