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Is picture quality between the 600b and 800b worth the 200 dollar difference? Im also interested in the lower input lag of the 800b
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Is picture quality between the 600b and 800b worth the 200 dollar difference? Im also interested in the lower input lag of the 800b
As far as I'm aware, the 610B/630B (they're the EXACT same TV sold under different names) and the 800B are the same TV, except the 800B will do 3D. Both are apparently direct lit, NOT edge-lit (as Sony/Amazon says - they've been wrong about this before, peculiarly).

I'm going to assume the 800B has the same input lag as the 610B/630B. I have the 610B series and it has fantastic input lag of 23ms in Game Mode (I'm very sensitive to this). It's a joy to game on.

The 610B/630B series has been on sale as low as $698 at Fry's, which is how much many of us got the 60" model for.

There is a significant size difference between a 50" and a 60" TV. 44% larger, in fact. A 60" makes a 50" look tiny.

http://www.displaywars.com/50-inch-16x9-vs-60-inch-16x9

So be sure to get a TV that suits you.

FYI, the 600B (i.e. not 610B/630B) is a 60hz native set. Personally, I wouldn't bother unless you don't notice film judder.

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As far as I'm aware, the 610B/630B (they're the EXACT same TV sold under different names) and the 800B are the same TV, except the 800B will do 3D. Both are apparently direct lit, NOT edge-lit (as Sony/Amazon says - they've been wrong about this before, peculiarly).

I'm going to assume the 800B has the same input lag as the 610B/630B. I have the 610B series and it has fantastic input lag of 23ms in Game Mode (I'm very sensitive to this). It's a joy to game on.

The 610B/630B series has been on sale as low as $698 at Fry's, which is how much many of us got the 60" model for.

There is a significant size difference between a 50" and a 60" TV. 44% larger, in fact. A 60" makes a 50" look tiny.

http://www.displaywars.com/50-inch-16x9-vs-60-inch-16x9

So be sure to get a TV that suits you.

FYI, the 600B (i.e. not 610B/630B) is a 60hz native set. Personally, I wouldn't bother unless you don't notice film judder.
Thanks.Any other settings besides just game mode to achieve lower input lag? or a certain hdmi input to try? mine seems to be slower then it should be or maybe im crazy. I have the 48 inch version but was thinking about getting the 800b instead because websites listed it as 23ms and the 600b as 33.9ms. but maybe they werent tested in Game mode
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Thanks.Any other settings besides just game mode to achieve lower input lag? or a certain hdmi input to try? mine seems to be slower then it should be or maybe im crazy. I have the 48 inch version but was thinking about getting the 800b instead because websites listed it as 23ms and the 600b as 33.9ms. but maybe they werent tested in Game mode
Who can say. You'll want to turn off any contrast boosting, Reality Creation, Motionflow or whatever. Turn off anything that could add extra processing time. Other than that, Game Mode. Or get a new TV.
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I just paid 699 for the 50" 800B from Sony website. Cheaper than Amazon shipped
Hi,

Early April got it from Crutchfield for $799 free shipping and no tax. Saw a few weeks later they lowered the price to $699 and gave me the credit. They've since discontinued selling it.

Had the 50w800b for three months now and am so thrilled with it. More than enough time to get over the initial jubilation. Have tweaked the inputs with test patterns. Up converted DVDs outstanding plus my own DVDR recordings from HD stations are yes, softer, but vibrant nevertheless.

Did not purchase for the 3D but have watched many 3D films on free HBO and SHOWTIME on demand and its really a whole new experience. Simulated 3D though not jaw dropping can be very enternaing and does give a natural dimension, especially on golf and nature.
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Hi,

Early April got it from Crutchfield for $799 free shipping and no tax. Saw a few weeks later they lowered the price to $699 and gave me the credit. They've since discontinued selling it.

Had the 50w800b for three months now and am so thrilled with it. More than enough time to get over the initial jubilation. Have tweaked the inputs with test patterns. Up converted DVDs outstanding plus my own DVDR recordings from HD stations are yes, softer, but vibrant nevertheless.

