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If you mean the one from seller "echo and optics" it shows "0 available". I don't see any other sellers at this price.


That was the one.


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If I wanted to upgrade to a 55 inch for the same budget, what would be the best option?
The 55" TVs I would recommend you look at are all on sale for $1K: Samsung Q70R, Sony 900F, Sony 950G. All are 120 Hz VA panels with good FALD. Maybe you'll find a Cyber Monday deal for less somewhere.
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Thanks. I decided to go with 82" Q70 for $2,500. Now I wonder if I should get it on Amazon, which offers Asurion 4 year TV protection plan for $132, or BestBuy, which offers 2 year Geek Squad protection for $400. It's not clear to me why such discrepancy in pricing, for what appears to be identical level of protection. Any insight?
My only direct experience is with Square Trade, which worked well for me. The Amazon Asurion seems a bit sketchy to me while Best Buy is overpriced. Use an Amex card and you get an extra year of warranty free. Some VISA and Master Cards offer this too.
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Hi all,

Thanks so much for the help for the past few days. I've decided to increase my budget a little bit. Receiver wise- I plan to go with the DENON AVR-X3600H because it has better room correction, higher power, more future proofing, and a built in phono pre-amp. I don't think I'll need the additional channels.

TV wise, it seems like the best deals are at Gibby's electronics for me. I've increased my budget to $1500-$2000.

Does anyone have experience with four sets? Are these good prices for these TVs? I've thought hard about getting a higher quality 65", but I think I would prefer the size increase (it's harder to justify just upgrading from a 65" 1080p to a 65" 4k).

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Hi all,

Thanks so much for the help for the past few days. I've decided to increase my budget a little bit. Receiver wise- I plan to go with the DENON AVR-X3600H because it has better room correction, higher power, more future proofing, and a built in phono pre-amp. I don't think I'll need the additional channels.

TV wise, it seems like the best deals are at Gibby's electronics for me. I've increased my budget to $1500-$2000.

Does anyone have experience with three sets? Are these good prices for these TVs? I've thought hard about getting a higher quality 65", but I think I would prefer the size increase (it's harder to justify just upgrading from a 65" 1080p to a 65" 4k).
Of the four sets (not three), the Sony 800G and 850F are IPS. The open box 850F is a 2018 model, and is better than the lower end 2019 800G as it is a native 120 Hz panel for better motion control and is a bit brighter. IPS panels have wide viewing angels, but with grayish blacks and are not the best for movies and dark room viewing.

The Samsung RU8000 and NU6900 are VA panels with narrow viewing angle and deep blacks. The 2019 RU8000 is better than the 2018 NU6900 as it is a 120 Hz panel for better motion control and has WGC.

None of the four choices have local dimming, so HDR will not be very good. IPS panels are only recommended for use in bright family rooms where extended viewing angles are required.
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Of the four sets (not three), the Sony 800G and 850F are IPS. The open box 850F is a 2018 model, and is better than the lower end 2019 800G as it is a native 120 Hz panel for better motion control and is a bit brighter. IPS panels have wide viewing angels, but with grayish blacks and are not the best for movies and dark room viewing.

The Samsung RU8000 and NU6900 are VA panels with narrow viewing angle and deep blacks. The 2019 RU8000 is better than the 2018 NU6900 as it is a 120 Hz panel for better motion control and has WGC.

None of the four choices have local dimming, so HDR will not be very good. IPS panels are only recommended for use in bright family rooms where extended viewing angles are required.
Thanks. Since I am a single male and usually watch in the dark I don't think I need the IPS panels - which rules out the Sony.

The final one I am considering is the Samsung UN75RU7100 75-in. Smart 4K HDR TV which comes in at $300 less than the RU8000 with discounts (I can get $100 gift card if I purchase)

Can you help me compare the two screens? Is there a big difference between the two?
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Thanks. Since I am a single male and usually watch in the dark I don't think I need the IPS panels - which rules out the Sony.

