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I wonder why Samsung designate the new Topline Series different in the US and Europe, our HU85XX is your HU9000. Any suggestion about that.
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I don't think it can be done.
Why would Samsung design it that way arhhhh!
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When you watched NFL network, did the news ticker at the bottom ever blur on you? I tried updating my judder (5) setting but still have the same periodic blur. Also happens on other channels with a ticker...ESPN, CNN. I have DirecTV.
Try setting film mode to auto 2.
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No ticker should judder at all. Did you set blur 10, judder 5?.
Video processing in an AVR can cause judder. Turn it off.
Didn't have access to a remote, but the ticker went across the screen flawlessly.

When they were showing the nfl studio, picture looked great. But when they showed some eagles camp footage, it looked grainy. So using less quality of a camera there. I will want to go neck for more top watch more sports clips.
I'm worried about some of the early reports on this model of motion and judder issues.

And of possible, check out other sources like blu Ray and 3d, if it's setup
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Didn't have access to a remote, but the ticker went across the screen flawlessly.

When they were showing the nfl studio, picture looked great. But when they showed some eagles camp footage, it looked grainy. So using less quality of a camera there. I will want to go neck for more top watch more sports clips.
I'm worried about some of the early reports on this model of motion and judder issues.

And of possible, check out other sources like blu Ray and 3d, if it's setup
tbh, I think the majority of motion problems are a result of 3 things -
  • AVR processing conflicting with TV process. Easy fix for this is to disable all AVR processing. This seems to be the one most people have and don't realize.
  • Improper motion/judder settings. Finding the right combo of reducing SOE + smooth motion is a bit of a hassle, but as mentioned blur 10 judder 5 is the best combo of smooth motion + reduced SOE, imo. Some people use blur 10 judder 0.
  • poor source material. This is particularly a problem with TV signals. Low quality film grade + highly compressed signals can have judder that no video processor can completely eliminate. Maybe other sets such as sony can handle this more gracefully??

Katz from cnet tested the motion handling on the HU9000 (which is slightly better than the 8550), and rated it as excellent and as good as any other set he's tested.

The only place I see occasional judder is live TV, and that is typically with crap content. Sports and most first-rate content is judder free. Also, all blu-rays and downloaded content are judder free.

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As good as HU9000 is, I'm still baffled that it won't support 23.976Hz and 59.94Hz refresh rates - all Sonys and Pannys I've had for the past 10 years supported these refresh rates.

Yes, speeding up the media to 24.000 and 60.000 with Reclock works fine, but only if the audio is not bitstreamed to AVR - and I bitstream almost everything to AVR. I guess I could try software audio decoding.
Wow, first time I have heard about this from a new LCD model.
I don't own a HU9000 but is on my consideration list. Currently using a Vizio Razor M551d for my HTPC. I've had some issues with my Onkyo receiver messing up reclock detection for refresh rates. After running directly to my TV from my my Nvidia card, the refresh rate detection issue went away. Have you tried hooking your video card directly to your TV to see if that improves anything or created a custom resolution? Not being able to display at 23.976Hz or close to that would probably remove this set from my consideration list.
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Wow, first time I have heard about this from a new LCD model.
I don't own a HU9000 but is on my consideration list. Currently using a Vizio Razor M551d for my HTPC. I've had some issues with my Onkyo receiver messing up reclock detection for refresh rates. After running directly to my TV from my my Nvidia card, the refresh rate detection issue went away. Have you tried hooking your video card directly to your TV to see if that improves anything or created a custom resolution? Not being able to display at 23.976Hz or close to that would probably remove this set from my consideration list.
I'm doing some more testing as it may be the RAdeon card in my primary HTPC playing it up. I have tried the HU9000 on my secondary PC with NVIDIA card, and it seems the TV will support 23.976 after all, though it took 5 seconds of "No Signal" floating on the screen before it showed the picture. I haven't tried watching any video yet, but will report back when I find out more. Hopefully it's just a bad combination of components at my end, and the TV will support the /1001 refresh rates after all. Fingers crossed.
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Has anyone figured out how to zoom in an hdmi picture on a hu9000?? I hate those black lines.
Under Picture settings there is a setting called Picture Size I think. Setting it to 16:9 will overscan your HDMI signal. Setting it to "Fit Screen" will fit it 1:1. My TV had the 16:9 overscan by default, so this was the first setting I looked up and changed to fit.
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seems to be another firmware been released today in the uk for our the version of the hu9000 (hu8500t) can't test it as i need to get a windows pc....samsung support mac, but the firmware number seems to have gone backwards T-NT14UDEUC_1007.5 28th july and T-GFP9DEUC_1150.6 21st july. whats all this about any one know?
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I'm doing some more testing as it may be the RAdeon card in my primary HTPC playing it up. I have tried the HU9000 on my secondary PC with NVIDIA card, and it seems the TV will support 23.976 after all, though it took 5 seconds of "No Signal" floating on the screen before it showed the picture. I haven't tried watching any video yet, but will report back when I find out more. Hopefully it's just a bad combination of components at my end, and the TV will support the /1001 refresh rates after all. Fingers crossed.
That's good to know. I did find it strange that it didn't support the refresh rate for you, yet the windows display properties lets you select both 23 Hz and 59 Hz directly. The display properties only lets you select from refresh rates your TV supports by default, so that to me made me assume it supported it just fine.