Did not purchase for the 3D but have watched many 3D films on free HBO and SHOWTIME on demand and its really a whole new experience. Simulated 3D though not jaw dropping can be very enternaing and does give a natural dimension, especially on golf and nature.
Yes, the image quality of the 610/630/800/850 really is fantastic. With the nigh certainty that all panels are the same, it's a gem.
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Yes, the image quality of the 610/630/800/850 really is fantastic. With the nigh certainty that all panels are the same, it's a gem.
Hi William,

Was so afraid the bigger screen would bring out the limitations of my DVD collection and recordings. That was not the case though.
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Was so afraid the bigger screen would bring out the limitations of my DVD collection and recordings. That was not the case though.
Glad you're happy. There's really not too much to complain about with these TVs, especially given the price lately.
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Looking at Rtings.com. Looks like it's the year for 4K TVs, mostly. No thanks. I'm happy with my current TV. The Sony R510C replaces the 600B, but it doesn't seem to be as good. It's more of a lower end TV. Some of these new TVs have worse reviews than last year, specifically the top brands. Vizio has improved.

I'm glad I bought the 600B while I still had the chance!
The R series features entry-level Bravias, and the W series is the next level up. W600B's are still available:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL48W600.../dp/B00HPMCO46

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-bra...lack/3418083.p

http://store.sony.com/47.6-diag-w600...ll-Sony-HD-TVs

Reviews from different times are not fairly comparable because test standards/criteria are subject to change over time.

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What is the best backlight setting?
Backlight level should be sufficient to overcome any ambient (room) light, without sacrificing picture contrast/black levels (no "grey-outs").

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Is the difference between 33ms and 23ms input lag actually noticeable?
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Is the difference between 33ms and 23ms input lag actually noticeable?
Depends how sensitive you are to it. If it's 33ms, why not 43ms?

I'm very sensitive and have had TVs with ~45-50ms input lag, and 23ms is night and day better.
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Thanks for your reply. I'm pretty sensitive to it as well. It's a shame that companies don't seem to give a crap about input lag. The most awesome quality picture i've ever seen was the samsung pnf8500 plasma. Holy crap. But it has a 45ms lag and that's when it's set to PC. I can't afford 2 tvs so I have to find a balance between quality and input lag
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Is this normal uniformity for this tv?
Yes, and you probably see a similar display when a black menu is shown. Lack of color is not handled well by some televisions. I guess that's why a blank screen is never used by marketing.

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Does the W800C play MKVs?

Sorry if this has been covered in the previous 75 pages, but I'm wondering if the W800C plays back MKVs from a local media server, and how well it does so.

I'm trying to get rid of my WDTV Live and the Xbox still sucks at playing MKVs.

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Sorry if this has been covered in the previous 75 pages, but I'm wondering if the W800C plays back MKVs from a local media server, and how well it does so.

I'm trying to get rid of my WDTV Live and the Xbox still sucks at playing MKVs.

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Sony Marketing Specs say yes from DNLA and USB.

http://store.sony.com/50-diag.-andro...pfm%3Dcategory
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So my tv is fine then right?
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So my tv is fine then right?
Did your previous 1080p LED LCD flat panel have this issue? If not, perhaps you would be happier with a different brand. But I like the picture on my Sony and, while I see what you see, I accept it as part of a 2014 Sony. I have little else to use for comparison. For what I paid for my 40W600B I am very pleased. I don't game, seldom use the apps, and did a rough calibration. But feel free to shop around. It's a big world out there. What makes you happy is most important. BTW, nothing is perfect. I think.
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My previous TV was a 720p Samsung 27incher I bought in 2007 that had burn in image retention. So this was a step up to say the least. So I don't have a good comparison.
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I'm having an issue with the backlight. I'm trying to match the backlight with the ambient lighting in my room. Even at 2, it seems to high in dark scenes. Either that or it's due to reflections on the screen causing the blacks to look strange. The warm lighting in the room makes the blacks look blue-ish. It makes the blues on the screen more intense as well.

If I wanted to watch movies and play video games in the dark, what would be the proper level for the backlight? 2 or MIN?