The final one I am considering is the Samsung UN75RU7100 75-in. Smart 4K HDR TV which comes in at $300 less than the RU8000 with discounts (I can get $100 gift card if I purchase)

Can you help me compare the two screens? Is there a big difference between the two?
The 2019 RU7100 is actually pretty comparable to the 2018 NU6900. In fact, the NU6900 is a bit brighter, has a higher native contrast ratio and has more accurate colors. The UN6900 only has two HDMI ports while the RU7100 has three.

The RU8000 is the better choice over either the RU7100 or NU6900 since it is a 120 Hz native panel for better motion, has WCG for better colors, while both the UN6900 and RU7100 are native 60 Hz panels without WCG.
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The 55" TVs I would recommend you look at are all on sale for $1K: Samsung Q70R, Sony 900F, Sony 950G. All are 120 Hz VA panels with good FALD. Maybe you'll find a Cyber Monday deal for less somewhere.
Thanks. The Sony 55" 900F won't work, as the legs are too far apart for my TV stand, which is 40" wide. I'll have to research the leg width of the other units.
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Thanks. The Sony 55" 900F won't work, as the legs are too far apart for my TV stand, which is 40" wide. I'll have to research the leg width of the other units.
The Sony X950G has the same legs as the X900F so it won't work either.

From the Q70R Samsung Canada product page it appears the 55" Samsung Q70R will work:

Stand (Basic) (WxD)
975.9 x 248.3 mm

975.9 mm = 38.4"
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Hi all,

Thanks so much for the help for the past few days. I've decided to increase my budget a little bit. Receiver wise- I plan to go with the DENON AVR-X3600H because it has better room correction, higher power, more future proofing, and a built in phono pre-amp. I don't think I'll need the additional channels.

TV wise, it seems like the best deals are at Gibby's electronics for me. I've increased my budget to $1500-$2000.

Does anyone have experience with four sets? Are these good prices for these TVs? I've thought hard about getting a higher quality 65", but I think I would prefer the size increase (it's harder to justify just upgrading from a 65" 1080p to a 65" 4k).
If you are in the US Check out the Sony 75x900F, Amazon is selling for ~$1700 right now and it is a MUCH better TV than any of the four you have listed. Of course you will have to have it delivered instead of picking up at a local store.

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Just ordered Samsung Q70 82" for $2,100 on Ebay! Also bought SquareTrade insurance for $129, and used Amex card for the order. Thank you guys for the help. I have two more questions:

Streaming device:

I will be mostly watching stuff I find on the internet, on my laptop, and I want to be able to project it to the TV. Ideally this should be done wirelessly. How to accomplish this? I have a Windows laptop, and my wife got a Macbook. So this solution should work with both. To clarify, we don't want to use TV apps, we want to stream whatever is playing on a laptop to the TV. Unless there's a regular internet browser already built-in in the TV itself, which would let us browse any website, and play videos (probably not, right?) So basically I want to use this TV as an extra monitor for our laptops.

Sound system. I have the following already:

1. A pair of Apple HomePods. Is it possible to use them with the TV somehow?
2. A pair of large floor standing speakers, but no amplifier. If the first option is no go, which amplifier should I get (~$500)?
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That's good to hear. I have been worried about the black levels of an LCD compared to my plasma. I mean if the B9 is still only $200 more than the X950g in a 55" when I go to purchase I might do that, because a 65" really is too big for the space I have. But would be curious to hear your thoughts after messing with the settings.
LEDs have come a long ways as far as black levels over the years. I honestly can say in my opinion the Sony's black level is just as good as my plasma. The colors are sharper on the Sony. And 4K is a whole different world. I also just purchased a new Denon 4K receiver and Panasonic 4K disc player. All 3 great performers.
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2. A pair of large floor standing speakers, but no amplifier. If the first option is no go, which amplifier should I get (~$500)?
I just purchased a Denon AVR-X3500H receiver to go with my new Sony. It's a 2018 model and Amazon is selling them for $549. They are listed for $999 on Denon's website. It a really great receiver for that price.
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I have a question and hopefully someone from this thread can help me out! Well I purchased a Sony 900f 65inch TV for 899 but I had an 100 dollar gift card and made it 800 shipped during Black Friday events. I wanted to know if I did the right choice and yes I know HDMI 2.1 is coming out next year for all TV's and the new consoles going to have it but will this TV hold me out for a good 3 years or so? It was an impulse buy and hope I didn't do an mistake. I will be using the TV mostly for Movies, Games and PC setup.

