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post #5881 of 5920 Old 11-27-2017, 01:09 PM
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I just wanted to stop in and say hello to all my fellow W900A owners. It's been awhile since I have been on here and my W9 still still kicking and doing its thing beautifully. I still have no interest in 4K/HDR and its all thanks to my W9 and as long as its still kicking and doing its thing I wont be parting with it anytime soon. Take it easy everyone!
My W9's days are numbered. When HDMI 2.1 comes out I'll get an OLED set and my JS9000 will get moved to the bedroom. At that point my W9 will be the odd man out. I'll probably still keep it as a spare / backup because resell value on it is probably worthless but it will be retired as a gaming TV.

I mean I feel like it's one of the best TVs I ever purchased but the tech has moved past it and it's dated now. I mean it's the pinnacle of 1080p sets but life goes on. I spent a lot of money on that JS9000 and its 4K so it gets the nod.
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My W9's days are numbered. When HDMI 2.1 comes out I'll get an OLED set and my JS9000 will get moved to the bedroom. At that point my W9 will be the odd man out. I'll probably still keep it as a spare / backup because resell value on it is probably worthless but it will be retired as a gaming TV.

I mean I feel like it's one of the best TVs I ever purchased but the tech has moved past it and it's dated now. I mean it's the pinnacle of 1080p sets but life goes on. I spent a lot of money on that JS9000 and its 4K so it gets the nod.
I moved on from my W9 about 4 months ago and went with the Samsung Curved UN55KU6500FXZA. I sold my W9 to a friend so I know it will be well taken care of and honestly I havent looked back. I never expected my Samsung 6500 to match the PQ of my old W9 but it has and the wife and I are enjoying the hell out of it. I've pretty much upgraded everything in my HT rig and the only thing Sony is my 770 AVR and the rear Satellite speakers which will be replaced soon as well. Never thought I would part with my W9 but it was time to move on and 4 months ago thats what I did and went 4K.
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Should I set the Nintendo Switch to Full Range or Limited Range on the KDL-55W900A?

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Should every console be set to limited?
Yes, it is what I recommend. You also need this for supporting x.v.color on "mastered in 4k" BDs.
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If for gaming, the consoles should be set to full. Full-RGB is the native colorspace of games.
If playing videos/movies, the consoles should be set to limited, or - even better - to produce YUV/YCbCr output. That's the native colorspace of video material.
Ideally, the console will offwer some setting to treat games and video stuff differently.

x.v.color is a concept that works in YUV/YCbCr colorspace. The "extended" color information would after conversion result in "negative" RGB values, which is impossible, thus it should be handed over in its native YUV format, not in RGB.
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If for gaming, the consoles should be set to full. Full-RGB is the native colorspace of games.
If playing videos/movies, the consoles should be set to limited, or - even better - to produce YUV/YCbCr output. That's the native colorspace of video material.
Ideally, the console will offwer some setting to treat games and video stuff differently.
I am pretty confident that RGB limited is the native space for console gaming. Full for PCs. When set to Auto (RGB, YUV444, YUV422) I believe the Sony PS3 will auto switches RGB for gaming and YUV for media. I believe the Xbox One prefered RGB in most scenarios.

4k/HDR is a different story. Because 2160p60 10-bit HDR will not fit in a 18Gbps pipe at 4:4:4 consoles have to send 422 or 420 for HDR gaming.
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I am pretty confident that RGB limited is the native space for console gaming. Full for PCs.
How comes? limited-RGB is a format that doesn't exist in the first place, it was merely invented to make an easier transition from the 16-235 YUV colorspace to RGB colospace (normal video uses Y luminance from 16 to 235, converting to full-RGB 0-255 will necessarily create sort of banding, hence limited-RGB was invented as a helper format).
If RGB is rendered natively (as games are doing), I'm pretty confident that the engines are rendering full-RGB. If it wasn't so, then 1) you could omit the full-option of the console right away, and 2) the distinction between game-output and video-output wouldn't be necessary either.

But in the end it's not a big matter, set the console to limited or to full or to whatever ... as long as the TV's HDMI setting is also set accordingly/correctly, most people won't notice a difference.
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If I set my Xbox One X on my KDL55W900A to Full it looks very washed out :/

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I spent a lot of time reading about the whole RGB limited and full thing on a TV a long time ago and the general recommendation was to set the Xbox and TV to limited and calibrate it based on that.
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Late to the party re: this firmware update. Has anyone had any problems with it? Any noticeable improvements?

