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Hello, has anyone seen a input lag measurement for the Elite? Also for owners of the Elite. Do you still get a wow factor from your set. I'm just about to pull the trigger. But would like some input from current owners. Thanks for your help.
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Do you still get a wow factor from your set.

yes, but ISF calibration was the key.
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I need your input, please.
I have now read through 302 pages of this thread and about 9050 posts. I have about 80 pages to go and a 2,500 post to go before getting to the Caught Up post.
I have decided the 70" Elite will be my next TV, thanks to all the positive posts on this thread. Before deciding on the Elite, I looked at the Samsung ES8000 LEC thread, the new Sony HX950 LED and the Samsung E8000 plasma thread only to see almost nothing but complaints and even the threats of a law suit.
Before I purchase...
I have heard that Sharp wasn't going to continue the Elite and now I have heard that they are. My question is: Do I purchase the 2012 Elite 70" now OR wait to see if there is going to be a 2013 which would be a second generation Elite, correct? If there is going to be a 2013 model, it might actually even be a better TV??????????????????????
Please, your thoughts.
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if you'd actually read as much of this thread as you claim, then you would have come across at least one of the HUNDREDS of posts asking the exact same question and receiving the exact same answer: NO ONE KNOWS YET!!
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if you'd actually read as much of this thread as you claim, then you would have come across at least one of the HUNDREDS of posts asking the exact same question and receiving the exact same answer: NO ONE KNOWS YET!!

Your response to my question was rather dumb and juvenile. Page 302 was started in May of 2012. A lot of information could have been leaked between the months of May and December the 11th when I posted my question.



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Just got mine, but it definitely gives the wow factor. Watched a couple of episodes of Lost on Blu-ray last night and the picture is just incredible. Wish I had room for the 70" version but it just won't work in my Den. It blows away the Sony 909 that I replaced. I also get lots of sun in the morning and the picture is fine for news or sports or my wife may have on HGTV.

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^^^ Nice. Great looking room and set. I still hope to pull the trigger on a 60 very soon. Just waiting for that special deal wink.gif

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Hello, has anyone seen a input lag measurement for the Elite? Also for owners of the Elite. Do you still get a wow factor from your set. I'm just about to pull the trigger. But would like some input from current owners. Thanks for your help.

Bought mine (70") in July and yes I still get that wow factor. No regrets what so ever.

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Also for owners of the Elite. Do you still get a wow factor from your set. I'm just about to pull the trigger. But would like some input from current owners. Thanks for your help.

I've had my since 70" since May and still impressed with the picture quality, and even more so now that the Darbee is permanently in my setup. It's not the perfect TV, but it's exactly what I was looking for other than wishing it were an 80" smile.gif
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Just got mine, but it definitely gives the wow factor. Watched a couple of episodes of Lost on Blu-ray last night and the picture is just incredible. Wish I had room for the 70" version but it just won't work in my Den. It blows away the Sony 909 that I replaced. I also get lots of sun in the morning and the picture is fine for news or sports or my wife may have on HGTV.

Nice setup but I sure makes the 60'' look to small for your environment. biggrin.gif

 

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I remember stating there'd be no 2012 Elite and being bitch slapped (a long time ago).

I remember being duped by Sharp about a 4K display in 2012.

I remember Sharp promising local dimming, non-Elite displays in 2011 and 2012.

Sharp has a funny way with the truth and fools other people (those that believed that there'd be a new Elite) and me (many times).

Whatever they say at CES will likely be partially true at best.

There's a saying about "everything in moderation". If only it was applied to well, you know...
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Nice setup but I sure makes the 60'' look to small for your environment. biggrin.gif

This is my TV and its size is OK from my recliner. My theater is in a sepatate room.biggrin.gif I agree though, it does look a bit small in the room but I just didn't have space for the 70. I should have made the room about 2 feet wider.
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I've had my since 70" since May and still impressed with the picture quality, and even more so now that the Darbee is permanently in my setup. It's not the perfect TV, but it's exactly what I was looking for other than wishing it were an 80" smile.gif

