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If the hu9000 is proven 8 bit, I think that means the 2015 JS tvs are also 8 bit because imo they are the same panels.

Some might remember but samsung had some fine print about the JS models being 10 bit at 1st on samsung.com but removed it after like a month or so.
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The js9500 shows 8

HU8550 shows 8


new Ks9500 shows 10


Why do I only count 6?
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Further to my earlier post acknowledging @player 's post pointing out that it would appear that there were 2 panels that came across the assembly line for his 65" HU8700 -- both an 8-BIT and a 10-BIT -- and my research leads me to believe their was only a single 10-BIT panel released for the 65" HU9000 (see my previous post).

But hang on to your hats boys and girls -- there were also two different panels issued for the 55" HU9000 -- both an 8-BIT that has been discontinued and a 10-BIT as evidenced below...



I would submit that whomever at Samsung is saying that the HU9000 series were delivered with 8-BIT panels are partly right. SOME of the HU series were initially delivered with an 8-BIT panel.

Isn't this what we have been saying all along?!!
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Further to my earlier post acknowledging @player 's post pointing out that it would appear that there were 2 panels that came across the assembly line for his 65" HU8700 -- both an 8-BIT and a 10-BIT -- and my research leads me to believe their was only a single 10-BIT panel released for the 65" HU9000 (see my previous post).

But hang on to your hats boys and girls -- there were also two different panels issued for the 55" HU9000 -- both an 8-BIT that has been discontinued and a 10-BIT as evidenced below...



I would submit that whomever at Samsung is saying that the HU9000 series were delivered with 8-BIT panels are partly right. SOME of the HU series were initially delivered with an 8-BIT panel.

Isn't this what we have been saying all along?!!


Hu9000 was always known as 10 bit. It was all the other models that were split, particularly the hu8550
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Hu9000 was always known as 10 bit. It was all the other models that were split, particularly the hu8550
Ahh, but as you can see TVserviceParts.com indicates that there was also an early DISCONTINED 8-BIT panel for the 55" HU9000.

No biggie but now Scott Wilkinson is reporting that Samsung is claiming a "typographical error" and that the HU9000 series use 8-BIT panels and that the only way to know for sure is to trust Samsung or take the panel apart with the aid of somebody with the proper training and equipment to provide an analysis.

Read all about it here...

https://www.avsforum.com/determining-...nel-bit-depth/

Scott is even claiming that the SPSN video produced by Samsung is a "mistake".

A pity that some of us have to waste our valuable time proving a false unsourced claim that has now manifested itself to the front page of AVS Forum... yet again.

Read the comments attributed to this article and you will learn that Mr. Wilkinson is even having these parts sites change the panel description information on their websites as we speak.
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The DVD lense I had was just to small so I said screw it and took the best Macro shot I could with My S7 EDGE. To me they look the same as JS9500




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Hey @player002 just to comment on part of what you posted over on the "Determining Display-Panel Bit Depth" thread pertaining to your HU8700 let me post a price comparison of your panel versus the discontinued part number here...

  • BN95-01379B 65HU8700 10-BIT $1,690.00 *
  • BN96-30713A 65HU8700 8-BIT $1,131.49 - Discontinued

Kinda suspicious that Scott is claiming this is a typo (from an unnamed source) if the panel in your TV costs over $550 dollars more than the discontinued panel if they were both 8-BIT eh?!!!



FYI, SamsungParts.com isn't the only site listing the HU panels in our sets as 10-BIT.

Just to add to that here is a price check comparing the 2014 65HU9000 (without quantum dots) to the same sized 2015 65JS9000...

  • BN95-01379A 65HU9000 10-BIT $1,971.60 *
  • BN95-01961B 65JS9000 10-BIT $2,095.60

Pretty close in price eh and both are listed as TS01's which to the best of my recollection and research never replaced a discontinued HU9000 panel on the flagship model.

Perhaps gives us an idea of what the cost of quantum dots might add to the price of a panel. Either that or us HU9000 owners got seriously ripped off for an 8-BIT panel.

So are we now to believe that those items marked with a red asterisk (as well as other sizes) on multiple unrelated parts websites are merely just a "typo" along with a confused Product Expert who would presumably be working alongside the engineers before being thrust in front of the cameras on an SPSN video promoting the HU9000 and answering questions submitted in advance?


