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THe 65" X900F is out of stock and even the open box option was not available. What about this one?

Seems 120 Hz
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...&skuId=6408872
It appears to be a 2020 version of the RU8000 which is 120 Hz native refresh with VRR for gaming and judder control for movies. Motion 240 used to indicate a 120 Hz native panel. It does not have any local dimming for good HDR performance, and while not particularly bright should have deep blacks. For HDR movie performance in an LCD, FALD is important but it appears the stock of the 2018 X900F is finally running out.
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It appears to be a 2020 version of the RU8000 which is 120 Hz native refresh with VRR for gaming and judder control for movies. Motion 240 used to indicate a 120 Hz native panel. It does not have any local dimming for good HDR performance, and while not particularly bright should have deep blacks. For HDR movie performance in an LCD, FALD is important but it appears the stock of the 2018 X900F is finally running out.
what do you think? Buy? is $800 Wait for something better? Buy something like this one mention in here below?
I'm not in rush to buy but I like best bang for the buck too. Please advise and thank you

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65...?skuId=6401205
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what do you think? Buy? is $800 Wait for something better? Buy something like this one mention in here below?
I'm not in rush to buy but I like best bang for the buck too. Please advise and thank you

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65...?skuId=6401205
While we haven't seen any reliable reviews of it, it is a 120 Hz FALD VA which is ideal for your use and the PQ should be similar to the X900F. But at $1,400 it's double your $700 target.
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Limited limited reviews are available. Using 2020 Samsung Q900TS 65" (336 zones for 65", 480 zones for 75"?) and 2019 Sony Z9G 85" (720 zones) info below, main difference should be Sony's extra brightness, Dolby Vision, and perhaps screen uniformity.

Lots of guess work remain at the moment.

FOMO & 2020 Samsung Q900TS (begin at 3:09):

https://youtu.be/5QhWw960O18?t=95

Vincent Teoh & 2019 Sony ZG9/Z9G:

https://youtu.be/uTEN813ceeA?t=3
What about Sony Z9G vs Z8H? How important is the loss of the backlight master drive with the Z8H? Are there any only other differences between these two models besides addition of an ATSC 3.0 tuner, lower energy consumption, and lower weight with the Z8H? How reliable are FOMO's reviews?

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What about Sony Z9G vs Z8H? How important is the loss of the backlight master drive with the Z8H? Are there any only other differences between these two models besides addition of an ATSC 3.0 tuner, lower energy consumption, and lower weight with the Z8H? How reliable are FOMO's reviews?
Re BMD, Sony's own words - "Backlight Master Drive is our most advanced form of of Full-Array. As we are able to individually control each LED within the array for maximum performance that no other TV technology can match."

https://www.sony.com/electronics/lan...ges/television

Will it be missed? Full review testing TBA.

Z9G vs Z8H (specs):

https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...ASTERINGSENSES

https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...specifications

Differences (size and audio):

https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/so...ries-z8h-8k-tv

Differences (Ambient Optimization):

https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-...ed-at-ces-2020

Same Ultimate Processor. Full Z8H reviews w. tests should not be too far off.


Re FOMO, decide for yourself. Samsung fanboy? I like his video reviews for style and humor.

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While we haven't seen any reliable reviews of it, it is a 120 Hz FALD VA which is ideal for your use and the PQ should be similar to the X900F. But at $1,400 it's double your $700 target.
My neighbor just told me he will sell me his TV because he wanted to get a bigger one. This is the model
un65ku6500fxza
is a curved screen I saw it playing a movie and I watch it from different places and it was fine for me.

is a 2016 here is the link for the best buy item any opinions? is a 120Hz.

I don't know if I'm missing a new worthy feature of buying a new one.

This is for movies not playing PC games.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...?skuId=5147001

Last price was $686 online on Best Buy if this is a good choice how much should I pay?

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I'd forget those cheap brands and get the Sony X900H if you can stretch your budget. It has all the gaming goodies and HDMI 2.1 and is a 120 Hz FALD VA panel. Since you're keeping you TVs for 7 years, it's worth spending a bit more IMO. Of course, it isn't my money.

