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I really wish I had a crystal ball to tell me if 4k is even going to matter in the next 3-5 years. If not I would get the F8000. Sounds like the features are all about the same except the F8000 has lower input lag on it now apparently. And I am a gamer. I also will be getting a 65" and sit about 12 ft away when watching movies/tv. I also have heard that the new Vizios are supposed to be great but I just don't think I can trust vizio's picture quality. Unless they really changed everything.
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I really wish I had a crystal ball to tell me if 4k is even going to matter in the next 3-5 years. If not I would get the F8000. Sounds like the features are all about the same except the F8000 has lower input lag on it now apparently. And I am a gamer. I also will be getting a 65" and sit about 12 ft away when watching movies/tv. I also have heard that the new Vizios are supposed to be great but I just don't think I can trust vizio's picture quality. Unless they really changed everything.

4K is taking off pretty fast actually. Things will really pick up once the Blu Ray association gets things together. The only thing really holding UHD back is that most people cant see a difference from a normal seating distance. The fact of the matter is, most people aren't even getting the full benefits of 1080p. 4K just isn't enough difference for most people.

UHD really has to be more than just a resolution bump. HDR and wider color gamut should be standard on all new UHD TVs.
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How much of a difference in input lag will there be between this and the F8000?

In all honesty, I've been gaming on a 1440p monitor for almost 6 months now (60hz) with a GTX 760 (getting around 40fps) and have never experienced visual abnormalities like ghosting or tearing. I'm no videophile, so unless these 4k sets are a "stay away" for gamers; count me in!

I also am anticipating the Seiki 65" pro release. That set looks good! I have a gut feeling that, for the price, you're gonna get one heck of a deal! We will see!

Vizio is an "out" for me. I don't feel like waiting around until the end of year for P to be released. Plus, I just don't trust them due to having a set with bad main board experience (the norm?!)

Anyhow, I hope we see the 65" come out at or below 3.5k this would be a nice price for this set, if not even lower. Probably will watch it for a few weeks and get some user feedback first.

Does anyone have any idea if a normal 1080p BD would be upscaled (with appropriate BD player/software) to 4k on this set? This would be a nice feature! If not does anyone speculate PQ being better at 1080p than say a F8000?
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The 2014 Smart Hub is only slightly different to 2013 compared to the jump from 2012 to 2013.

There is now a Games panel instead of social media.

There is an air type remote.

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I recently read that the UN55HU8550 comes with a slot to plug the one-connect box into but you would have to purchase the box in addition to the tv.  I believe the price is approximately $300.

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I recently read that the UN55HU8550 comes with a slot to plug the one-connect box into but you would have to purchase the box in addition to the tv.  I believe the price is approximately $300.

I wish Samsung would clear this up because the One Connect situation seems to be confusing everyone. Just to help everyone out:

- HU8550 (2014 model): Does not require One Connect and does not ship with it. The input jacks (including HDMI 2.0) are built into the TV. The One Connect jack is for future upgrades (similar to the yearly evolution kit).

- HU9000 Curved (2014 model): Requires One Connect and is included with the TV. The HU9000 does not have built in inputs. One Connect is the only way to connect your devices. Like the HU8550, the HU9000 has support for future One Connect box's.

- F9000 (2013 model): The F9000 came with the 2013 version of One Connect. However, the 2013 One Connect did not have HDMI 2.0 support. The only way F9000 owners can get HDMI 2.0 support is by buying the 2014 version of One Connect (same one that comes with the HU9000) for $300.

- S9 (2013 model): Same situation as the F9000. Owners of the S9 (there must not be very many considering its a $40000 TV) can buy the 2014 One Connect box to get HDMI 2.0 support.

Samsung is also selling a UHD Media Pack that is compatible with all Samsung UHD TVs (2013 and 2014).

Hope that clears things up for anyone confused.


Long Story Short: If you buy the HU8550 you do not need the One Connect box sense everything is already built right into the TV.
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The Samsung UN65HU8550FXZA price has dropped to $3270.

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I wish Samsung would clear this up because the One Connect situation seems to be confusing everyone. Just to help everyone out:

- HU8550 (2014 model): Does not require One Connect and does not ship with it. The input jacks (including HDMI 2.0) are built into the TV. The One Connect jack is for future upgrades (similar to the yearly evolution kit).