Here's a typo for ya --> Bullshlt
I think you should post that in the thread Minus the Bull**** part lol
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Can I throw a wrench in this mix? I've got a 65" US02, and I've always had banding issues on nearly every source I toss at it, rec2020 content included... and yet I know there are some that take screenshots of the same source and theirs look majestic. I'm beginning to think that each of our sets are just hand built and frankenstein'd together at random.
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I think you should post that in the thread Minus the Bull**** part lol
Hey, that's a lower case "L" not an "i".

Like yourself I wasted too much time in the "HDR Capable Display" thread to squander away any more time on this nonsense, being called names, having to report posts, having people writing Samsung, dealing with posts starting with "a tech at Samsung told me" while trying to prove something well documented on multiple parts sites and with Samsungs own SPSN video when they along with Scotts support are now trying to explain it all away as "clerical error".

Notice he has yet to comment on the HU8700 8-Bit versus 10-bit pictures you posted from SamsungParts.com showing the discontinued 8-bit panel and the 10-bit replacement panel which cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars more (see thumbnail).

FYI I have discovered the replacement panel for the HU8700 shares the exact same panel ID (except for the last letter) as a 10-bit panel built for the HU9000 that coincidentally costs just about the same as same sized JS9000 panel as I posted earlier.

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Can I throw a wrench in this mix? I've got a 65" US02, and I've always had banding issues on nearly every source I toss at it, rec2020 content included... and yet I know there are some that take screenshots of the same source and theirs look majestic. I'm beginning to think that each of our sets are just hand built and frankenstein'd together at random.










My reaction to panel being 8 bits when it's the Hu8700 has same panel as Js series as provided by EDID of both Tv's
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Scott got them to change Hu9000 panel to 8 bits. The revision of that Panel (Same number But B) that is in my set and the JS line is still listed @ 10 bits. What's going on?
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Can I throw a wrench in this mix? I've got a 65" US02, and I've always had banding issues on nearly every source I toss at it, rec2020 content included... and yet I know there are some that take screenshots of the same source and theirs look majestic. I'm beginning to think that each of our sets are just hand built and frankenstein'd together at random.
So I just checked your panel on samsung parts There is not bits listed not even 10 bits this could explain ur banding. I dunno do other Us02 panel owners have this problem?
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

The 65 inch Ts01 has been changed to 8 bits too
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

55 inch is still listed @ 10 bits http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN55HU9000FXZA

Scott knows that the 8 bit open cell versions of the panels never shipped right? I am pretty sure about that.
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It is with great sadness that I am parting with my UN78HU9000 via buyback.

Samsung did not have the UN78JS9500's available for ECR exchanges/ replacements so I decided to take a buyback on the display, Sek-3500U ocb, and uhd hard drive pk 2.

Now, its time to decided between the XBR75X940D and 78JS9500,

I will not consider the KS9800 as it does not have 3D and I have a large investment into the technology, and media.

I actually really really enjoyed the curve after being so against it initially.
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It is with great sadness that I am parting with my UN78HU9000 via buyback.

Samsung did not have the UN78JS9500's available for ECR exchanges/ replacements so I decided to take a buyback on the display, Sek-3500U ocb, and uhd hard drive pk 2.

Now, its time to decided between the XBR75X940D and 78JS9500,

I will not consider the KS9800 as it does not have 3D and I have a large investment into the technology, and media.

I actually really really enjoyed the curve after being so against it initially.
I have seen the 78 js9500 its awesome and so immersive the curve makes a differnce on huge models IMO .. Get 78 js9500
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I have seen the 78 js9500 its awesome and so immersive the curve makes a differnce on huge models IMO .. Get 78 js9500
@ + $1200 USD Difference. ??


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It is with great sadness that I am parting with my UN78HU9000 via buyback.

Samsung did not have the UN78JS9500's available for ECR exchanges/ replacements so I decided to take a buyback on the display, Sek-3500U ocb, and uhd hard drive pk 2.

Now, its time to decided between the XBR75X940D and 78JS9500,

I will not consider the KS9800 as it does not have 3D and I have a large investment into the technology, and media.

