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Nishant, I researched cables, and everything I read says that there is no specific HDMI 2.0 cable. IOW, cables that support High Speed HDMI 1.4 are perfectly good for HDMI 2.0. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide a link.

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Correct. AFAIK the HDMI Forum even told manufacturers to stop referring to cables as being 1.3, 1.4 etc because it was getting too confusing for the end user. Specs seem to focus more on bandwidth, and as long as the cable supports 18 Gb/s then it'll be fully compliant with HDMI 2.0.
Yes jerry you are right. I misspoke. I read it up again and it seems to be a hardware change and not a cable one. And any highspeed cable should be compatible. I stand corrected.

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Guys I saw 2 3d movies today that blew me away.

Oz The Great and Powerful

Wow what an experience. This is my favourite new demo disc for 3d. The pop out effects are outstanding and so is the depth. The details are pinpoint and the colours just pop. See this with your family to justify your purchase and your wife/girlfriend will never question your judgement on your tv again!

IMAX Hubble 3d

Watching this IMAX movie in 3d actually made me realise the potential that well mastered 1080p still holds. The IMAX scenes looked as good as any 4k demo i have seen. And in 3d the experience was awe inspiring. A must buy for space-buffs.
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Only downside to this TV on game mode, or at least for me is the more noticeable clouding. Never notice it on cinema.
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Guys I saw 2 3d movies today that blew me away.

Oz The Great and Powerful

Wow what an experience. This is my favourite new demo disc for 3d. The pop out effects are outstanding and so is the depth. The details are pinpoint and the colours just pop. See this with your family to justify your purchase and your wife/girlfriend will never question your judgement on your tv again!

IMAX Hubble 3d

Watching this IMAX movie in 3d actually made me realise the potential that well mastered 1080p still holds. The IMAX scenes looked as good as any 4k demo i have seen. And in 3d the experience was awe inspiring. A must buy for space-buffs.
Just picked the Hubble disc up! Can't wait to watch.
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Guys I saw 2 3d movies today that blew me away.

Oz The Great and Powerful

Wow what an experience. This is my favourite new demo disc for 3d. The pop out effects are outstanding and so is the depth. The details are pinpoint and the colours just pop. See this with your family to justify your purchase and your wife/girlfriend will never question your judgement on your tv again!

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So sony is giving me the run around about my set being normal, they are having a manager call me tomorrow morning. Do any of you guys have any advice for me?

Here's my set
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So our tv is not compatible with netflix 4k breaking bad?
The codec used by Netflix 4k was created after the 900a was released so it can not play 4K using the built in Netflix app
If you search the thread there are a lot of posts on this.

Sony is selling the fmp-x10 as the solution for 500 dollars to play 4k netflix on the 900a - but a lot of us are waiting to see how it plays out before giving Sony more of our money.
Breaking bad and house of cards are both great shows but not worth 500 in my opinion.
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So sony is giving me the run around about my set being normal, they are having a manager call me tomorrow morning. Do any of you guys have any advice for me?

Here's my set
Interesting. I called, described my problem, and they offered a new tv. It took less than 10 minutes on the phone. The only thing they required was proof of purchase. No pictures or nothing.
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So sony is giving me the run around about my set being normal, they are having a manager call me tomorrow morning. Do any of you guys have any advice for me?

Here's my set
I have clouding on my youtube app main page like you do and i also have clouding on my no signal screen but no visible clouding when content is playing on the TV that i have noticed.

I took a photo on my iPhone to compare it with your pic of the youtube page and mine looks similar to your photo.
I have had my TV since Sept 1st.

Are you using Austin Jerry's settings? I am and i am not sure if that helps with the clouding. They are on his sig line of his posts

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I have clouding on my youtube app main page like you do and i also have clouding on my no signal screen but no visible clouding when content is playing on the TV that i have noticed.

I took a photo on my iPhone to compare it with your pic of the youtube page and mine looks similar to your photo.
I have had my TV since Sept 1st.

Are you using Austin Jerry's settings? I am and i am not sure if that helps with the clouding. They are on his sig line of his posts
Yes I'm using his settings, I can see that lighter spot while watching hockey or any kind of solid lighter color.
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So sony is giving me the run around about my set being normal, they are having a manager call me tomorrow morning. Do any of you guys have any advice for me?