- HU9000 Curved (2014 model): Requires One Connect and is included with the TV. The HU9000 does not have built in inputs. One Connect is the only way to connect your devices. Like the HU8550, the HU9000 has support for future One Connect box's.

- F9000 (2013 model): The F9000 came with the 2013 version of One Connect. However, the 2013 One Connect did not have HDMI 2.0 support. The only way F9000 owners can get HDMI 2.0 support is by buying the 2014 version of One Connect (same one that comes with the HU9000) for $300.

- S9 (2013 model): Same situation as the F9000. Owners of the S9 (there must not be very many considering its a $40000 TV) can buy the 2014 One Connect box to get HDMI 2.0 support.

Samsung is also selling a UHD Media Pack that is compatible with all Samsung UHD TVs (2013 and 2014).

Hope that clears things up for anyone confused.


Long Story Short: If you buy the HU8550 you do not need the One Connect box sense everything is already built right into the TV.

Personally, I'm confused as to why they had the HU9000 require the OC box. I think it's rather silly to hamstring their top-tier panel with a potentially limiting "feature". Just build the inputs in and let customers decide whether they want it or not.

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The Samsung UN65HU8550FXZA price has dropped to $3270.

Where are you seeing this price?  What are the "FXZA" character to represent on this part number?

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Does anyone have any info on the release date for the UN75H8550? No one seems to have a 4k panel larger than 65" being released in April.
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Where are you seeing this price?  What are the "FXZA" character to represent on this part number?

Did we ever find out where that reduced price was listed? I'm still seeing $3999.99 when I look.
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Did we ever find out where that reduced price was listed? I'm still seeing $3999.99 when I look.
Agreed.

Oh, here it is....BE CAREFUL! Not exactly an authorized Samsung dealer. If you can get a reputable place to price match this, you are my hero.

http://www.macmall.com/p/Samsung-Video/product~dpno~9993583~pdp.igageaf

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So I just headed out to see if Best Buy happened to have the new 9000 on display, but no such luck. The magnolia guys and gals seemed to not even know it existed or that it was coming. They did tell me that the HH Greg across the street had a curved OLED of some sort (turned out to be the LG model) and that I could check there. I headed over and was pleasantly surprised to see that they had the new UH8550 on display! Not the 9000 that I wanted to see, but it was still cool to see one of the new models. They told me that the Samsung rep would be there in two weeks to install the new curved 9000.

Another interesting thing to note is that when I told the sales guy that I was having a hard time deciding between buying either one 65-inch H9000 for my bedroom or 2 55-inch F9000s - one for the bedroom and another for a man-cave at the new house (in the event of the rumored $500 priced top I've read about here kicking in tomorrow, the total price would be $5000 either way I went), he mentioned that he thought that he could no longer order the 55-inch F9000...I had him look it up and sure enough, it said discontinued in his system. I'm hoping that's just an HH Greg thing, as I'm starting to warm up to the idea of getting two (albeit smaller) 4K TVs for the price of one...
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You should post a link to this info.
Look at my post above. Ever getting it from them at that price is highly suspect.

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So I just headed out to see if Best Buy happened to have the new 9000 on display, but no such luck. The magnolia guys and gals seemed to not even know it existed or that it was coming. They did tell me that the HH Greg across the street had a curved OLED of some sort (turned out to be the LG model) and that I could check there. I headed over and was pleasantly surprised to see that they had the new UH8550 on display! Not the 9000 that I wanted to see, but it was still cool to see one of the new models. They told me that the Samsung rep would be there in two weeks to install the new curved 9000.

Another interesting thing to note is that when I told the sales guy that I was having a hard time deciding between buying either one 65-inch H9000 for my bedroom or 2 55-inch F9000s - one for the bedroom and another for a man-cave at the new house (in the event of the rumored $500 priced top I've read about here kicking in tomorrow, the total price would be $5000 either way I went), he mentioned that he thought that he could no longer order the 55-inch F9000...I had him look it up and sure enough, it said discontinued in his system. I'm hoping that's just an HH Greg thing, as I'm starting to warm up to the idea of getting two (albeit smaller) 4K TVs for the price of one...

How about that, I had the exact same experience Friday night. Went to BB looking for info inf on the new 65" 9000. Samsung guy was their but he was no help. I left there and went to HH Greg and saw the 55" 8550.
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Look at my post above. Ever getting it from them at that price is highly suspect.