Good points. I may be able to stretch my budget. Hoping I get my bonus for next month. Think the price will drop lower for a Labor Day sale? Or is $1000 probably the best we'll see for awhile?


In the event I can't stretch my budget, what are some other options I should look at?


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My neighbor just told me he will sell me his TV because he wanted to get a bigger one. This is the model
un65ku6500fxza
is a curved screen I saw it playing a movie and I watch it from different places and it was fine for me.

is a 2016 here is the link for the best buy item any opinions? is a 120Hz.

I don't know if I'm missing a new worthy feature of buying a new one.

This is for movies not playing PC games.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...?skuId=5147001

Last price was $686 online on Best Buy if this is a good choice how much should I pay?

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It's not a 120 Hz panel, it's native 60 Hz and has no judder control for 24p movies. The specification term "Motion Rate 120" is not the native refresh rate, and if it were native 120 Hz, the Samsung spec would be "Motion Rate 240". While you say it looks OK from angles, it has very poor wide angle viewing according to Rtings measurements. Also, no local dimming and no WCG but it does have excellent contrast and gradient control. Average brightness for a budget TV. If you want it, I wouldn't pay more than $200 for it being it is a 4-year old budget TV. A brand new 65" Samsung budget 4K TV (UN65TU7000) can be purchased for $500.
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Good points. I may be able to stretch my budget. Hoping I get my bonus for next month. Think the price will drop lower for a Labor Day sale? Or is $1000 probably the best we'll see for awhile?


In the event I can't stretch my budget, what are some other options I should look at?


Thanks!
IMO, $1,000 for the 55" X900H is as good as it will get until maybe black Friday.

Since you'll be using it for PS5 gaming, and want a 120 Hz panel with HDMI 2.1 I can't see any cheaper alternatives.
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It's not a 120 Hz panel, it's native 60 Hz and has no judder control for 24p movies. The specification term "Motion Rate 120" is not the native refresh rate, and if it were native 120 Hz, the Samsung spec would be "Motion Rate 240". While you say it looks OK from angles, it has very poor wide angle viewing according to Rtings measurements. Also, no local dimming and no WCG but it does have excellent contrast and gradient control. Average brightness for a budget TV. If you want it, I wouldn't pay more than $200 for it being it is a 4-year old budget TV. A brand new 65" Samsung budget 4K TV (UN65TU7000) can be purchased for $500.
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What about this one from $1400 to $950 I think is pretty good. Any opinions?
65" Class - LED - Q70 Series - 2160p
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...?skuId=6331762
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What about this one from $1400 to $950 I think is pretty good. Any opinions?
65" Class - LED - Q70 Series - 2160p
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...?skuId=6331762
Yep it's a 120 Hz FALD VA panel with high contrast ratio and typically narrow VA panel viewing angle. The deep blacks are great for a dark room. It's the 2019 model and is far superior to the 2020 Q70T so make sure to get the 2019 Q70R. Again it's a closeout so hopefully it is in stock.
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Yep it's a 120 Hz FALD VA panel with high contrast ratio and typically narrow VA panel viewing angle. The deep blacks are great for a dark room. It's the 2019 model and is far superior to the 2020 Q70T so make sure to get the 2019 Q70R. Again it's a closeout so hopefully it is in stock.
Yes I verified is a 2019 and I just bought it , Thank you so much we have a better world with people like you. Have a great weekend.
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Yep it's a 120 Hz FALD VA panel with high contrast ratio and typically narrow VA panel viewing angle. The deep blacks are great for a dark room. It's the 2019 model and is far superior to the 2020 Q70T so make sure to get the 2019 Q70R. Again it's a closeout so hopefully it is in stock.
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What about HDMI cables? My cables are old and I'm sure I need to buy something new and 4k compatible to connect from the NVIDIA to the yamaha receiver and from receiver ARC to TV. Any recommended good quality and economic cables?
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What about HDMI cables? My cables are old and I'm sure I need to buy something new and 4k compatible to connect from the NVIDIA to the yamaha receiver and from receiver ARC to TV. Any recommended good quality and economic cables?
A good and reasonably priced source is Monoprice. And, of course, there's always Amazon.
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A good and reasonably priced source is Monoprice. And, of course, there's always Amazon.
But which one 2.0, 2.0a, 2.1? Amazon brands ok?
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But which one 2.0, 2.0a, 2.1? Amazon brands ok?
While overkill now, for "future proofing" you want 48 Gbps cables which support 8K/HDMI 2.1. You can get a 3-pack from Monoprice for $30 or buy individually if you need different lengths. Too many cheap cables at Amazon, IMO Monoprice is a better source. The ones I linked are well reviewed, reasonably priced and come with a lifetime warranty.
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While overkill now, for "future proofing" you want 48 Gbps cables which support 8K/HDMI 2.1. You can get a 3-pack from Monoprice for $30 or buy individually if you need different lengths. Too many cheap cables at Amazon, IMO Monoprice is a better source. The ones I linked are well reviewed, reasonably priced and come with a lifetime warranty.
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Thanks to a small bonus I'm looking at upgrading from the no-name basic 55" 4K TV in my living room starting next week to...pretty much anything above that. My comfortable budget is around $700 (I think I could do $800 in a pinch, but it wouldn't be pretty), but given a choice I'd certainly prefer to stay below that...so I'll probably be looking at sales for the next few weeks.