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I have a question and hopefully someone from this thread can help me out! Well I purchased a Sony 900f 65inch TV for 899 but I had an 100 dollar gift card and made it 800 shipped during Black Friday events. I wanted to know if I did the right choice and yes I know HDMI 2.1 is coming out next year for all TV's and the new consoles going to have it but will this TV hold me out for a good 3 years or so? It was an impulse buy and hope I didn't do an mistake. I will be using the TV mostly for Movies, Games and PC setup.

Thanks so much for reading this and happy holidays.
IMO, you did really well getting that nice 65" X900F for just $800 out of pocket.
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I'm really struggling with choosing a TV. I moved from a very small apartment to a large loft, and my 40" TV is much too small for the new space. I decided that a 75" or even 82" TV would be a worthwhile upgrade.

The loft has many windows and gets tons of sun during the summer, so good reflection handling is important. In the winter or after dark, I'll be watching in a fairly dark environment, so dark room performance matters too. The seating arrangement is fairly wide but not extreme - there are two couches facing each other rather than facing the TV, and chairs on the other side of the room beyond the couches. Normally this would argue for an IPS panel, but I tend to prefer the high contrast and good blacks of the VA displays I've looked at. I was concerned that viewing angle would be an issue with VA, but looking at these models in stores, the off-axis viewing seemed pretty decent - not nearly as bad as I expected. For now, my main source will be an old PC playing 720p and 1080p content. I'll probably get a 4k streaming device but I don't know if I'll use it much.

I only use the TV to watch movies once or twice a week, so I don't want to go overboard with a fancy/expensive model. Originally I was looking at low-end models like Samsung's RU7100 ($1000 for 75"). I was tempted by the Q60R since I really liked the vibrant color rendition when I looked in a store ($1500). For awhile I was considering the RU8000 as a compromise ($1300). It has considerably better specs than the RU7100, some additional features I want like 24fps judder removal from a 60fps source, and the reviews suggest the color rendition should be nearly as good as the QLED series. I almost pulled the trigger on an RU8000, but going to the store one last time to look in person, I found I wasn't impressed by the colors, which looked considerably worse than the QLED models. Reds were slightly brown; blues and greens weren't as deep. I'm not sure if it was just a matter of settings, but the difference was very noticeable.

This made me lean towards the Q60R, but I notice it's pretty poorly regarded in reviews and forum commentary. For example, there's a stickied Reddit thread titled "STOP Asking if you Should buy the Samsung RU8000 or Q60R, NO You Should NOT" (can't paste a link because I'm new to the forum).

I find this a bit surprising because the Q60R looked just about as good as the Q70R and Q80R at the store. It may be that the differences only really show in a dark room where local dimming matters. In any case, I'm now hesitant to buy a TV that's so widely considered a poor choice, even though I liked it in person. Upgrading to the Q70R would take the price to $2000, which is considerably more than I want to pay.

I also considered Sony models, and found a similar situation there. I liked the picture on the X800G 75" model ($1400). While most X800Gs use IPS panels, this particular size has a VA panel, which means none of the reviews apply to it, and it's difficult to find accurate information about it online. I looked at it next to a X900F, which I know is well-regarded, and could see some differences, but not major ones. The X800G lacks proper judder removal, though, and it's pretty thick so it would stick out more when wall-mounted. Because of this, I currently prefer the Q60R between the two.

I looked about other brands as well... Vizio P Series Quantum sounded good on paper, but the Amazon reviews talk about lots of quality control problems, so I think I'll steer clear.