Thanks, did not see it in time.
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So I just headed out to see if Best Buy happened to have the new 9000 on display, but no such luck. The magnolia guys and gals seemed to not even know it existed or that it was coming. They did tell me that the HH Greg across the street had a curved OLED of some sort (turned out to be the LG model) and that I could check there. I headed over and was pleasantly surprised to see that they had the new UH8550 on display! Not the 9000 that I wanted to see, but it was still cool to see one of the new models. They told me that the Samsung rep would be there in two weeks to install the new curved 9000.

Another interesting thing to note is that when I told the sales guy that I was having a hard time deciding between buying either one 65-inch H9000 for my bedroom or 2 55-inch F9000s - one for the bedroom and another for a man-cave at the new house (in the event of the rumored $500 priced top I've read about here kicking in tomorrow, the total price would be $5000 either way I went), he mentioned that he thought that he could no longer order the 55-inch F9000...I had him look it up and sure enough, it said discontinued in his system. I'm hoping that's just an HH Greg thing, as I'm starting to warm up to the idea of getting two (albeit smaller) 4K TVs for the price of one...

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How about that, I had the exact same experience Friday night. Went to BB looking for info inf on the new 65" 9000. Samsung guy was their but he was no help. I left there and went to HH Greg and saw the 55" 8550.

It's coming next week. Keep in mind, not everyone in the store knows every TV that's coming in every week. There will probably be 10 models a week coming in during the next 2 months.

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How was the HU8550?  What was the price?  Below MSRP?

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Does anyone have any info on the release date for the UN75H8550? No one seems to have a 4k panel larger than 65" being released in April.

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Samsung’s U8550 UHD TV (flat) - Samsung’s U8550 UHD TV delivers incredible life-like UHD picture quality and is packed with exceptional Smart TV capabilities. With Samsung’s proprietary UHD Dimming, the Samsung U8550 adjusts brightness to deliver deeper blacks and brighter whites producing a crystal clear picture experience. The Samsung U8550 UHD TV will be available from March in a 55” model for $2,999.99 and a 65” model for $3,999.99. The 50” ($2,499.99), 60” ($3,499.99) and 75” ($5,999.99) models will be released in May.

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How was the HU8550?  What was the price?  Below MSRP?

They only had the 55-inch model on display out on the floor, and it was listed as costing $2999.99, so basically the full current UPP that Samsung is selling it for on its website. They had it hooked up to their store feed instead of the 4K USB-based demo reel that I'm accustomed to seeing on these 4K sets, and it looked absolutely terrible, just like it did on every other TV in the store, lol! I believe that the sales guy's exact words were "It's hooked up to a single DTV cable box that is run through 5 different other splitters and devices and then hooked up via component, so yeah(!) it look so Ike absolute sh*t". The set that they have on display (it's been there for two days according to the rep) also had a bright stuck pixel it the upper-left area of the screen (I'm sure just an issue with this one set, but cruddy to see the first time that if I finally get to see a 2014 4K set from Samsung).

The sales guy was nice enough to hook the 65-inch F9000 up to the same store feed for me so that I could compare, and although they all looked like crap, the 8550 looked better than the F9000 by a noticeable amount. This may be because it has a better up scaler or may just be because the F9000 was 10 inches bigger. I'm anxious to see the 8550 running a better feed so I can really see the differences between the two.

Other than that, I will say that the 8550 looks a lot better in person than I though that it would. I read the weight went down and was afraid that would translate somehow into a lot more cheap plastic being put on the set, but it really is a nice looking device. I also got the play around with the new remote, and have to say that the new mouse-curser controls work really we'll once you get them calibrated. It looks like they dropped the camera from this model, so I'm not sure what tech they are using to track the remote movements but it seemed to be fairly precise. The smart hub seems very similar to last year's, but hey - if it ain't broke...right?!?

