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Which 2020 Model?

Hello all,

Well, Vizio is submitting a refund request for me, as I have been plagued with panel issues on the P759-G1. I will say that customer service has been great, but I've had some bad luck on sets. That said, with the thought that a refund will be given, I am looking for a replacement 75" or larger.

Must haves:
- VA Panel
- Good with Reflections
- HDMI 2.1 with 4k at 120hz (going to buy XBox and PS5)
- Good color (pop) and contrast (dark blacks)

Not big deals:
- Interface: I rarely use the apps within the tv
- Wide viewing angles: I've never had an issue with this, and figure this to hold true with any tv today

Majority of use is cable TV (Comcast), Youtube videos for the kiddo (picture doesn't matter for him), and XBox/Playstation (for me, so it matters LOL).

I was figuring Sony or Samsung (though I don't know the models very well). I also assume it needs to be a 2020 model for HDMI 2.1? I MAY consider a 2020 Vizio Quantum X, but with the panel issues, I have some concerns.

Max budget $3,000.

Any direction you can point would be most appreciated.

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Hello all,

Must haves:
- VA Panel
- Good with Reflections
- HDMI 2.1 with 4k at 120hz (going to buy XBox and PS5)
- Good color (pop) and contrast (dark blacks)

Samsung Q80T ticks all the boxes and it's the best in class at reflection handling.


Newer Sony units that are coming out in June will get HDMI 2.1 but will have slightly worse reflection handling.
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Thank you for responding. I opted for the C9 tonight. Locked at $3,599 with free shipping & no tax. .



Great price, can you share where you found it, i am also looking for the same size and model.

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The Samsung's you are looking at are very similar edge-lit 120 Hz VA panel TVs. They both have high contrast ratios for deep blacks for your low-light room. The Q6DR is a bit brighter with a bit higher contrast ratio and Rtings found it very color accurate out of the box. Neither has local dimming for better HDR, but are fine for normal SDR content. Samsung is known for SOE when you use their Auto motion control so you're good to go there. I've had an even cheaper UN6900 in my basement for a couple of years and it has a similar 6,000:1 contrast ratio and has nice black levels in a dark room. Not being a fan of SOE I run it with Auto motion off, but it's very easy to dial up the SOE. The Tizen OS run very nicely on these newer TVs so app performance is good.
Thank you so very much! I feel much better about pulling the trigger on one of these babies!
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Someone posed a question in another thread that made me wonder. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses with local dimming technology? How does a top quality, non local dimming display compare? Do we migrate towards local dimming because we are compelled to because of advertising? What is the best non Local dimming display available?
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Hey all,

Wife and I are finally looking to upgrade our beloved 48" Insignia tv (bless it's soul...)

1. Budget - $2000 CAD, with a little wiggle room
2. Seating distance - 10 feet
3. Size/placement limitations - only place we can put the TV is in the corner (as above fireplace is a no-no!) - and the max size I can fit is 65" which I think is fine given our seating distance.
4. Uses and sources - wife uses the TV a lot to play PS4 (mostly Finaly Fantasy XIV) - this will eventually turn into PS5 - she isn't huge into FPS, etc. but we'd still like 2.1/VRR, etc. capability - we also watch the usual Netflix, and I'd surely watch 4K movies as I'm a huge movie buff. Would likely get an Nvidia shield to stream 4K content from my plex server.
5. Room lighting - I'd say roughly 7.5/10 on the sun scale. Our patio doors are to the right of the TV, so the sun tends to cause some glare in the afternoon.

Based off my research thus far we'll likely avoid OLED as FFXIV has a HUD that would likely cause huge burn-in.

There's been some good deals lately on 2019 models (X950G, etc.), but it seems the 900H fits the bill - and we're not in a huge rush.

Thoughts?
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Hey all,

Wife and I are finally looking to upgrade our beloved 48" Insignia tv (bless it's soul...)

