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post #15751 of 15762 Old 12-30-2018, 06:49 AM
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Why bother troubleshooting the sound on the TV? Even a run-of-the-mill soundbar will deliver much better audio output than the built-in speakers on the TV.

I suspect this is the universe telling you that it's time for you to upgrade your system. You can find a solution that fits pretty much any budget from a wide range of manufacturers, whether a simple one-piece soundbar or a full-fledged surround-sound system. I'm sure many of us can make recommendations if you care to share your requirements and limitations.
That assumes that the problem with the sound is with the "b-chain" portion of the audio circuit - amp or speakers, etc. If there's something wrong further up the chain, a better sound system could make it even worse (for example, if that "pulsing" contains low frequencies).

Having said that, the sound in this TV is so incredibly awful, I don't know how anyone uses it without an external device. I always listen to this set via my A/V system, even late at night and/or watching news shows, which was not my original intention. When watching late at night, I don't turn on the subwoofer.
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That assumes that the problem with the sound is with the "b-chain" portion of the audio circuit - amp or speakers, etc. If there's something wrong further up the chain, a better sound system could make it even worse (for example, if that "pulsing" contains low frequencies).
But the only easy way to find out is to circumvent the built-in speakers, which takes us back to my original suggestion.


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Having said that, the sound in this TV is so incredibly awful, I don't know how anyone uses it without an external device. I always listen to this set via my A/V system, even late at night and/or watching news shows, which was not my original intention. When watching late at night, I don't turn on the subwoofer.
I don't think this TV's audio is any worse than it is on just about any other set--which is damning by faint praise. IMHO, anyone who cares enough (and is willing to drop the requisite bread) to purchase a high-end display should not hesitate to add a decent audio system to the mix.

BTW, just this morning we watched an episode of the Netflix series "Chef's Table" on my bedroom 55HX929 streamed from an Amazon FireTV 4K. It's a beautifully filmed series in UHD/HDR and I have always watched it on my main set, the 65Z9D. But we were having our breakfast cappuccino in bed and decided to catch an episode of this haute cuisine show. We were both blown away by how gorgeous the picture was on a mere 2K display without any HDR rendering capability. Even having watched a dozen episodes in full UHD/HDR, we did not feel we were missing anything on this TV.

I've had the 55HX929 for almost six years and, although overtaken by several generations of A/V technology upgrades, it still impresses me.

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I am curious if anyone knows why my 55HX929 still looks better than most 4k televisions showing 1080p?
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I am curious if anyone knows why my 55HX929 still looks better than most 4k televisions showing 1080p?
Mine is excellent and close but not quite as good as my LG-OLED

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Mine is excellent and close but not quite as good as my LG-OLED
That is saying a lot. It seems my colors, sharpness and contrast look much better than most of these 4k television I've seen. Perhaps its because all broadcast and blu-rays are mostly 1080i/p. Maybe the native format just looks better. In any event, I cannot even justify getting 4k owning a 55HX929 and an 46XBR8. The 929 already has HDR.
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Where are you seeing these 4K TV's? If you're seeing them in mass retail, they're in "store blast" mode and uncalibrated, so they're not going to look great. Find a specialist dealer with calibrated sets. There's a lot of 4K sets out there at unbelievably low prices and they're remarkable at the price, but they don't have the quality that the high end sets do. There are 55" UHD smart TV's in the big box stores for under $400. I love my Sony HX929, but the new 4K Sony's at the top of the line do indeed look better.

Having said that and since these days, I've become a cheap guy, I'm also not willing to invest in the UHD sets I've seen so far based on the quality of my Sony 55HX929, even though a number that I've seen are crisper and have better blacks and better color. Maybe in another year. I think my HX929 looks as good as the day I bought it.
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That is saying a lot. It seems my colors, sharpness and contrast look much better than most of these 4k television I've seen. Perhaps its because all broadcast and blu-rays are mostly 1080i/p. Maybe the native format just looks better. In any event, I cannot even justify getting 4k owning a 55HX929 and an 46XBR8.
I agree that the 55HX929 and 46XBR8 are still magnificent sets and can hold their own against pretty much any other TV currently on the market in those screen sizes. However, that is partly due to the fact that no major manufacturer is offering their best picture processing in anything less than a 65" display. So IMO you are justified in forgoing a replacement unless you are prepared to get a larger set.