Here's my set
The more I see other peoples panels, the more I appreciate mine. I see a lot of the same things on mine as on yours, only not nearly as drastic. I have a much smaller bright spot that is more subtle and looks like mild DSE on bright backgrounds. I have some mild shadows at the top on bright backgrounds, but very little clouding on dark backgrounds. So short answer is yes, all things represented there in your screen are normal. But they seem much more pronounced than mine. You could try a replacement, but who knows what that will look like? I would try to get it serviced as opposed to a swap to be sure.
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Yes I'm using his settings, I can see that lighter spot while watching hockey or any kind of solid lighter color.
Anyone know if turning off the light sensor under preferences would help this? Or turning on Clear White under advanced picture settings?
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Anyone know if turning off the light sensor under preferences would help this? Or turning on Clear White under advanced picture settings?
Light sensor is one of the first things to turn off out of the box. I'd definitely try turning it off.
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Yes I'm using his settings, I can see that lighter spot while watching hockey or any kind of solid lighter color.
Yeah i saw it on your game pic too - which i don't see on my TV.
I would push the content clouding issue - since others - including myself have the issue without content on the screen and on the youtube logo screen.
Good luck - they will cave if you are persistent though.
Make sure you get a NEW one too - if they still are available.
They will try to give you refurbished unless you refuse.
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Light sensor is one of the first things to turn off out of the box. I'd definitely try turning it off.
Same here
Under eco i have everything off including the light sensor
I think that made a big improvement in my picture
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Light sensor is one of the first things to turn off out of the box. I'd definitely try turning it off.
Yeah, it does brighten the backlighting a bit. Anyone else's opinion about on or off?
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Yeah, it does brighten the backlighting a bit. Anyone else's opinion about on or off?
Off! Absolutely.
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I've had my set for about 1 week. There are many things I am pleased with regarding this television, but I am battling lip sync issues that are making me wonder if I should give Best Buy or Sony a call. How many of you have lip sync problems? This is my setup:

65x900a, connected to a Onkyo TX-NR709 receiver, in a 7.2 configuration. Connected to my receiver are a PS3 (slim model), PS4, Gamecube, Wii U, HD-DVD A2 player, Brighthouse Cable box. I noticed lip sync issues almost immediately. I've done some testing but will need to do further testing to figure this out. Both the TV and the Onkyo have the latest firmware, as do the game consoles. I have kept the Onkyo in HDMI Direct mode (no picture processing), and the sound processing is Audyssey. Previously, I had a JVC LCoS rear projection set connected to this receiver (and previously a Denon) that never had a hint of lip sync problems.
With the X900a, I've been using the A/V sync function to delay the audio to where it looks right, but sometimes I can briefly see that things are not perfect. The cable box needs about 100-110 ms delay, watching movies on the PS3 seems perfect at 125 ms delay, watching movies on the PS4 needs 200 ms (!) delay, and the HD-DVD player seems fine around 120-25 ms delay. I've also tried the WOW calibration disc to help on the PS3. I haven't had much time to try games, but it seems like some PS3 games look fine at 125 ms, while others are waay off. It is one thing if I can find the sweet spot and set it forever, but if it doesn't apply to the games (and I game quite a bit), then I don't think I can put up with this set to constantly fiddle with the audio sync. I need to do more games testing.
I mostly switch between Cinema and Game presets on the TV, and thankfully I don't notice any sync disparities changing between the two. Also, 3D movies on the PS3 seemed fine at the 125 ms setting. I did try connecting the PS3 directly to the television, and in that test it appeared that everything is synced properly. I tried using the ARC back to the receiver in this way, but it only passed 2 channel sound, which is unacceptable.
Input lag in Game Mode appears to be fine in both the PS3 and PS4, so it is really puzzling me what's causing the picture delay. I quickly tried some fighters (Guilty Gear, Street Fighter 4) and a arcade shooter (Resogun) and the action onscreen seemed to correlate just fine with my button presses and it seemed perfectly playable. I don't know if it's in the TV or something in the communication with the receiver. There is a setting on the receiver in the HDMI menu called Lip Sync, and it doesn't improve anything turning this on or leaving it off.

Anyone else experiencing similar symptoms?? Any gremlins with the sync come to the surface when this TV was added to your home theater setups? Should I try to exchange the set? Uniformity and picture quality are satisfactory to me, I'm afraid of getting something with a screen problem if I exchange the tv.

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Anyone else experiencing similar symptoms?? Any gremlins with the sync come to the surface when this TV was added to your home theater setups? Should I try to exchange the set? Uniformity and picture quality are satisfactory to me, I'm afraid of getting something with a screen problem if I exchange the tv.
Sorry, I am having a hard time believing that the display is causing lip sync issues. I don't notice any sync issues with my display connected to a Denon AVR, from sources like DirecTV and Blu-ray. I would look elsewhere in the audio signal chain for root cause. I doubt exchanging the display will improve things.
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I've had my set for about 1 week. There are many things I am pleased with regarding this television, but I am battling lip sync issues that are making me wonder if I should give Best Buy or Sony a call. How many of you have lip sync problems? This is my setup:

65x900a, connected to a Onkyo TX-NR709 receiver, in a 7.2 configuration. Connected to my receiver are a PS3 (slim model), PS4, Gamecube, Wii U, HD-DVD A2 player, Brighthouse Cable box. I noticed lip sync issues almost immediately. I've done some testing but will need to do further testing to figure this out. Both the TV and the Onkyo have the latest firmware, as do the game consoles. I have kept the Onkyo in HDMI Direct mode (no picture processing), and the sound processing is Audyssey. Previously, I had a JVC LCoS rear projection set connected to this receiver (and previously a Denon) that never had a hint of lip sync problems.
With the X900a, I've been using the A/V sync function to delay the audio to where it looks right, but sometimes I can briefly see that things are not perfect. The cable box needs about 100-110 ms delay, watching movies on the PS3 seems perfect at 125 ms delay, watching movies on the PS4 needs 200 ms (!) delay, and the HD-DVD player seems fine around 120-25 ms delay. I've also tried the WOW calibration disc to help on the PS3. I haven't had much time to try games, but it seems like some PS3 games look fine at 125 ms, while others are waay off. It is one thing if I can find the sweet spot and set it forever, but if it doesn't apply to the games (and I game quite a bit), then I don't think I can put up with this set to constantly fiddle with the audio sync. I need to do more games testing.
I mostly switch between Cinema and Game presets on the TV, and thankfully I don't notice any sync disparities changing between the two. Also, 3D movies on the PS3 seemed fine at the 125 ms setting. I did try connecting the PS3 directly to the television, and in that test it appeared that everything is synced properly. I tried using the ARC back to the receiver in this way, but it only passed 2 channel sound, which is unacceptable.
Input lag in Game Mode appears to be fine in both the PS3 and PS4, so it is really puzzling me what's causing the picture delay. I quickly tried some fighters (Guilty Gear, Street Fighter 4) and a arcade shooter (Resogun) and the action onscreen seemed to correlate just fine with my button presses and it seemed perfectly playable. I don't know if it's in the TV or something in the communication with the receiver. There is a setting on the receiver in the HDMI menu called Lip Sync, and it doesn't improve anything turning this on or leaving it off.

Anyone else experiencing similar symptoms?? Any gremlins with the sync come to the surface when this TV was added to your home theater setups? Should I try to exchange the set? Uniformity and picture quality are satisfactory to me, I'm afraid of getting something with a screen problem if I exchange the tv.
Wouldn't it have to be the receiver, where the HDMI Audio Video is split?

Turn lip sync on under Hardware setup on the Onkyo. Try a power cycle on the AVR - plug out for at least 10 min.

I have a similar set up and lip sync shouldn't need any adjustment on the receiver or the source component.

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Motionflow adds a couple frames of delay. Definitely noticeable. I had to delay the audio in my receiver manually. Some receivers support auto lipsync. Mine doesn't.
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Motionflow adds a couple frames of delay. Definitely noticeable. I had to delay the audio in my receiver manually. Some receivers support auto lipsync. Mine doesn't.
Interesting. Since I have MotionFlow disabled, perhaps that is why I don't notice sync issues.

BTW: The Spears&Munsil test Blu-ray has an excellent sync test that will allow you to assess and correct sync issues.
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Motionflow adds a couple frames of delay. Definitely noticeable. I had to delay the audio in my receiver manually. Some receivers support auto lipsync. Mine doesn't.
Never seen anything like this with motionflow on any setting. And it has nothing to do with my AVR since the X1 going directly into the set also has no sync issues with motionflow.

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Never seen anything like this with motionflow on any setting. And it has nothing to do with my AVR since the X1 going directly into the set also has no sync issues with motionflow.
I'll try a power cycle (unplug) later to see if it helps, thanks for the suggestion. I keep motionflow off 95% of the time (some during sports). The main reason I think it has something to do with the display is because it's the only thing different in my setup. I've had this receiver maybe two years or so, never any problems with the old JVC tv, and now as soon as I put in this Sony, I have sync problems on every input.

BTW, I've kept the Lip Sync feature on in the receiver after toggling it on and off; I haven't noticed any improvement, but it stays on.

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Never seen anything like this with motionflow on any setting. And it has nothing to do with my AVR since the X1 going directly into the set also has no sync issues with motionflow.
There's no way around it. Motionflow has to add delay. It is calculating a frame of video between two other frames of video. So it receives one frame via HDMI, receives a second frame, and then calculates a tween frame that it then inserts between the first and second frame. So it can't display that tween frame until the entire second frame is delivered and stored in the TV. Motionflow adds delay.

You will not notice it unless you use an audio receiver that doesn't do HDMI lip sync correction (the TV tells the receiver how much delay there is between receiving a frame of video and displaying it). I've heard there are issues with getting this to work right, though.

You won't notice it with the TV's speakers. It delays the speaker audio the correct amount. You won't notice it if you use the optical output of the TV (it is delayed by the TV).

But if you use a receiver without HDMI lip sync compensation, it is really far off. I had to delay my receiver's audio by 65ms to match the TV, and I suspect that I didn't delay it enough. But it's close. I'll have to get the Spears Blu-Ray at some point.
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