I actually really really enjoyed the curve after being so against it initially.
If you don't mind me asking --- how did your buyback process go? I'm having serious envy issues over sets without this horrible banding and although this is my only real complaint... I want to claim that their lies about set bit depth have mislead me and I'm wondering if that will pass...
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@ + $1200 USD Difference. ??


Aint nuttin but money!

The sony has much better black levels and controls bloom significantly better. So it's up you how important that is. The only thing the js9500 has is 3 more inches and the curve. I do agree that after having a curved tv and sitting dead center, I would prefer curved over flat.
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If you don't mind me asking --- how did your buyback process go? I'm having serious envy issues over sets without this horrible banding and although this is my only real complaint... I want to claim that their lies about set bit depth have mislead me and I'm wondering if that will pass...
they nickel and dime you, even after sending the reciepts they disect it more, and verify individual paid price after bundled discounts.

they fought me on the uhd drive, the sek3500u, and even the glasses that i bought extra.

it was painful, some care some don't. they tell you one thing with promise then complete the sentence with but.....we dont have any, even though they are on our website to purchase.

it took a little over 45 days or so, and I do feel cheated a bit because you cannot purchase a 9 series with 3d for $6k unless you wait for more closeout activity.


their processes need serious attention, everything from their app samsungsupport to their executive services office need work. their employees need coaching in providing excellence in customer service, and they should

always find a way to keep a customer on team SAMSUNG. The further you live from civilization, the more likely you are to get a refund / replacement.

Its sad they couldnt find a person to do a panel replacement in my DMA. If what you want is a 2 year newer display then I would say your odds are very good with a little time / persistence.

I would have been perfectly happy with a 78JS9500, regardless of how good the 940D reviews, or the vizio as well. I "was" team samsung....perhaps key word is was.


one cool note: when they do finalize your buyback they download an app to your smart hub and you enter your routing / account info for a direct deposit ....

Oh wait, i dreamed that it was that easy. In reality it was a PIA and the link is below!

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I really don't think we have 10 bit panels in the HU or the JS because side by side there isn't much of a PQ difference except brightness and maybe a little more color saturation between the two. If the JS were 10 bit wouldn't we see more colors? Or maybe the HU and JS are 10 bit?

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I really don't think we have 10 bit panels in the HU or the JS because side by side there isn't much of a PQ difference except brightness and maybe a little more color saturation between the two. If the JS were 10 bit wouldn't we see more colors? Or maybe the HU and JS are 10 bit?
So either most HU9000 owners got a 10-bit panel (but now some unnamed source at Samsung wants to deny it) or all JS owners got an 8-bit panel. OMG.


As far as the HU9000, I believe with the exception of the 55" model that came out in both an 8-bit discontinued part and a 10-bit replacement part the rest of us can safely say the odds are we have a 10-bit panel as neither the 65" or 78" inch models ever had a listing for more than one part number and, up until recently, were advertised on all parts websites as 10-bit until Scott Wilkinson started having them change the description data. Since when does he work for Samsung?


Here is a screen shot showing the two different part numbers rolled out for the UN55HU9000...



As a matter of fact, the original price for the discontinued 8-bit panel above was $698.62 versus $1,260.00 for the 10-bit replacement panel. No small change eh?!!

In a similar manner the HU8700 that @player002 owns had two versions of the panel produced for it -- player has the part advertised as the 10-bit version based on the photo he took of the label on the inside of his telly.
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they nickel and dime you, even after sending the reciepts they disect it more, and verify individual paid price after bundled discounts.

they fought me on the uhd drive, the sek3500u, and even the glasses that i bought extra.

it was painful, some care some don't. they tell you one thing with promise then complete the sentence with but.....we dont have any, even though they are on our website to purchase.

it took a little over 45 days or so, and I do feel cheated a bit because you cannot purchase a 9 series with 3d for $6k unless you wait for more closeout activity.

their processes need serious attention, everything from their app samsungsupport to their executive services office need work. their employees need coaching in providing excellence in customer service, and they should

always find a way to keep a customer on team SAMSUNG. The further you live from civilization, the more likely you are to get a refund / replacement.

