Originally Posted by mefan101
Do I need lights on in order to have deep black and good uniformity on the W600B? When I turn off the lights, the TV I currently have has luminated blacks (especially when looking at black bars on the screen and when looking at a completely black screen), as if it's not black at all. It looks kinda like a dark grey -almost black- color.
I want a TV that I know will have deep and not bright blacks at night in case I want to watch movie or play games in the dark.
Samsung TVs have higher input lag, even when activating the PC setting.
One more thing. I swear that some color are not what they should be on my current TV. On warm, there are some shades of blue (more specially the darker shades of blue!) that feel should be blue, but look almost lavender-purple-ish. The same with some yellows looking almost green-ish.
For example, when watching some episodes of The Simpsons, the character skin tones look like yellow with a green tint. The same with The Simpsons Movie. Is it supposed to look like that? Note that Reds and greens look great.
I have no way to make the colors accurate. No White Balance.
I swear that my nook has better colors. All blues are blues and all yellows are yellow.
Sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this thread.
I couldn't tell whether the 48R470B was using an IPS or VA panel when I looked at it at Walmart, because the overhead lighting was just too glaring. If it's an IPS panel, then you should get better blacks and contrast ratio (ie brighter whites) by switching to a VA panel like the W600B, W700B, W800B, or even the cheapy 40R380B. If the 48R470B is a VA panel though, then the other Sony VA panels probably won't look much different.
The tradeoff with VA panels is worse angle of view. The 40R380B had terrible AOV, and the other VA panels above probably aren't substantially better. According to rtings, the W800B (and probably W700B) is slightly better than W600B. But both panels lose significant contrast and saturation, and turn more blue at an angle, like the R380B...
So that's my main gripe with the Sonys... lousy AOV.
The 40R380B also had some fairly noticeable uniformity issues, both in its whites and blacks. The 60Hz W600B appears to have better uniformity though, so it would probably be a step up from the R380B in that regard. And it also has better calibration features than either the R380B or R470B, fwtw. The 120Hz W800B also appears to have some minor uniformity issues though (some darkness in the upper corners on whites, and cloudiness in the blacks, based on rtings' pics).
Unfortunately, I haven't really found any LCD panels in my price range that offer a good combination of contrast ratio, angle of view, uniformity and calibration features. It just doesn't seem to be something that exists at this point (unless you like the local dimming implementation on Vizio's M series). I prefer the "glossy look" of some other LCD panels as well, vs. the semi-glossy screens on the Sonys. But the glossy LGs have very poor contrast ratio, and the glossy Samsung 7150 is out of my price range, and also has AOVs issues.
I haven't looked very closely at the W800B, because it's normally well out of my price bracket. If the Fry's deal is still good though, I might possibly be tempted to give it a look. I don't really need/want the 3D though, and suspect the AOV and uniformity issues on that model would be problematic for me (esp. compared to the Samsung 51F5300 plasma, which is my backup plan if I can't find a decent LCD).
I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but if you still have the R470B, you might try plugging in my R380B settings posted here
. I'm about 90% certain the R380B uses a VA panel, based on its poor AOV, and high contrast ratio/deep blacks when viewed from the front. I think those settings might give you about the best colors and contrast on your current R470B TV though, whether its VA or IPS. If you want brighter whites, then leave the LED Motion Mode OFF, and set Power Saving to LOW or OFF, and adjust the Backlight setting to taste.
I also recommend using the HIGH Clear White setting with the WARM Temperature mode. That will probably make the grays/color more uniform on your TV, and give the whites more "pop", which should help some. The black and white clip points (Brightness & Picture/Contrast settings) may also need some adjustment if you're using a full range 0-255 input, rather than a standard 16-235 video source.
I warned you about the 6500K lights btw.
I use a subtle
(ie very low wattage
) ~6500K daylight fill behind my direct-view TVs, which helps a little with the colors. But most of the lighting in my viewing area is still just regular incandescents, which are easier on my eyes. Some well-arranged room lighting is beneficial with just about any direct-view/flat panel TV imo, regardless of whether its plasma, CRT, VA or IPS LCD. The IPS LCDs have the worst black levels though, so it's essential with those imo.
If the 6500K bulbs were too bright, then you might try some regular 15 or 25 watt incandescent bulbs instead, or some LED or fluorescent bulbs with similar brightness (~100 to 200 lumens), if you prefer those.