I've been mainly looking at 65" sets, although getting another 55" set would be fine as well. And there are two wrinkles:

1. I would prefer a set with a component video input--one word: Tivo--and three HDMI inputs, or four HDMI inputs. (Trying to avoid adding an HDMI switch to the electrical rat's nest where the set is.)
2. The set's legs/base cannot be wider than four feet at surface contact level, since that's exactly how wide my TV stand is. Wall mounts aren't an option, so this is absolutely a dealbreaker...and it may have ruled out one set I was looking at (the LG 65UN7300) unless I went full HAM and sprang for a VESA stand as well, which means more money and isn't my first choice.
3. This doesn't count as a wrinkle per se, but an observation: between an Apple TV and two consoles I don't really need it to be a smart TV, but since the only way to avoid that apparently would be with a monitor-class display or something else far outside my price range...(shrugs)

Panel lottery aspects aside--although admittedly I don't know how severe that possibility is--off some cursory checks it looks like the Hisense 65H8G is probably the best set so far that meets those criteria (apparently there are two positions for its legs to be installed in, so it meets the width requirement). Apart from that, and possibly the TCL 6-series if I could find a really good deal on it, should I be looking at anything else actively? Or should I try to wait until sale season rolls around in general?

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Hi all,
Been following along for a few weeks, but still feel compelled to directly ask your advice:

New unit will be replacing a Samsung 65KS8000 from about 4 years ago. Nothing wrong with it, just now have a bigger house and wife would like to fill up the wall. And yes, I am very lucky.

Viewing room is your usual 'Great Room' and thus will have fairly high ambient lighting present with windows on the south side. The display will be in a niche about 3-ft deep and 9-ft wide. I am looking for the largest practicable display size, so 85 or 86-inches. Seating will extend out to about 35-degrees, and on a more narrow basis extend back to 13 to 17 ft. Content will be mostly streamed Chinese Pop-So's and broadcast sports with the occasional movie-night.

I think that my choices are between Samsung QAN85Q8DTAFXZA or the LG 86NANO91ANA.AUS for about $600 less. Both from Costco.

Plus and minus? I am trending toward Samsung just because I've had two prior ones without problems (BIG plus to NOT ever have to speak to Samsung Customer Support), and their screen coating (semi-matte?) seems to handle glare well. Downside of Samsung is that they seem to have neutered the 8-series with lower specification for FALD current year. Downside of LG is just that I don't know them well. Your thoughts on this are most welcome.