I would completely agree. I got my 70" in May as well and was committed to obtain a professional calibration; however after a good deal of reasearch I was hesitant to proceed with the calibration as my very unscientific polling seemed to indicate a split on satisfaction with the results of calibration. It appeared to me that satisfaction was about 55-45 favorable, sufficient to give me pause for +/- $400 (nonrefundable, no satisfaction guarantee) investment. Especially since it seemed calibration tended to yield a darker picture, which I personally do not like and my Elite is in a very bright room which would have only exacerbated the darker picture issue. During my hesitation, the Darbee Darblet was release, after reading all the positive reviews I decided to try this device as it was refundable as well as reasonably priced. The wow factor (pop) was incredible! While I can't compare this to a calibration, I simply cannot imagine the picture being better. So, I too, am still amazed by the picture the Elite produces.
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Today I took the Blu Barka to BB. I sat and watched the entire film. Damn, it was beautiful on the Elite 70"

I am trying to talk myself into ordering from Chris now vs waiting for CES in January to see what Sharp is going to do.



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I would completely agree. I got my 70" in May as well and was committed to obtain a professional calibration; however after a good deal of reasearch I was hesitant to proceed with the calibration as my very unscientific polling seemed to indicate a split on satisfaction with the results of calibration. It appeared to me that satisfaction was about 55-45 favorable, sufficient to give me pause for +/- $400 (nonrefundable, no satisfaction guarantee) investment. Especially since it seemed calibration tended to yield a darker picture, which I personally do not like and my Elite is in a very bright room which would have only exacerbated the darker picture issue. During my hesitation, the Darbee Darblet was release, after reading all the positive reviews I decided to try this device as it was refundable as well as reasonably priced. The wow factor (pop) was incredible! While I can't compare this to a calibration, I simply cannot imagine the picture being better. So, I too, am still amazed by the picture the Elite produces.

I have the same feeling about calibration and am on the fence. I guess I won't know until I try!

Are there other Elite savy "rockstar calibrators" besides Kevin Miller?...he seems to pop up most on this thread. Also, do calibrators usally just deal wth the color or are some of them familiar enough with the sets to know how to tweak others settings? (i.e. IVC, Motion Enhancement, Active Contrast etc)

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OK, OK. I don't actually use glasses to watch TV. And I didn't use a green marker on my bezel. So it must have been the calibration ...
But I'm still trying to figure out why I didn't notice any improvement from my CyberPower 1000PFCLCD.

Power conditioners I think are negligible at best. I just want something that is stable on current delivery and God forbid I have a power spike or another lightning hit. It may not be bullet proof, but if it lessens the likelihood of another insurance claim like I had a couple years back, I'll happily avoid it.
What you need is a high quality surge protector. If you are in an area with bad power service, and are experiencing wide fluctuations, then a power conditioner would help protect your gear. The other benefits are subjective, and I don't recall any double blind studies that established that humans can tell the difference.

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I remember stating there'd be no 2012 Elite and being bitch slapped (a long time ago).
I remember being duped by Sharp about a 4K display in 2012.
I remember Sharp promising local dimming, non-Elite displays in 2011 and 2012.
Sharp has a funny way with the truth and fools other people (those that believed that there'd be a new Elite) and me (many times).
Whatever they say at CES will likely be partially true at best.
That is spot on brother....... Except all manufacturers are guilty of this to some degree.
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I read as much of the thread as I could stand. I have some Qs I hope some owners will be kind enough to answer

1/ does the 70" version have specific problems that the 60" does not? It shouldn't, being backlit, but I don't know.

2/ I like the better Samsung LCDs for that crystal clear, like seeing through the window look, esp in bright scenes. Does the elite have the same? (the one I see at BB doesn't have the right demo material to see this)

3/ I had a non elite sharp 70". It had terrible motion handling. Any motion blur in the source showed up horribly. I could not find a comfortable combination of motion smoothing. I had to put up with either motion blur all the time on any small movements, or eerily smooth motion interrupted by frame drops and judder on pans and camera whips that many shows are fond of now.

4/ how is the video processing. Does it do a good job cleaning up subpar content. By subpar, I don't mean SD. I mean HD cable stations like AMC, IFC, TNT, etc and ota channels and good quality Netflix streaming (I have fios). I had a vt50 (Panny plasma) and blu ray looked great but it was pretty brutal to lesser source. A kind way to put it is it's accurate; the unkind way is it has no noise reduction worth a damn.