At this point, it's very hard to move forward. I like the Q60R most visually of the models I've seen in my price range, but it seems so widely panned that I wouldn't feel confident about purchasing it. The X800G is a reasonable contender but has some flaws, and there's very little information on the VA version. The X900F would undoubtedly perform well, but I'm not convinced it's worth stretching my budget to get it. I'm seriously thinking about holding off for now and waiting for new models or price drops... but I'm curious what others think!
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I was tempted by the Q60R since I really liked the vibrant color rendition when I looked in a store ($1500).

The X900F would undoubtedly perform well, but I'm not convinced it's worth stretching my budget to get it.
The 75" X900F is going for $1,800 and is well worth the $300 difference vs. the 75" Q60R. Since you're only going to watch movies on it, get an FALD TV so when you get your 4K streaming device you can enjoy HDR movies.
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Not long ago (2 years ago) I remember when 80"+ TV's everybody flocking to 85" Leeco for 5K.

Have the times changed.

I couldn't get a 85" down my stairs but a 940e was perfect.

Sometimes dumb luck works well.

These are just my opinions.
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Lip-Sync Problem - Samsung TV's Only?

Has anyone had a lip-sync problem with their new TV? This forum is great, and the help I got here led me to purchase a Samsung Q90R, which has great picture quality. However, any external source (that outputs Dolby Digital audio) connected to the TV with HDMI has a pretty severe lip-sync problem that can't be fixed with lip-sync adjustments...I have the TV connected to a Samsung Q80R soundbar with ARC.


People on the Samsung forums have reported this problem with several different soundbars (using both ARC and Optical), so it appears that the delay is happening in the TV. In my case, it affects my cable box, Roku Ultra and Samsung BD player. Others have reported the same issue with X-Box and other external sources.


Set all devices to output PCM (2-chan stereo), and lip-sync is fixed...but most people want multi-channel audio (DD, DD+, Atmos, etc.). Connect the external sources to the soundbar (not the TV), and lip-sync is fixed...but then you'll need a soundbar that has multiple HDMI inputs (which rules out a large number of soundbar choices).


So, for the new TV shoppers out there, specifically those who will be connecting some external devices (with DD audio) to the TV, and then connecting the TV to a soundbar, just be aware of this issue.


What I don't know yet, is if this is only specific to new Samsung TV's (I have an older, non 4K in a bedroom with a similar connection to a cable box and soundbar with no lip-sync problem) or if this applies to other brands.


Please...if anyone out there is experiencing a similar lip-sync problem, especially with a current model TV from another brand, please let us know.


Even more importantly, if you have a different brand of current 4K HDR model TV, with external (DD) sources connected to it (and any soundbar), and there's no lip-sync problem, please let us know what specific brand and model you have.


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What I don't know yet, is if this is only specific to new Samsung TV's (I have an older, non 4K in a bedroom with a similar connection to a cable box and soundbar with no lip-sync problem) or if this applies to other brands.
I have an older Samsung UN65NU6900 connected to a Samsung N550 Series 3.1 Channel Wireless Sound Bar that works flawlessly with both the ARC or optical connection.
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I have an older Samsung UN65NU6900 connected to a Samsung N550 Series 3.1 Channel Wireless Sound Bar that works flawlessly with both the ARC or optical connection.
Me too, Dave. I've got a 3-year old Samsung (non-4K) TV with a cable box and a soundbar in a bedroom, connected exactly the same way, and there are no lip-sync issues. It's just so odd that so many people on the Samsung forums have the exact same issue, yet it seems the vast majority of Q90/80/70R owners have no lip-sync problem at all.
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Me too, Dave. I've got a 3-year old Samsung (non-4K) TV with a cable box and a soundbar in a bedroom, connected exactly the same way, and there are no lip-sync issues. It's just so odd that so many people on the Samsung forums have the exact same issue, yet it seems the vast majority of Q90/80/70R owners have no lip-sync problem at all.
Once I picked up two Samsung TVs, I made sure anything that would be connected via ARC was also Samsung just so there wouldn't be such problems. Both of my UHD DVD players are also Samsung and work fine also. Strange that Samsung could screw up connections to their own equipment. Especially with the Q60R, Q70R, Q80R, Q90R series where they market specific sound bar setups for each one.
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