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If I set my Xbox One X on my KDL55W900A to Full it looks very washed out :/
Which device are you setting to "full"? The W905 TV in it's HDMI input settings, or the Xbox in its output settings? If you change the one, you must also change the other.

Box-output to limited and TV HDMI-input to limited, or TV-in to full and box-out to full, will both result in the same range of picture contrast. Only thing is, as far as games are concerned, with the limited variant you're loosing approx. 13% of shading accuracy. (Engine is natively rendering 255 shades, output is reduced to 220 shades, guess where the loss might be.)
Of course you can use the limited/imited combination also for games, the edge values of blacklevel/whitelevel/contrast will be correct. But for the 13% loss of shading accuracy.

But well then, it must also be noted that the Xbox boxes are a surprise-bag in themselves. For some reason Microsoft decided to make their boxes to not output a stable gamma-curve, the MS engine is always tinkering with the gamma curve in some (unpredictable) way. Which eventually might affect the decision which kind of setting might look better than the other. But that's a specific problem (potentially) with Microsoft boxes. The general answer is as simple as that: for video games, the preferred option should be RGB @ full/full. That is how RGB (gaming) is working.

I don't have a X-One just a X360, but that combo is running since day one with X360 output = full ("extended") and W905 HDMI input =full, and there surely nothing is "washed out". Black is on-spot black. (do I set W905 brightness 1 point less from 50 - nothing happens, do I set W905 brightness 1 point more than 50 - black brightens up. It won't get more correct than that.)
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Late to the party re: this firmware update. Has anyone had any problems with it? Any noticeable improvements?

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I have this TV since the end of 2013 and I updated with quite some firmwares, but I have to say that I never saw any visual improvement during this time. Also features and settings stayed the same and they did not changed, at least those which I use. There were some changes in internet applications of the TV, but those I do not use at all as I have HTPC for more convenient use and surfing.
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Which device are you setting to "full"? The W905 TV in it's HDMI input settings, or the Xbox in its output settings? If you change the one, you must also change the other.

Box-output to limited and TV HDMI-input to limited, or TV-in to full and box-out to full, will both result in the same range of picture contrast. Only thing is, as far as games are concerned, with the limited variant you're loosing approx. 13% of shading accuracy. (Engine is natively rendering 255 shades, output is reduced to 220 shades, guess where the loss might be.)
Of course you can use the limited/imited combination also for games, the edge values of blacklevel/whitelevel/contrast will be correct. But for the 13% loss of shading accuracy.

But well then, it must also be noted that the Xbox boxes are a surprise-bag in themselves. For some reason Microsoft decided to make their boxes to not output a stable gamma-curve, the MS engine is always tinkering with the gamma curve in some (unpredictable) way. Which eventually might affect the decision which kind of setting might look better than the other. But that's a specific problem (potentially) with Microsoft boxes. The general answer is as simple as that: for video games, the preferred option should be RGB @ full/full. That is how RGB (gaming) is working.

I don't have a X-One just a X360, but that combo is running since day one with X360 output = full ("extended") and W905 HDMI input =full, and there surely nothing is "washed out". Black is on-spot black. (do I set W905 brightness 1 point less from 50 - nothing happens, do I set W905 brightness 1 point more than 50 - black brightens up. It won't get more correct than that.)
Yes I set both the TV and Xbox One to "Full". Ugly

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I may have an addiction of some sort but I kind of want to get a W900A all these years later...

Back in 2013 I was torn between the Samsung F8000 and Sony W900A. I ended up going with the F8000 and definitely have no regrets. But since none of the current new sets are interesting to me or anywhere near true 4K HDR standards (4000 nits, rec.2020), not to mention that static contrast ratios of LCD LEDs has only marginally improved, I was considering picking up a used W900A for fun to compare with the F8000 side-by-side.

In addition to my F8000 in the living room, I also have a 2014 51" Samsung F8500 plasma (a true relic of TV technology) in my bedroom so this W900A would strictly be an extra toy that I'll probably eventually give away to a family member or friend. While all the new TVs coming out now are becoming obsolete with the next model year these high-end 1080p sets from 2013 are remaining timeless with their near flawless 1080p reproduction.