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Just got mine, but it definitely gives the wow factor. Watched a couple of episodes of Lost on Blu-ray last night and the picture is just incredible. Wish I had room for the 70" version but it just won't work in my Den. It blows away the Sony 909 that I replaced. I also get lots of sun in the morning and the picture is fine for news or sports or my wife may have on HGTV.

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I read as much of the thread as I could stand. I have some Qs I hope some owners will be kind enough to answer
1/ does the 70" version have specific problems that the 60" does not? It shouldn't, being backlit, but I don't know.
2/ I like the better Samsung LCDs for that crystal clear, like seeing through the window look, esp in bright scenes. Does the elite have the same? (the one I see at BB doesn't have the right demo material to see this)
3/ I had a non elite sharp 70". It had terrible motion handling. Any motion blur in the source showed up horribly. I could not find a comfortable combination of motion smoothing. I had to put up with either motion blur all the time on any small movements, or eerily smooth motion interrupted by frame drops and judder on pans and camera whips that many shows are fond of now.
4/ how is the video processing. Does it do a good job cleaning up subpar content. By subpar, I don't mean SD. I mean HD cable stations like AMC, IFC, TNT, etc and ota channels and good quality Netflix streaming (I have fios). I had a vt50 (Panny plasma) and blu ray looked great but it was pretty brutal to lesser source. A kind way to put it is it's accurate; the unkind way is it has no noise reduction worth a damn.
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I am getting ready for the 70" myself.

I can answer no. 2

I have a Samsung 55" 8000 series and I LOVE the "seeing through the window look, esp in bright scenes" also. Yesterday, I went to BB and had them load up my Barak blu-ray to see if the PQ was as good as my Samsung which I love. i watched for 2 solid hours.

The set was not calibrated but the manager of the Magnolia department knew how to eye-ball the PQ. Bottom line for me was: The PQ was better, sharper and clearer than my 8000.

I am a believer and going to purchase the 70" Elite

I will be looking forward to other answers to you questions.


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I read as much of the thread as I could stand. I have some Qs I hope some owners will be kind enough to answer
1/ does the 70" version have specific problems that the 60" does not? It shouldn't, being backlit, but I don't know.
2/ I like the better Samsung LCDs for that crystal clear, like seeing through the window look, esp in bright scenes. Does the elite have the same? (the one I see at BB doesn't have the right demo material to see this)
3/ I had a non elite sharp 70". It had terrible motion handling. Any motion blur in the source showed up horribly. I could not find a comfortable combination of motion smoothing. I had to put up with either motion blur all the time on any small movements, or eerily smooth motion interrupted by frame drops and judder on pans and camera whips that many shows are fond of now.
4/ how is the video processing. Does it do a good job cleaning up subpar content. By subpar, I don't mean SD. I mean HD cable stations like AMC, IFC, TNT, etc and ota channels and good quality Netflix streaming (I have fios). I had a vt50 (Panny plasma) and blu ray looked great but it was pretty brutal to lesser source. A kind way to put it is it's accurate; the unkind way is it has no noise reduction worth a damn.
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"1/ does the 70" version have specific problems that the 60" does not? It shouldn't, being backlit, but I don't know."

A: Not to my knowledge, the 60'' has less local dimming zones then the 70'' but that's about it. Some say the 70'' has (marginally) better black level's as a result, but no definitive proof ether way and I'm very skeptical on the theory. Additionally their has been more reported issues with the 60'' versus 70'' but both sets should be the exact same picture wise.

2/ I like the better Samsung LCDs for that crystal clear, like seeing through the window look, esp in bright scenes. Does the elite have the same? (the one I see at BB doesn't have the right demo material to see this)

A: Samsung displays are well known for their over-saturation in color especially in torch picture modes. This is a marketing ploy only in hopes to grab the customers attention under less then perfect viewing conditions, usually under a flood of ambient lighting. Next time you go and look at the Elite put the picture mode on ELITE PURE and then compare again. biggrin.gif

3/ I had a non elite sharp 70". It had terrible motion handling. Any motion blur in the source showed up horribly. I could not find a comfortable combination of motion smoothing. I had to put up with either motion blur all the time on any small movements, or eerily smooth motion interrupted by frame drops and judder on pans and camera whips that many shows are fond of now.