1. Budget - $2000 CAD, with a little wiggle room
2. Seating distance - 10 feet
3. Size/placement limitations - only place we can put the TV is in the corner (as above fireplace is a no-no!) - and the max size I can fit is 65" which I think is fine given our seating distance.
4. Uses and sources - wife uses the TV a lot to play PS4 (mostly Finaly Fantasy XIV) - this will eventually turn into PS5 - she isn't huge into FPS, etc. but we'd still like 2.1/VRR, etc. capability - we also watch the usual Netflix, and I'd surely watch 4K movies as I'm a huge movie buff. Would likely get an Nvidia shield to stream 4K content from my plex server.
5. Room lighting - I'd say roughly 7.5/10 on the sun scale. Our patio doors are to the right of the TV, so the sun tends to cause some glare in the afternoon.

Based off my research thus far we'll likely avoid OLED as FFXIV has a HUD that would likely cause huge burn-in.

There's been some good deals lately on 2019 models (X950G, etc.), but it seems the 900H fits the bill - and we're not in a huge rush.

Thoughts?
You might also consider the Samsung Q80T, which has HDMI 2.1/VRR, etc. plus the best anti-reflective coating on any LCD (along with the Q90T). Both the Q80T and Q90T also come with IPS-like wide viewing angles. The Q90T is a bit more but has more zones and is quite a bit brighter. The Sony X900H will have HDMI 2.1/VRR, etc. after a firmware update but does not have wide viewing angles or the best anti-reflective capability. It should still be a good TV though.
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I already made a separate topic but then i saw this one. And maybe people here can also help me with my dilemma:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...e-what-do.html


I have loved my 940E for over 2 years now. ( i think almost 3)
My first 940E had two dust particles behind the screen after one and a half year (size of 3 pixels in the center and one at the top)
So i got it replaced for a refurbished 940E. But that one had bad vertical banding (6 bands) that you can clearly see with bright content and especially panning shots. Since i still have warranty i asked Sony to look into it. They could not repair it but also not replace it for a 940E.

They offered me a 75X950G. But that tv sits in a lower class. It only has 60 local dimming zones compared to the 288 of the 940E.
So i told them that was not really a option. Then they offered a ZF9.
But because of that XWideAndgle layer it only has a 1:3500 contrast ratio where the 940E will do 1:11500 that was the reason i bought the 940E. It had great brightness and superb contrast. So again a downgrade.

I have never seen the ZF9 in real life. But i read a lot about it (was thinking about a upgrade a few year back then reading that it would be a downgrade). And especially the back bar glow and blooming would be worse compared to the 940E because of the XwideAngle layer. (And the contrast offcourse). And sometimes the blooming of the 940E is already slightly annoying.

After also speaking to the store i have 3 real options:
1: Keep the 940E and try to ignore the banding. Resale value will be bad because it does have a defect.
2: Get the ZF9 and try to live with its short comings and hope that after a month im adjusted. (but im afraid i will miss the contrast)
3: Get the ZF9 sell it to the store for 2200. And pay 1700 extra for a 77C9 OLED (AG9 is way more expensive over here would be more like 3K extra). the C9 would be a upgrade in most area's except brightness.(i think i will miss that but it does offer very good contrast and per pixel dimming to compensate for the brightness loss). Looking at my content: Streaming and blueray movies i do not fear burnin.

I have been thinking about the options for weeks now but cant make up my mind.

Maybe there are people here that have seen all sets in real life and can compare them better to tell me if my fear's are justified.

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Someone posed a question in another thread that made me wonder. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses with local dimming technology? How does a top quality, non local dimming display compare? Do we migrate towards local dimming because we are compelled to because of advertising? What is the best non Local dimming display available?
I'm wondering the same thing. Does, in most cases, an additional $1000+ price tag provide enough of an upgrade to be worth it.
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Someone posed a question in another thread that made me wonder. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses with local dimming technology? How does a top quality, non local dimming display compare? Do we migrate towards local dimming because we are compelled to because of advertising? What is the best non Local dimming display available?
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I'm wondering the same thing. Does, in most cases, an additional $1000+ price tag provide enough of an upgrade to be worth it.
That all depends on how fat your wallet is and whether you'll be watching enough HDR content for FALD to matter. High-end FALD TVs are right up there with OLEDs so I'd look at them first.
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TLC 8 Series or Vizio PX65

Hello All, like the title suggest I'm trying to decide between these two 65" TV's. Both are $1,000. Any suggestion on advantages or disadvantages much appreciated.
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That all depends on how fat your wallet is and whether you'll be watching enough HDR content for FALD to matter. High-end FALD TVs are right up there with OLEDs so I'd look at them first.
I guess the most realistic comparison would be a 2019 mid level FALD like the Samsung Q70 vs whatever is considered the best non FALD TV. Say comparing the PQ to several HDR videos on YouTube.
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Hello All, like the title suggest I'm trying to decide between these two 65" TV's {TLC 8 Series or Vizio PX65}. Both are $1,000. Any suggestion on advantages or disadvantages much appreciated.
Whatever the series from these two companies, "panel lottery" comes into play. DSE, banding, screen uniformity, durability, etc.