Its sad they couldnt find a person to do a panel replacement in my DMA. If what you want is a 2 year newer display then I would say your odds are very good with a little time / persistence.

I would have been perfectly happy with a 78JS9500, regardless of how good the 940D reviews, or the vizio as well. I "was" team samsung....perhaps key word is was.

one cool note: when they do finalize your buyback they download an app to your smart hub and you enter your routing / account info for a direct deposit ....

Oh wait, i dreamed that it was that easy. In reality it was a PIA and the link is below!

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No brainer.

Based on the fact that Samsung has claimed for almost two years now on various parts websites and more importantly on a SPSN Live video where their representative is quoted as saying that the HU9000 "has a 10-bit panel" then I would go with the SONY XBR75X940D.

Not only is that a much newer model than the JS9500 at least SONY has never deceived me and had me waste days of my life trying to determine fact from fiction!!!

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No brainer.

Based on the fact that Samsung has claimed for almost two years now on various parts websites and more importantly on a SPSN Live video where their representative is quoted as saying that the HU9000 "has a 10-bit panel" then I would go with the SONY XBR75X940D.

Not only is that a much newer model than the JS9500 at least SONY has never deceived me and had me waste days of my life trying to determine fact from fiction!!!
Complain ok, but nobody other than Samsung has offered a way to update your TV set with out buying a new set.
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So I just checked your panel on samsung parts There is not bits listed not even 10 bits this could explain ur banding. I dunno do other Us02 panel owners have this problem?
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

The 65 inch Ts01 has been changed to 8 bits too
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

55 inch is still listed @ 10 bits http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN55HU9000FXZA

Scott knows that the 8 bit open cell versions of the panels never shipped right? I am pretty sure about that.
I have a UN65HU9000 US02 panel and I have noticed very little banding. When I do it seems to be do to the source material.

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Complain ok, but nobody other than Samsung has offered a way to update your TV set with out buying a new set.
I wasn't complaining, I was just stating why I would buy the newer 2016 SONY TV rather than the 2015 JS9500 which may never see a SEK released for it.

BTW, instead of critiquing my post, why not respond to the OP offering your suggestion?

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Are we getting our knickers too bunched up in a knot over 8-bit versus 10-bit?

Here is an interesting article from rtings.com who lays out their methodology for determining bit depth...

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/movie...ient?uxtv=18f0



Check out the attached thumbnail from the JS9500 manual that lists the Color Depth / Chroma Samplings breaking it down to 8, 10, and 12 bit.

As @player002 has pointed out EDID results for the HU series along with AVR display screens indicate they are capable of 10 and 12 bit as well.

Rtings "consider 8-bit with dithering to be equivalent to 10-bit, as long as the 10-bit gradient looks smooth".

Seems that the recent generation 8bit + HI FRC are doing a great job and all pass the 10-bit pattern and concluded that the JS9500 achieves 10-bit with a score of 9.0 and an overall score of 8.0

I see zero banding on my HU9000 when playing HDR content from my UBD-K8500 UHD Blu-ray Player and have therefore given it the same score.
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I wasn't complaining, I was just stating why I would buy the newer 2016 SONY TV rather than the 2015 JS9500 which may never see a SEK released for it.

BTW, instead of critiquing my post, why not respond to the OP offering your suggestion?
Not criticizing you or your post intentionally. Just pointing out that the evolutionary TV concept was a great idea, even if Samsung had problems with the execution and with customer support. As for alternatives, I'd probably be looking at the new Vizios in terms of performance and value.

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Not criticizing you or your post intentionally. Just pointing out that the evolutionary TV concept was a great idea, even if Samsung had problems with the execution and with customer support. As for alternatives, I'd probably be looking at the new Vizios in terms of performance and value.
Yep but a key qualifier is that @nc88keyz has a large investment in 3D blu-rays so that really limits his choices.
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The problem with trying to find the bit depth with EDID or any other electronic method is that you are going to get a result back indicating what the panel and the electronics associated with it are capable of accepting. I really don't know any other sure way to determine bit depth except from the manufacturer or opening up the panel, I guess.

At the end of the day, I like my 8 bit HU9000 regardless!

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