HOWEVER, there is a significant qualitative improvement in PQ in a source that is encoded in UHD/HDR over that same source viewed in HD/SDR on these older TV's.

I have both the 55HX929 and 65Z9D, and both are immensely satisfying (see my earlier post above). But I do all of my critical viewing on the Z9D.



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The 929 already has HDR.
I assume by the emoticon that you meant this statement tongue-in-cheek. Of course, the HX929 and XBR8 are SDR only.
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Zoe and Chi guy50, I am looking at 4k televisions at different friends homes. They are mostly Samsung and one has a TCL which is not saying much. But, as far as HDR on the HX929, go to the menu for Picture and Display, go to Pro Picture Setup and you will HDR right above the Super Bit Mapping setting. The XBR8 has a similar HDR adjustment.
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Zoe and Chi guy50, I am looking at 4k televisions at different friends homes. They are mostly Samsung and one has a TCL which is not saying much. But, as far as HDR on the HX929, go to the menu for Picture and Display, go to Pro Picture Setup and you will HDR right above the Super Bit Mapping setting. The XBR8 has a similar HDR adjustment.

You are referring to the HDMI Dynamic Range setting? That range is still limited to SDR. HDR decoding did not exist for these TV's when they were being manufactured, and I do not believe that their SoC's would have the capacity to perform this function even if Sony had wanted to update the firmware after the fact.

If you can play back any HDR source on either of those sets and show an HDR readout, I would be very interested to see it.


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What are the HDMI Dynamic Range settings?

The HDMI® Dynamic Range feature helps produce natural color by changing the luminance tone reproduction of HDMI input color signals. The dynamic range of the image is reproduced properly by selecting the desired dynamic range for signal type being used.
  • Use the Auto setting during normal operation. The Auto setting automatically selects the dynamic range Full or Limited based on dynamic range information coming from connected device.
  • The Full setting should be used when you would like the signal range fixed to full range. An example may be a high-definition signal from a device connected using an HDMI cable.
  • Limited: The signal range is fixed to limited range. This should be used when less color is desired.
There is small possibility that the connected HDMI device will send wrong dynamic range information. In this case, if Auto is selected the TV will default to a limited dynamic range and the picture may appear with either white saturation (no details in bright white areas) or black saturation (no detail in dark scenes).
Follow these steps if the image appears with either white or black saturation:
  1. Using the supplied remote, press the Home button.
  2. Select Settings.
  3. Select TV Picture Mode.
  4. Select Reset.
  5. Press the Enter button.
NOTE: If the image quality is not improved by following the steps above, it is possible that the connected HDMI device is sending wrong dynamic range information. Try changing the Dynamic range setting in the menu of the TV

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Thanks for the information chi_guy. Last night, I was watching he Superbowl on a 75" Samsung 4k LED. While the picture was quite nice, It did not look as natural, but rather, slightly processed. I attribute this to the 1080i broadcast being up converted to 4k by the Samsung. I went home halftime to look at my 55HX929, and its picture appeared more natural. To upgrade my television at this time to 4k will be a hard sell. Maybe I need to look at OLED.
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Thanks for the information chi_guy. Last night, I was watching he Superbowl on a 75" Samsung 4k LED. While the picture was quite nice, It did not look as natural, but rather, slightly processed. I attribute this to the 1080i broadcast being up converted to 4k by the Samsung. I went home halftime to look at my 55HX929, and its picture appeared more natural. To upgrade my television at this time to 4k will be a hard sell. Maybe I need to look at OLED.

I'm not questioning your inclination to resist upgrading to a 4K (more properly UHD/HDR) TV for now, but what you describe is not a valid comparison since there are so many unknown factors for which one must account (what are the technical specifications of that other TV, what picture mode was it set to, and how was it calibrated (if at all); what were the ambient lighting conditions; how does the quality of the incoming TV signal compare to that of your MVPD, etc., etc.).

HST, the principal attraction of a UHD/HDR TV is not its upconversion of lesser signals but rather the ability to view native 4K/HDR sources in their full glory with high dynamic range and wide color gamut.

Also, that program material is not a good test; the Rams offense would still look atrocious on any TV.

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Also, that program material is not a good test; the Rams offense would still look atrocious on any TV.
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