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I think that my choices are between Samsung QAN85Q8DTAFXZA or the LG 86NANO91ANA.AUS for about $600 less. Both from Costco.
Get the Samsung because it is a VA panel for deeper blacks, has a better anti-reflective filter, has better functioning FALD, and has a wide viewing angle similar to that IPS panel LG. The 2020 Q80T has a glossy screen with the top performing anti-reflective coating, not matte, but has fewer FALD zones than the 2019 model but it's local dimming still works better than the LG's does. The advantages of the LG are that it is a bit brighter and has Dolby Vision which isn't important IMO since everything is available in HDR anyway.
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Get the Samsung because it is a VA panel for deeper blacks, has a better anti-reflective filter, has better functioning FALD, and has a wide viewing angle similar to that IPS panel LG. The 2020 Q80T has a glossy screen with the top performing anti-reflective coating, not matte, but has fewer FALD zones than the 2019 model but it's local dimming still works better than the LG's does. The advantages of the LG are that it is a bit brighter and has Dolby Vision which isn't important IMO since everything is available in HDR anyway.
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Guys I'm about to buy the Samsung Q80R in 82 inches. Is the Q80R 82" worth buying even if it has no eARC and costs a few hundred more than the new Q80T?

So last night I placed the order for the Q80R 82". I hope it has no problems. I'm also hoping that Samsung updates the eARC feature for the TV.

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HELP me chose a 70-75"

HI, in 2016 I bought a Samsung KS8000 in 55". 55 was chosen to not have the screen cover the windows on either side of the 48" wall it is mounted on. I've regretted the size choice ever since as it didn't fit the room and I must squint to read smaller titles, etc..

I'm moving it to another room and buying anew, I first thought 65 but will I regret that one as well, I'll go for 70+?

While I haven't set a budget, my problem is choosing something that will at least give me my current level of PQ. I'm 80% on the time in the movie mode, I often have to use the Super bright Dynamic setting if watching in the day because of the bright light from 16 x 21 room that is glass on 3 sides ( besides the 48" wall )

A dealer I went to see told me that because of naming convention changes in 2017 or 18, I cannot just buy a new Sam 8000 and expect the same picture as mine was QLED SUHD and I'd have to look at the Q80 line at minimum for equivalent PQ, felt like BS so I thought I'd check here.
Curious about samsung but not limited to trying something else

1. Budget
If same PQ and HDR can be had on the cheap, I'm in but will spend for PQ.

2. Seating distance

Head to screen 18' straight on and about 12' away on sides and off by 7' off center

3. Size/placement limitations

mounted on wall and believe 80+ would be too imposing in the room. 75 is pushing it.

4. Uses and sources
Lots of movie nights ( Local BD rips and streaming) and sports ( cable 1080I and 4K ), & cable tv.


5. Room lighting

Very, Very, Very Bright

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HI, in 2016 I bought a Samsung KS8000 in 55". 55 was chosen to not have the screen cover the windows on either side of the 48" wall it is mounted on. I've regretted the size choice ever since as it didn't fit the room and I must squint to read smaller titles, etc..

I'm moving it to another room and buying anew, I first thought 65 but will I regret that one as well, I'll go for 70+?

While I haven't set a budget, my problem is choosing something that will at least give me my current level of PQ. I'm 80% on the time in the movie mode, I often have to use the Super bright Dynamic setting if watching in the day because of the bright light from 16 x 21 room that is glass on 3 sides ( besides the 48" wall )

A dealer I went to see told me that because of naming convention changes in 2017 or 18, I cannot just buy a new Sam 8000 and expect the same picture as mine was QLED SUHD and I'd have to look at the Q80 line at minimum for equivalent PQ, felt like BS so I thought I'd check here.
Curious about samsung but not limited to trying something else

1. Budget
If same PQ and HDR can be had on the cheap, I'm in but will spend for PQ.

2. Seating distance

Head to screen 18' straight on and about 12' away on sides and off by 7' off center

3. Size/placement limitations

mounted on wall and believe 80+ would be too imposing in the room. 75 is pushing it.