It wasn't until I checked the manual out of curiosity to see if I was wrong... and the manual doesn't list it. But, it could just be an omission. I'd trust what the computer is reporting over what the manual says.
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85 inch 16:9 Set 65 inch 16:9 Set
4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode [71.0% larger] 4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode

Your viewing area is 55.6 in(w) x 41.7 in(h)
Total viewing area is 2318.52 sq in.
This is the equivalent of a 69.5 inch 4:3 TV



Your viewing area is 42.5 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1355.75 sq in.
This is the equivalent of a 53.1 inch 4:3 TV

16:9 (1.78:1) native mode [70.8% larger] 16:9 (1.78:1) native mode

Your viewing area is 74.1 in(w) x 41.7 in(h)
Total viewing area is 3089.97 sq in.
This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV



Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1808.73 sq in.
This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV

16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode [71.3% larger] 16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode

Your viewing area is 74.1 in(w) x 40.1 in(h)
The diagonal size is 84.3 in
Total viewing area is 2971.41 sq in.
Total area is 118.6 sq in. (3.8%) smaller than 1.78:1



Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 30.6 in(h)
The diagonal size is 64.4 in
Total viewing area is 1735.02 sq in.
Total area is 73.7 sq in. (4.1%) smaller than 1.78:1

16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode [70.8% larger] 16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode

Your viewing area is 74.1 in(w) x 31.5 in(h)
The diagonal size is 80.5 in
Total viewing area is 2334.15 sq in.
Total area is 755.8 sq in. (24.5%) smaller than 1.78:1



Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 24.1 in(h)
The diagonal size is 61.6 in
Total viewing area is 1366.47 sq in.
Total area is 442.3 sq in. (24.5%) smaller than 1.78:1
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85 inch 16:9 Set 65 inch 16:9 Set
4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode [71.0% larger] 4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode

Your viewing area is 55.6 in(w) x 41.7 in(h)
Total viewing area is 2318.52 sq in.
This is the equivalent of a 69.5 inch 4:3 TV



Your viewing area is 42.5 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1355.75 sq in.
This is the equivalent of a 53.1 inch 4:3 TV

16:9 (1.78:1) native mode [70.8% larger] 16:9 (1.78:1) native mode

Your viewing area is 74.1 in(w) x 41.7 in(h)
Total viewing area is 3089.97 sq in.
This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV



Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1808.73 sq in.
This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV

16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode [71.3% larger] 16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode

Your viewing area is 74.1 in(w) x 40.1 in(h)
The diagonal size is 84.3 in
Total viewing area is 2971.41 sq in.
Total area is 118.6 sq in. (3.8%) smaller than 1.78:1



Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 30.6 in(h)
The diagonal size is 64.4 in
Total viewing area is 1735.02 sq in.
Total area is 73.7 sq in. (4.1%) smaller than 1.78:1

16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode [70.8% larger] 16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode

Your viewing area is 74.1 in(w) x 31.5 in(h)
The diagonal size is 80.5 in
Total viewing area is 2334.15 sq in.
Total area is 755.8 sq in. (24.5%) smaller than 1.78:1



Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 24.1 in(h)
The diagonal size is 61.6 in
Total viewing area is 1366.47 sq in.
Total area is 442.3 sq in. (24.5%) smaller than 1.78:1
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I'm doing some more testing as it may be the RAdeon card in my primary HTPC playing it up. I have tried the HU9000 on my secondary PC with NVIDIA card, and it seems the TV will support 23.976 after all, though it took 5 seconds of "No Signal" floating on the screen before it showed the picture. I haven't tried watching any video yet, but will report back when I find out more. Hopefully it's just a bad combination of components at my end, and the TV will support the /1001 refresh rates after all. Fingers crossed.
Cool. I hope it works out for you.
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Hopefully one of the owners of these TV's can do a test for some of us. If you have an XBOX One and/or PS4 could you play some games on it and maybe make a video and upload it to Youtube. I thank you in advance for your time if you do. Curious about the performance of the new consoles on these TV's

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Hopefully one of the owners of these TV's can do a test for some of us. If you have an XBOX One and/or PS4 could you play some games on it and maybe make a video and upload it to Youtube. I thank you in advance for your time if you do. Curious about the performance of the new consoles on these TV's
What specifically do you wonder about? Input lag? Around 62ms for a PC-named input with the HU9000 (or HU8500 as it's named in Europe).
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so does anyone actually have an 85 in their home yet?
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General consensus needed.

Does everything you watch on your 4k set look better than your old best set you had?

I'm a big yes. And my best set was a f8000 55".

Until I threw em the curve.
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Under Picture settings there is a setting called Picture Size I think. Setting it to 16:9 will overscan your HDMI signal. Setting it to "Fit Screen" will fit it 1:1. My TV had the 16:9 overscan by default, so this was the first setting I looked up and changed to fit.
Yea that does not work when you are using an hdmi cable which I think is ridiculous, I wonder if I buy the new samsung bluray player maybe I can zoom on the player rather than the tv, any guesses?
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Yea that does not work when you are using an hdmi cable which I think is ridiculous, I wonder if I buy the new samsung bluray player maybe I can zoom on the player rather than the tv, any guesses?
Most bluray players (at least my Sony does) have a Pan & Scan mode which does what you are talking about but I don't know that it works on Blurays, might be DVDs only. Likely depends on the player though; Zooming in on the picture would drive me way more nuts than black bars ever could because it cuts off the left and right side of the picture. I personally want to see everything, but I hear what you are saying.

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Most bluray players (at least my Sony does) have a Pan & Scan mode which does what you are talking about but I don't know that it works on Blurays, might be DVDs only. Likely depends on the player though; Zooming in on the picture would drive me way more nuts than black bars ever could because it cuts off the left and right side of the picture. I personally want to see everything, but I hear what you are saying.
Yea I just don't see why samsung decided to do it that way now, my previous samsung was able to zoom in just fine and the new LG tv also seems to do it without a problem.
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General consensus needed.

Does everything you watch on your 4k set look better than your old best set you had?

I'm a big yes. And my best set was a f8000 55".

Until I threw em the curve.
Both my F9000 and HU8550 beat the UN65F8000 I had before at 95% of the content I view. The only thing my F8000 really won at was a few of the poorer broadcast 1080i cable channels and most of the SD channels (which I don't watch). Only reason for that is the shear amount of pixels SD has to be stretched to vs the 1080p it had to be upconverted to.

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What specifically do you wonder about? Input lag? Around 62ms for a PC-named input with the HU9000 (or HU8500 as it's named in Europe).
That and to see how it looks. Yeah I know in person would be better but I don't have that option.

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so does anyone actually have an 85 in their home yet?
I know 3 people who will next week Hopefully they will post there opinions.....
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed or attempted by any other members, but I figured i'd share. I found http://vp.samsungrebate.com and tried to submit the claim for my 55" 8550 hoping it'd get accepted despite not being a curved display.

Today I received an email stating "Your rebate entry has been validated! Your Samsung UHD Video Pack will deliver in the next 1-2 weeks. " I did check the fine print, and the following models are eligible:

UN55HU9000
UN65HU9000
UN78HU9000
UN55HU8700
UN65HU8700
UN50HU8550
UN55HU8550
UN60HU8550
UN65HU8550
UN75HU8550
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UN60HU8500
UN65HU8500
UN75HU8500
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed or attempted by any other members, but I figured i'd share. I found http://vp.samsungrebate.com and tried to submit the claim for my 55" 8550 hoping it'd get accepted despite not being a curved display.