A: Very few have complained about the motion handling on the Elite you're welcome to try my 10 point calibration settings or CNET's, but you shouldn't be disappointed ether way.

4/ how is the video processing. Does it do a good job cleaning up subpar content. By subpar, I don't mean SD. I mean HD cable stations like AMC, IFC, TNT, etc and ota channels and good quality Netflix streaming (I have fios). I had a vt50 (Panny plasma) and blu ray looked great but it was pretty brutal to lesser source. A kind way to put it is it's accurate; the unkind way is it has no noise reduction worth a damn.

A: Most internal futures related to artificial enhancement to the picture or it's source content in any way are usually turned off by the calibrator. In regard to your question, with everything turned off I find that the Elite does a great job with cable source content and I have not noticed any de-interlacing issues in 1080i content. Note: If you're concerned about this get yourself a nice A/V receiver and run everything through it like I do. Additionally I will upon occasion see some pulsing issues with my cable source, however it's really a non issue as it rarely pop's up and I almost never see it on any BD sources unless it's a poor conversion or remaster. cool.gif

 

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how is the viewing angle on the 60inch elites? I have a Sony 950 and noticed the screen being washed out when I view at certain angles.
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how is the viewing angle on the 60inch elites? I have a Sony 950 and noticed the screen being washed out when I view at certain angles.

(Best in class.) wink.gif Advancements in this area are apparent on the Elite, however I'd still recommend the front and center (the sweet spot.) In fact why anyone would buy this display and watch a nice blu-ray movie off-axis is beyond me. eek.gif

PS: The Elite really is in a class all on it's own, past comparison tests show Plasma displays to win out every time over LED in picture quality up until now. To my knowledge it's the first LED to win out over a Plasma in an HD-Shootout and for good reason. It's picture quality is very Plasma like in most regards but with better black levels, full screen whites and superior contrast ratio to name a few. See Kevin Miller's review of the Elite for more info.

 

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(Best in class.) wink.gif Advancements in this area are apparent on the Elite, however I'd still recommend the front and center (the sweet spot.) In fact why anyone would buy this display and watch a nice blu-ray movie off-axis is beyond me. eek.gif
PS: The Elite really is in a class all on it's own, past comparison tests show Plasma displays to win out every time over LED in picture quality up until now. To my knowledge it's the first LED to win out over a Plasma in an HD-Shootout and for good reason. It's picture quality is very Plasma like in most regards but with better black levels, full screen whites and superior contrast ratio to name a few. See Kevin Miller's review of the Elite for more info.

Do you know if has better viewing angle than the Sony 950? I just got this panel and the angle is poor and I have banding issues.
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I just purchased the Elite 70 two weeks ago. I have everything hooked up with 1 HDMI from my TV to my receiver, Denon 1912, and my Cable box (Cox DCT-6416 iii) and my Samsung Blu Ray Player (6700 I believe).

So I am having a handshake issue with my cable box and the TV. It will work perfect for a while and then red lines go across the screen and then the picture will go out, then come back on for a second then go out for 30 seconds and does this till I turn the TV off. I have had all 5 cable boxes Cox offers hooked up and they all do the same thing. So I unplugged the TV and HDMI from receiver to the cable box, then unplugged the cable box and waited 5 minutes and plugged everything back in to re-establish the hand off. Then the TV will work fine for a few hours and then go back to the exact same scenario of picture blinking in and out.

I know it is not HDMI issues because the Blu Ray player works perfect all the time. Just the cable box.

I have done numerous searches and have heard of what others have tried on their Direct TV boxes but I have COX Communications and don't want to change everything just for this TV. I have brought the TV down from 1080i, to 720p, 480 and so on. It does it on all of the different settings on the cable box.

Any suggestions from you guys?

I have been working with Sharp's Elite hotline and they have a tech dispatched to come to my house tomorrow to replace the main board of the TV. Do you believe that is necessary on a TV I have only had for 2 weeks?