Min makes the whites look too dim, even for a dark room with no other light. 2 makes the whites look better but I'm not sure if it's too bright for dark viewing.

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I'm having an issue with the backlight. I'm trying to match the backlight with the ambient lighting in my room. Even at 2, it seems to high in dark scenes. Either that or it's due to reflections on the screen causing the blacks to look strange. The warm lighting in the room makes the blacks look blue-ish. It makes the blues on the screen more intense as well.

If I wanted to watch movies and play video games in the dark, what would be the proper level for the backlight? 2 or MIN?

Min makes the whites look too dim, even for a dark room with no other light. 2 makes the whites look better but I'm not sure if it's too bright for dark viewing.

1. Max out the "Picture" (contrast/black level) setting.
2. Limit the "Brightness" setting to no more than ~50% of full scale.
3. Under "Advanced Settings", max out the "Black Corrector" setting.
4. Set "Backlight" to MIN, and gradually increase to overcome ambient (room) light.

For more info, check pages 29-31 of the relative i-Manual (.pdf, ~3 MB):

https://docs.sony.com/release/KDL-48...-Manual_EN.pdf

If the TV is equipped with an ambient-light sentry, consider activating the relative setting.

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My main issue are the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen when watching a letterbox film. The brightness is set correct. But it seems like the bars arrent black enough. Perhaps the lighting in the room is too dim? It's only a 13 watt bulb that's 870 lumens and 2700K.

Should I be using a brighter bulb or 6500k lighting. There isn't much reflection on the screen. There are pictures blocking the light colored wall behind me. And with that it seems the backlight set at 2 is too high for this light. My lamp is to the left about 5' away from the Tv. The lighting is dimmer as you go closer to the TV.

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So my tv is fine then right?
Did your previous 1080p LED LCD flat panel have this issue? If not, perhaps you would be happier with a different brand. But I like the picture on my Sony and, while I see what you see, I accept it as part of a 2014 Sony. I have little else to use for comparison. For what I paid for my 40W600B I am very pleased. I don't game, seldom use the apps, and did a rough calibration. But feel free to shop around. It's a big world out there. What makes you happy is most important. BTW, nothing is perfect. I think.
I didn't have a 1080p TV before, just a 720p one. It had burn in.
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I didn't have a 1080p TV before, just a 720p one. It had burn in.
I read the post. My meaning was simple. If you are having a problem with your TV get a new one. I see what you see. I don't consider it as a defect. I'm happy. You need to find happy. Go to Best Buy or a Sony store or Walmart and compare models. You can get that white screen by selecting an input with nothing connected. That will need you to select that input as "always" first. There are posts at the earlier parts of this thread with links to reviews also. I don't know what else to suggest.
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My main issue are the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen when watching a letterbox film. The brightness is set correct. But it seems like the bars arrent black enough. Perhaps the lighting in the room is too dim? It's only a 13 watt bulb that's 870 lumens and 2700K.

Should I be using a brighter bulb or 6500k lighting. There isn't much reflection on the screen. There are pictures blocking the light colored wall behind me. And with that it seems the backlight set at 2 is too high for this light. My lamp is to the left about 5' away from the Tv. The lighting is dimmer as you go closer to the TV.
You don't need more ambient light (unless you want to read a book).

The procedures of post 2273 should resolve the black-level issues.

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Hi all,

Is there any preference for the color matrix in the pro settings or is leaving it in "auto" preferable?
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Hi guys, I picked up an 850B yesterday and have a concern. The only issue I have noticed thus far is some backlight bleed in thee corners. It extends out about 5 inches or so. On certain brighter scenes I can see the blotches of backlight bleed. Is this normal? My fear is that this TV is discontinued. I picked up the last one at Frys (I think). Unless I were to try and warranty it, I dont think I can exchange.

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Is there any reason I shouldn't turn on automatic updates on the w800b?
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Is there any reason I shouldn't turn on automatic updates on the w800b?
Probably not. I does increase power and network activity, but not by any measurable amount. I have it off since I want to do the updates when my network is not busy. I'm using the built-in wireless, and have 10 other devices using wireless.
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