Today I received an email stating "Your rebate entry has been validated! Your Samsung UHD Video Pack will deliver in the next 1-2 weeks. " I did check the fine print, and the following models are eligible:

UN55HU9000
UN65HU9000
UN78HU9000
UN55HU8700
UN65HU8700
UN50HU8550
UN55HU8550
UN60HU8550
UN65HU8550
UN75HU8550
UN50HU8500
UN55HU8500
UN60HU8500
UN65HU8500
UN75HU8500
UN85HU8550
That's very interesting because just this weekend I had an extended chat with a rep at www.samsung.com because the page for the UN85HU8850 claims it comes with the video pack but there were no details and the link just re-directed you back to the same page. So i wanted to get the details. The rep insisted that the ONLY way to get the video pack free with the 8550 was the order from samsung.com and that the rebate only applied to the HU9000. I went back and forth with him about 3-4 different ways to make sure there was zero room for misunderstanding and to force the rep to claim he had checked with supervisors and the rep absolutely insisted that if I bought the 8550 at a store I was ineligible for the rebate.

So the Samsung rep was lying.

Not surprising.
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Yea that does not work when you are using an hdmi cable which I think is ridiculous, I wonder if I buy the new samsung bluray player maybe I can zoom on the player rather than the tv, any guesses?
Weird, I use HDMI cable (what else can you use, really?) at 1080p and it worked exactly as I described it. 16:9 mode by default overscaned, Fit to screen brought it back to 1:1. Maybe it's different on a 4K signal?
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That's very interesting because just this weekend I had an extended chat with a rep at www.samsung.com because the page for the UN85HU8850 claims it comes with the video pack but there were no details and the link just re-directed you back to the same page. So i wanted to get the details. The rep insisted that the ONLY way to get the video pack free with the 8550 was the order from samsung.com and that the rebate only applied to the HU9000. I went back and forth with him about 3-4 different ways to make sure there was zero room for misunderstanding and to force the rep to claim he had checked with supervisors and the rep absolutely insisted that if I bought the 8550 at a store I was ineligible for the rebate.

So the Samsung rep was lying.

Not surprising.


I heard the same thing from them....but the terms and conditions (below) do not make any reference on buying direct from Samsung and also include all models, not just the 78hu9000 as indicated on the web site.

*Eligible Models: UN55HU9000, UN65HU9000, UN78HU9000, UN55HU8700, UN65HU8700, UN50HU8550, UN55HU8550, UN60HU8550, UN65HU8550, UN75HU8550, UN50HU8500, UN55HU8500, UN60HU8500, UN65HU8500, UN75HU8500, UN85HU8550 ?

This offer is only good for product purchases made between April 27, 2014 and September 5, 2014 and limited to the original end consumer only. Samsung is not responsible for late, lost, damaged or misdirected mail. All claims must be received within 30 days of purchase. Claim forms received after the program closing date will not be honored. Claims from dealers / distributors, retailers, or warehouse facilities, groups or organizations will not be honored. It is illegal to submit multiple requests for the same individual or family. Offer void where taxed, prohibited or restricted by law. Offer good only in the USA. Please allow 10 to 12 weeks for delivery. Samsung reserves the right to audit any claims, request additional information regarding this claim and to nullify any claims, which cannot be substantiated. Samsung reserves the right to provide an alternate model. Visit VP.samsungrebate.com for further promotion eligibility dates. Quantities are limited. While supplies last.

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I'm not sure if this has been discussed or attempted by any other members, but I figured i'd share. I found http://vp.samsungrebate.com and tried to submit the claim for my 55" 8550 hoping it'd get accepted despite not being a curved display.

Today I received an email stating "Your rebate entry has been validated! Your Samsung UHD Video Pack will deliver in the next 1-2 weeks. " I did check the fine print, and the following models are eligible:

UN55HU9000
UN65HU9000
UN78HU9000
UN55HU8700
UN65HU8700
UN50HU8550
UN55HU8550
UN60HU8550
UN65HU8550
UN75HU8550
UN50HU8500
UN55HU8500
UN60HU8500
UN65HU8500
UN75HU8500
UN85HU8550
I was about to fill out the form again but checked my email and I received confirmation too
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Came home today to find my 65/8500 constantly rebooting when I turned it on. It shows my FIOS TV as being on, but the SmartHub menu is onscreen and so is the mic icon. After 30 seconds or so, the TV reboots and the exact same thing happens in a never ending loop. I have the TV unplugged from power for the last 5 minutes or so. I think I am going to return it to Costco on Saturday. Between this an an incurable lip sync issue, I'm very frustrated with the set. I do LOVE the picture quality. So I'm debating on swapping it out for the same unit or trying something else. I can get any Sony 4k for half off until 8/16 because my son in law works at Best Buy and it is a promotion going on right now. Decisions...Decisions....
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