Honestly, I walked away still having no idea how this thing would look sitting in my own house due to the cruddy feed, so perhaps someone else that has seen this set had a better experience and can chime in. I really wish I had had the opportunity to see it running a cable feed more like what I have at the house (Xfinity X1 platform with built-in 1080P up-scaler that makes broadcast TV look SO much better on my 8000-series LED) or a blu-Ray or something like that. I'd also like to know what the input lag on this set is like in "PC mode", as I read the new 9000 runs around 61ms and the reviewer was attributing some of that to the non-defeat-able depth-enhancing processing that this set doesn't have (so you'd think that this one might be a little better), but details on that seem to be scarce at the moment...
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They only had the 55-inch model on display out on the floor, and it was listed as costing $2999.99, so basically the full current UPP that Samsung is selling it for on its website. They had it hooked up to their store feed instead of the 4K USB-based demo reel that I'm accustomed to seeing on these 4K sets, and it looked absolutely terrible, just like it did on every other TV in the store, lol! I believe that the sales guy's exact words were "It's hooked up to a single DTV cable box that is run through 5 different other splitters and devices and then hooked up via component, so yeah(!) it look so Ike absolute sh*t". The set that they have on display (it's been there for two days according to the rep) also had a bright stuck pixel it the upper-left area of the screen (I'm sure just an issue with this one set, but cruddy to see the first time that if I finally get to see a 2014 4K set from Samsung).

The sales guy was nice enough to hook the 65-inch F9000 up to the same store feed for me so that I could compare, and although they all looked like crap, the 8550 looked better than the F9000 by a noticeable amount. This may be because it has a better up scaler or may just be because the F9000 was 10 inches bigger. I'm anxious to see the 8550 running a better feed so I can really see the differences between the two.

Other than that, I will say that the 8550 looks a lot better in person than I though that it would. I read the weight went down and was afraid that would translate somehow into a lot more cheap plastic being put on the set, but it really is a nice looking device. I also got the play around with the new remote, and have to say that the new mouse-curser controls work really we'll once you get them calibrated. It looks like they dropped the camera from this model, so I'm not sure what tech they are using to track the remote movements but it seemed to be fairly precise. The smart hub seems very similar to last year's, but hey - if it ain't broke...right?!?

Honestly, I walked away still having no idea how this thing would look sitting in my own house due to the cruddy feed, so perhaps someone else that has seen this set had a better experience and can chime in. I really wish I had had the opportunity to see it running a cable feed more like what I have at the house (Xfinity X1 platform with built-in 1080P up-scaler that makes broadcast TV look SO much better on my 8000-series LED) or a blu-Ray or something like that. I'd also like to know what the input lag on this set is like in "PC mode", as I read the new 9000 runs around 61ms and the reviewer was attributing some of that to the non-defeat-able depth-enhancing processing that this set doesn't have (so you'd think that this one might be a little better), but details on that seem to be scarce at the moment...

It literally just set. Have some patience.

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It's coming next week. Keep in mind, not everyone in the store knows every TV that's coming in every week. There will probably be 10 models a week coming in during the next 2 months.

Good to know...I'm anxious to see that one actually up and running. I was a little shocked that 5 different employees (3 Magnolia, one store manager, and one guy at the Samsung booth) didn't know anything about it, but yeah - with "TV Season 2014" just now heating up, I can imagine that they've got a lot to keep track of, LOL! I should cut them some slack!

A little off-topic, but does anyone on here happen to know if Best Buy ever offers financing longer than 18 months anymore on TVs (like if I buy 2 55-inch F9000s, 2 55-inch H8550s, or 1 65-inch H9000)? I've got a couple of other options that would offer a longer interest-free period and didn't know if anyone had any recent experiences where BB/Magnolia Center could do better than the 18 months, as I would prefer to give them my business as usual.
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Just got home after a visit to Value Electronics special event.  They had a nice display of the latest TVs, Hi-Res Audio and a very cool 4K theater.  I believe they had the 65" HU8550 on display.  The only reason I can't be 100% sure is that they had so many new high end TVs that I was overwhelmed with the gorgeous images all around the store.  But I think Rob Zohn brought me a napkin and told me I was drooling on his new 65" HU8550, but it may have been one of the other 4K TVs.  I was on a/v overload.

 

The OLED's and the 4K theater were the show stoppers for me.  Three OLED models were on display all super assume.   The Hi-Res audio was so real and accurate that I thought Santana and his band were performing in the room.

 

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Ok. I found this review.
http://www.hdtvvs.com/samsung-un65hu8550-vs-un65f9000/

It seems a little light on details (doesn't even mention that the 8550 does not come with oneconnect) but states that the picture between the F9000 and HU8550 are identical.

If I am to believe this, then I would purchase the F9000 because:
A. I can have it now.
B. I would like the integrated camera
C. I will upgrade to the 2014 smart features, which I would have to buy anyway, because I want the oneconnect as all my components are in a rack with a cable run through the wall (only 1 new cable to run).
D. I don't want curved as it is wall-hung.