Suggestions: 2018 Sony X900F 65", $998; 2019 Sony X950G 65", $1398; 65"; 2020 Sony X900H 65", MSRP $1599, Mid-June launch.

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I guess the most realistic comparison would be a 2019 mid level FALD like the Samsung Q70 vs whatever is considered the best non FALD TV. Say comparing the PQ to several HDR videos on YouTube.
For 2020 the big two LCD makers, Samsung and Sony really don't make mid level 4K FALD sets anymore. First, for 2020, the Q70T isn't an FALD model, it's now edge lit without local dimming. So their lowest FALD is now the Q80T which has the anti-reflective and wide angle viewing of the Q80R but the lesser zone count of the Q70R. Samsung's high-end FALD is the Q90T and that's it. Sony has the X900H and X950H pretty much at the PQ same level, but with different features. Their higher-end is the 8K Z8H unless you want to count the two-year old Z9F which is still available here and there. At the next level down, Sony offers non local dimming IPS panels, the X800H and X850H, you have to go down to the X750H to find a VA panel.

So the highest end VA non local dimming set might be the 2020 Q70T since with Sony you have to go down to the 7-series to find a VA panel without local dimming. You can look at the Rtings comparison linked below and the only win for the Q70T is contrast mostly because the Q80T has the wide angle layer. HDR will not even be close, without local dimming it is very subdued and you need FALD or an OLED for proper HDR viewing.

Rtings compare Samsung Q70T vs. Samsung Q80T
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I agree Dave. That's why I mentioned the 2019 Sammy Q70, which is still available at terrific prices. I'd have to see a side by side comparison between the Q70 and the Sony X750H with HDR.
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Hello all,


I'm currently in the market for a new tv, and after some research and seeing what my budget will be, I've narrowed it down to two choices: the 55q70r and the Sony 55XF9005 (aka x900f?). The q70r would cost about €810, the Sony tv would be €765. I'll mainly be using it to watch soccer and as a (Nintendo Switch/PC gaming) monitor.


Is there anyone here who has worked with both sets? Anything I should know about either that could sway me in one direction? To me it seems the q70r would make for a better monitor, but the Sony one is better for watching sports. Am I correct?
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I'm wondering the same thing. Does, in most cases, an additional $1000+ price tag provide enough of an upgrade to be worth it.

I dont mind paying the money. But i expected the 940E to last 5 years.
And now its a unplanned expense while my set still has warrant. Its just sad there is no 940E available anymore that would have solved it. I have checked but they are all gone in the Netherlands and germany.


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That all depends on how fat your wallet is and whether you'll be watching enough HDR content for FALD to matter. High-end FALD TVs are right up there with OLEDs so I'd look at them first.

i agree thats why i went for a high zone count FALD because it could compete with oled. While not perfect its good enough.
With low zone counts or bad local dimming algo's (Like Samsung's insane black crush) then oled is a way better option.

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I dont mind paying the money. But i expected the 940E to last 5 years.
And now its a unplanned expense while my set still has warrant. Its just sad there is no 940E available anymore that would have solved it. I have checked but they are all gone in the Netherlands and germany.





i agree thats why i went for a high zone count FALD because it could compete with oled. While not perfect its good enough.
With low zone counts or bad local dimming algo's (Like Samsung's insane black crush) then oled is a way better option.

OLED may be a better option but burn is a real concern when spending this kind of money and 77 inch is the limit so that rules out the 82-85 growing crowd. My 2019 82Q70 and 85Q70 tends to momentarily brighten and darken during certain scenes. After dozens of settings adjustments I can only attribute it to the FALD.
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We are looking for a TV to put in our newly remodeled basement. We are looking at a 65 or 75 inch panel but I have a few questions i was hoping some may be able to answer. We are going to stay away from OLED because we don’t really want to pay that price, but we are willing to spend $1500 or a little more.