4. Uses and sources
Lots of movie nights ( Local BD rips and streaming) and sports ( cable 1080I and 4K ), & cable tv.


5. Room lighting

Very, Very, Very Bright

Thanks,
Your current KS8000 is a fairly bright TV. Much brighter than any current "8000" series Samsung (RU or TU). Since you want a brighter 75" LCD, you're looking at either the Samsung Q90T or Sony X950H. Both are very bright, both have wide angle viewing layers, both have good anti-glare coatings, and both have FALD. The Q90T is a bit better in all of those parameters, but costs about $600 more. At 18 feet you don't want anything smaller. You should look at both if possible.
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Sony A9G 77" vs LG C9 77" , which once would you get? local BB has both floor models for sale ($3k), going to check the hours on both and the warranty options.
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Sony charges more for their's, but that doesn't mean its any better. I'd get the one in the best shape, lowest hours, etc. Most think LG's WebOS user interface is better than Sony's Android. Sony fans claim motion is better on the A9G but the LG C9 supports HDMI 2.1 and VRR for gaming if that matters to you.
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Sony charges more for their's, but that doesn't mean its any better. I'd get the one in the best shape, lowest hours, etc. Most think LG's WebOS user interface is better than Sony's Android. Sony fans claim motion is better on the A9G but the LG C9 supports HDMI 2.1 and VRR for gaming if that matters to you.

Thanks for the feedback, no gaming, and won't use the interface too much (once calibrated) as the wife uses Shield tv as the primary option for plex and netflix, and i use the htpc for movies. aside hours and cosmetic, i was really weighing the video processor quality for 2k, as that accounts for most of the viewing. we are 60% tv shows, 30% movies and 10% college football.
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Your current KS8000 is a fairly bright TV. Much brighter than any current "8000" series Samsung (RU or TU). Since you want a brighter 75" LCD, you're looking at either the Samsung Q90T or Sony X950H. Both are very bright, both have wide angle viewing layers, both have good anti-glare coatings, and both have FALD. The Q90T is a bit better in all of those parameters, but costs about $600 more. At 18 feet you don't want anything smaller. You should look at both if possible.
Thanks for your reply. I don't know if I want a brighter set but at least as bright and no visible flaws in the image that would make me regret the purchase. I came from an awesome plasma to a lower end SAM LED and returned it minutes after turning it on to buy the KS8000. Although not as good as what I had, I could appreciate given the tech, it looked good but my experience is limited.

You suggest the Top tier models and I may just go that way ( leaning towards the Q90T but having never had FALD, would I see a quality diff over the Q70 or Q80 or would any "bright" tv 4 models years later be better than mine? been doin my homework for a purchase in the next few weeks and see a lot of good things from brands I've never heard of ( Vizio PX, hisence, another I don't remember). Unknown to me but with similar Pricing in the high end, are these as solid or just don't look as good?

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Sony A9G 77" vs LG C9 77" , which once would you get? local BB has both floor models for sale ($3k), going to check the hours on both and the warranty options.
Side-by-side in store, I preferred the promo video on the Sony.

To help you decide, a Digital Trends 12/19 A9G review, and rtings test reviews for both following.

"Sony Master Series A9G 4K HDR OLED TV review: The best TV"

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The Sony has less judder when displaying 24p movie content and more natural motion without any motion smoothing turned on. The A9G can clean up low-bitrate streaming content better than LG’s sets do, resulting in fewer artifacts and less color banding. In fact, some streaming content looked remarkably close to the 4K Blu-ray version of the same. Yet, it is Sony A9G’s judicious handling of HDR content which has me choosing it over competing OLEDs. It is true that LG’s OLED TVs are designed to be much brighter than Sony’s but, in my opinion, maintaining highlight details is more important.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-rev...led-tv-review/
LG C9:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled

Sony A9G:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/a9g-oled


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Is the Sony x900H 10 bit or 8 bit+FRC?
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