But, do I believe the review????

All these features I mention are not nearly as important to me a pic quality!

Anyone else with thoughts?

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Ok. I found this review.
http://www.hdtvvs.com/samsung-un65hu8550-vs-un65f9000/

It seems a little light on details (doesn't even mention that the 8550 does not come with oneconnect) but states that the picture between the F9000 and HU8550 are identical.

If I am to believe this, then I would purchase the F9000 because:
A. I can have it now.
B. I would like the integrated camera
C. I will upgrade to the 2014 smart features, which I would have to buy anyway, because I want the oneconnect as all my components are in a rack with a cable run through the wall (only 1 new cable to run).
D. I don't want curved as it is wall-hung.

But, do I believe the review????

All these features I mention are not nearly as important to me a pic quality!

Anyone else with thoughts?

Kt

 

keitht looks like the HU8550 is now available, see my post above yours. 

 

Also on your comments,

 

A.  You can have the HU8550 now

 

B.  I like the auxiliary camera for a few reasons.  You can move it to show your caller different parts of the room, people and objects.  And you don't have to worry about anyone hacking into your built in camera and microphone

 

C.  If you buy the HU8550 you get HDMI 2.0 and if I remember correctly the HU8550 had the media box.  Just saw it today.

 

D.  The HU8550 is flat, just like the F9000

 

I suggest going to see the HU8550 before you buy.

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keitht looks like the HU8550 is now available, see my post above yours. 

Also on your comments,

A.  You can have the HU8550 now

B.  I like the auxiliary camera for a few reasons.  You can move it to show your caller different parts of the room, people and objects.  And you don't have to worry about anyone hacking into your built in camera and microphone

C.  If you buy the HU8550 you get HDMI 2.0 and if I remember correctly the HU8550 had the media box.  Just saw it today.

D.  The HU8550 is flat, just like the F9000

I suggest going to see the HU8550 before you buy.

Where do you see it available? I have been waiting...

...and assuming I upgrade to the 2014 one connect, I would still get hdmi 2.0, correct?
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I was at an a/v event at Value Electronics, which is a high end a/v retailer near you.  Yes, you get HDMI 2.0 with the upgrade box, but I always worry about using an older panel in regard to all of the changes in UHD, like color space, 60fps etc.  Can the older panel refresh 60 times per second with 3,840 x 2,160p resolution?

 

Why not play it safe and get the latest UHD TV.

 

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I was at an a/v event at Value Electronics, which is a high end a/v retailer near you.  Yes, you get HDMI 2.0 with the upgrade box, but I always worry about using an older panel in regard to all of the changes in UHD, like color space, 60fps etc.  Can the older panel refresh 60 times per second with 3,840 x 2,160p resolution?

Why not play it safe and get the latest UHD TV.

Greg

Hi Greg.

Care to share the retailer? Middle they have the 2014 samsungs? 8550 and 9000? I would go tomorrow if I can have a look for myself! Honestly I worry, that in the end, I may prefer the F9000 and it is no longer available. My fear is that the HU9000 is the true upgrade to the F9000 and the 8550 is inferior to both. In that case I am screwed because I don't want curved.

On a separate note, (probably a post for a different section), I don't know what to do about the fact that whatever receiver I buy today does not handle hdmi 2.0... And am having a hell of a time finding reviews of recievers that are critical to video processing. Leaning towards denon x3000.

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Sorry... You did mention value electronics... Missed it. I will give them a call tomorrow!
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Hi Greg.

Care to share the retailer? Middle they have the 2014 samsungs? 8550 and 9000? I would go tomorrow if I can have a look for myself! Honestly I worry, that in the end, I may prefer the F9000 and it is no longer available. My fear is that the HU9000 is the true upgrade to the F9000 and the 8550 is inferior to both. In that case I am screwed because I don't want curved.

On a separate note, (probably a post for a different section), I don't know what to do about the fact that whatever receiver I buy today does not handle hdmi 2.0... And am having a hell of a time finding reviews of recievers that are critical to video processing. Leaning towards denon x3000.

Kt

How is the 8550 going to be inferior to both?  Please explain.

 

There are several receivers which will be in retail stores in April that have HDMI 2.0 with 4k/60hz.  Onkyo, Yamaha and Pioneer will all be available in April.

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