Thanks for any help. Its hard to keep my wife happy with a $5K TV that I can't watch cable on. LOL.
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how is the viewing angle on the 60inch elites? I have a Sony 950 and noticed the screen being washed out when I view at certain angles.

I have a 60 inch and see no problems until I go 4-5 feet away from center (my position is about 10-11 feet from the TV). When in that "off angle" range I usually only see the washed out look on flesh tones and maybe a wee bit with blacks (testing as I write). All other colors appear fine to me at most normal angles.

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Do you know if has better viewing angle than the Sony 950? I just got this panel and the angle is poor and I have banding issues.

I have a 60" calibrated and I would say anything outside about a 45 degree cone to either side you start to see a noticeably washed out picture. I am am fan of this set, but if you have critical viewers that will regularly be outside this "cone", I would not recommend the set. JMO
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I just purchased the Elite 70 two weeks ago. I have everything hooked up with 1 HDMI from my TV to my receiver, Denon 1921, and my Cable box (Cox DCT-6416 iii) and my Samsung Blu Ray Player (6700 I believe).
So I am having a handshake issue with my cable box and the TV. It will work perfect for a while and then red lines go across the screen and then the picture will go out, then come back on for a second then go out for 30 seconds and does this till I turn the TV off. I have had all 5 cable boxes Cox offers hooked up and they all do the same thing. So I unplugged the TV and HDMI from receiver to the cable box, then unplugged the cable box and waited 5 minutes and plugged everything back in to re-establish the hand off. Then the TV will work fine for a few hours and then go back to the exact same scenario of picture blinking in and out.
I know it is not HDMI issues because the Blu Ray player works perfect all the time. Just the cable box.
I have done numerous searches and have heard of what others have tried on their Direct TV boxes but I have COX Communications and don't want to change everything just for this TV. I have brought the TV down from 1080i, to 720p, 480 and so on. It does it on all of the different settings on the cable box.
Any suggestions from you guys?
I have been working with Sharp's Elite hotline and they have a tech dispatched to come to my house tomorrow to replace the main board of the TV. Do you believe that is necessary on a TV I have only had for 2 weeks?
Thanks for any help. Its hard to keep my wife happy with a $5K TV that I can't watch cable on. LOL.

A somewhat drastic solution for your problem would be to purchase a AV receiver with standby passthrough. Not entirely sure how much of the negotiation is "terminated" at the receiver, but my impression is that the handshake *is* different when a receiver is in the middle (of the conversation).
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I just purchased the Elite 70 two weeks ago. I have everything hooked up with 1 HDMI from my TV to my receiver, Denon 1921, and my Cable box (Cox DCT-6416 iii) and my Samsung Blu Ray Player (6700 I believe).
So I am having a handshake issue with my cable box and the TV. It will work perfect for a while and then red lines go across the screen and then the picture will go out, then come back on for a second then go out for 30 seconds and does this till I turn the TV off. I have had all 5 cable boxes Cox offers hooked up and they all do the same thing. So I unplugged the TV and HDMI from receiver to the cable box, then unplugged the cable box and waited 5 minutes and plugged everything back in to re-establish the hand off. Then the TV will work fine for a few hours and then go back to the exact same scenario of picture blinking in and out.
I know it is not HDMI issues because the Blu Ray player works perfect all the time. Just the cable box.
I have done numerous searches and have heard of what others have tried on their Direct TV boxes but I have COX Communications and don't want to change everything just for this TV. I have brought the TV down from 1080i, to 720p, 480 and so on. It does it on all of the different settings on the cable box.
Any suggestions from you guys?
I have been working with Sharp's Elite hotline and they have a tech dispatched to come to my house tomorrow to replace the main board of the TV. Do you believe that is necessary on a TV I have only had for 2 weeks?
Thanks for any help. Its hard to keep my wife happy with a $5K TV that I can't watch cable on. LOL.

A few other things you could try: 1. Change the HDMI cables from STB and AVR make sure all are at least 6 ft. long. 2. If # 1. doesn't fix the problem plug the new/different cable from the STB into the TV's HDMI input you are currently using for Blu-ray. If neither work glad the tech visit is scheduled.
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