1. A lot of reviews I read say they get worse at wide viewing angles. We are putting an 8’ sofa in front of the TV so is that something I need to worry about?
2. The basement is well lit now with the LED lighting we put in but we like watching movies in a darker space. Are there things I should be looking for to allow for this? There is very little natural light if it makes a difference.
3. Will 8’ high walls make a difference in how big we can go? We plan on the seating to be 8-9 feet from the TV

Based on all this and the desire for a TV that does well with a mix or sports and movies what would you recommend? I love Samsung but I’m intrigued by some of the price points on the TCL and Vizio sets as well.

Any advice or thoughts would be very welcome
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Whatever the series from these two companies, "panel lottery" comes into play. DSE, banding, screen uniformity, durability, etc.

Suggestions: 2018 Sony X900F 65", $998; 2019 Sony X950G 65", $1398; 65"; 2020 Sony X900H 65", MSRP $1599, Mid-June launch.

Good luck, have fun, stay safe.
Thanks for the suggestions! $1398 is a little out of my price rang and I'm having trouble finding the X900F in my area. I did find a Samsung Q70R for a sale price, $1049.99. Would this be a better option and comparable to the Sony? This would be for streaming content mostly. No Gaming. Thanks!
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Thanks for the suggestions! $1398 is a little out of my price rang and I'm having trouble finding the X900F in my area. I did find a Samsung Q70R for a sale price, $1049.99. Would this be a better option and comparable to the Sony? This would be for streaming content mostly. No Gaming. Thanks!
The Q70R is comparable, but different. The X950G is brighter, but the Q70R has deeper blacks. Their dimming algorithms are also very different, with Sony going for dark scene detail which enhances blooming while Samsung goes for black bars and lessened blooming which enhances black crush. Both are good mid level FALD TVs. Below is a link to Rtings comparison of the two:

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OLED may be a better option but burn is a real concern when spending this kind of money and 77 inch is the limit so that rules out the 82-85 growing crowd. My 2019 82Q70 and 85Q70 tends to momentarily brighten and darken during certain scenes. After dozens of settings adjustments I can only attribute it to the FALD.

Samsung's dimming algo does that. You wont have that problem with a Sony FALD TV.
Im looking into a OLED. will make some calls tomorrow.

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Samsung's dimming algo does that. You wont have that problem with a Sony FALD TV.
Im looking into a OLED. will make some calls tomorrow.
You're the first person that told me that the Samsung algo was the dimming/brightening problem, and I asked on the Q70 thread. I would not have thought that in 2019 Sony and Samsung could that different of Lagos. Especially if one eliminated a noticeable problem.
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Hi All,

First time poster. Looking for help in choosing a TV. Main TV has been 60 inch Panasonic ST60 which this forum helped me choose in 2013. That TV is going strong but I'm looking for a bigger TV and one that does much better in a bright room for the family room.

Uses: first and foremost, this TV is for sports viewing (especially college football), followed by movies, general TV and maybe a little gaming but not much. I'm much more concerned with how it handles motion, etc. of sports vs. the inkiest deep blacks, etc.
Room: again, very bright room with a wall of oversized windows along entire wall
Size: minimum 75" but would prefer more towards 85"
Seating: Very large room so can set sectional any distance choose
Price: Would like to pay less than $3k but no problem going up or down.

Preliminarily, I'm thinking about waiting for the 2020 Vizio P quantum X and seeing what the 85" will go for as I have no problem waiting till around Labor Day weekend to pick up set. But also heavily looking at Samsung, Sony and Lg models.

Thoughts!

Thanks in advance!
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You're the first person that told me that the Samsung algo was the dimming/brightening problem, and I asked on the Q70 thread. I would not have thought that in 2019 Sony and Samsung could that different of Lagos. Especially if one eliminated a noticeable problem.

Samsung tries to prevent blooming and to do that they dim very aggressively. They also crush blacks a lot.
Look at HDTvtest reviews especially compares between newer Samsung moddels and other brands. He will show a clip of gravity. Background with stars. You will see a lot of stars will disappear because of the agressive dimming. When the TV goes to a higher brightness again you might see the issue you describe.
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