The dream would be to have collected all 4 iconic 1080p sets (Samsung F8000, Sony W900A, Samsung F8500, and Panasonic ZT60) all in one place. I need a bigger apartment... or I need to stop this addiction in its tracks!
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Has anyone been able to get [email protected] working on their W900A? If so, can you please let me know how you did so? I know that the panel is 240 hz natively, so it should be possible, right?
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Unless there is some unknown hack/setting in the service menu, it's not possible. The video engine of the W9 ist tailored to accept 60Hz input at max. The question is not the panel's refresh rate, but the capability of the video processing engine, and this is rated for not more than 60Hz..
I've heared that for some rare TVs people could manage to get them accept 120Hz input (even if not officially supported) via PC input by using some hand-written EDID settings file in the PC hardware setup ... but I can't remember to have heard anything like that for the W9.
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YouTube App Freezing at Logo

Anyone having problems with their YouTube app, see link below for solution. Mine was freezing at the YouTube logo. Deleting the TV's browser cache/cookies as described by Sony UK in the link below worked like a charm. You'll have to re-register your tv with YouTube after you delete cache. My probs started about two weeks ago. No need to do a full factory reset and lose all of your settings.

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/s...icles/00197899


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I've heared that for some rare TVs people could manage to get them accept 120Hz input (even if not officially supported) via PC input by using some hand-written EDID settings file in the PC hardware setup ... but I can't remember to have heard anything like that for the W9.
I believe these are all 4k TVs that are able to accept 1080p120.
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Still have this model as my main TV

I get really frustrated when I stream 1080p sports because the picture is so much better. Would any new TV upgrade my picture quality much while 720p is still standard ? If I bought a new TV it would be 4k probably but I would only get to use the 4k sometimes and Im more worried about regular use which would be 720p more often. Im not too concerned about getting a much larger TV because I sit pretty close
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I upgraded to the A1E and a majority of the content I watch is 1080p streamed through Hulu or Netflix. It looks great.
I can't vouch for over the air content. The most I watch is SNL or maybe a football game. Our reception isn't that great so the quality isn't either.
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Ha, this thread still lives! I still own my W9 but I’m finally going to upgrade to either the A9F or Z9F very soon. The W9 has been the best TV I’ve ever owned.


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The W9 has been a great tv. I couldn't bare to get rid of it. I moved it downstairs.

I should probably get rid of the box for it :/
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Ha, this thread still lives! I still own my W9 but I’m finally going to upgrade to either the A9F or Z9F very soon. The W9 has been the best TV I’ve ever owned.


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Same here, Best 1080P set ever made!! I want 75" next purchase, but as much as I have the BUY bug right now, I may just wait till CES 2019 and see what I like.

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Same here, Best 1080P set ever made!! I want 75" next purchase, but as much as I have the BUY bug right now, I may just wait till CES 2019 and see what I like.


Same here, it’s either Z9F, and A9F or wait until CES. But I think Sony will just show off mid-range and below at CES.


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I own this TV and am original owner. I love it but am moving up to 65inch OLED. The fact this thread has lived so long speaks well of this device.

If you live near Northern Virginia area around Alexandria and want it send me a PM. It's like-new with all packing materials and remote control. It has two stands. Original chrome and less shiny but exact match matte stand which I picked up on ebay to match my BDI A/V cabinet. TV has 749 hours use since it wasn't our primary TV.

I'd like to pass it (nominally, less than ebay) to another owner who can appreciate the quality of this TV.

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I own this TV and am original owner. I love it but am moving up to 65inch OLED. The fact this thread has lived so long speaks well of this device.



If you live near Northern Virginia area around Alexandria and want it send me a PM. It's like-new with all packing materials and remote control. It has two stands. Original chrome and less shiny but exact match matte stand which I picked up on ebay to match my BDI A/V cabinet. TV probably has about 200 hours use since it wasn't our primary TV. If you know a way to check this in service menu I'll be glad to do that for you.



I'd like to pass it (nominally, less than ebay) to another owner who can appreciate the quality of this TV.


Wait are you getting an A9F? If so I’m also an original owner of W9 and plan to order the A9F this week! Does seem like a worthy upgrade, lol.


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I think Sony OLEDs are terrific. I'm looking at A9F and other topline Sony OLEDs. I need one that doesn't tilt upward since my BDI cabinet is already 28.5 inches high. Also looking at LG C8 and E8 series.

Pricing appears to be going down as Black Friday approaches. PC Mag Store has LG 65inch C8 and E8 at lowest prices of the season. Hopefully Sony equivalent models will march downward as well.
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I’m finally a happy owner of ZF9 😉
The image is stunning. Viewing angles are very impressive, colors are perfect, the upscaling sharp and motion looks good. But it does have a bit of blooming. This is not something that bothers me in most content but can led to a bit less contrast inside medium to bright content. As I’m a gamer that wants low input lag at all resolutions and use the it as a monitor this is the best TV you can currently get in my opinion. I was also lucky to get a good Black Friday deal for 25% off ;D

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