**Official Samsung UHD Curved UNxxHU9000 Owners Thread ** - Page 336 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 3086Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #10051 of 10282 Old 05-03-2016, 05:17 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
Quote:
Originally Posted by galonzo View Post
Hey guys, just posted where I'm at for my 10pt cal over in the Sammy calibration thread (so as not to clog up this thread with cal discussion). I figure we discuss over there, and of course, publish all results here.
I post HU9000 with Original OCB in this Forum, and with SEK-3500U, in the SEK-3500U Forum.
galonzo likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)
p5browne is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #10052 of 10282 Old 05-04-2016, 01:45 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
May 3, 2016: No SEK-3500u installation - FW 1300.3

Calibration Results: Samsung UN65HU9000 - November 2014 build. GFP9 Chipset US02 Panel
Calman 5.7.0 b Build # 2332 Beta i1Display Pro (C3) profiled off i1Pro 2 Version E
Radiance XE-3D Pattern Source

dEAvg: 0.21 CCT Avg: 6525 dEMax: 0.85 Gamma: 2.32 Nits: 93.8 Color: dEAvg: 0.89 dEMax: 2.52


Cal Night (can be used in Movie Mode)

Backlight: 8
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0
Colour: 50
Tint: 50/50

Gamma: 0
Warm2
SmartLED: Standard
AMP: Off
UHD Colour: HDMI 4 (Auto), !, 2 and 3 Off
Audio: HD On

White Balance 2 Point: R / G / B Offsets: Gains

-12 / -10 / -12 : 0 / 0 / +1

Service Menu: R / G / B Offsets : Gains

120 120 128 : 128 128 148

10 Point with Color Space on Custom Color: R / G / B

10%: +18 / +30 / +5
20%: -7 / +6 / -6
30%: 0 / 0 / 0
40%: +6 / +6 / +6
50%: +3 / +3 / +8
60%: -2 / 0 / +6
70%: -5 / -3 / +4
80%: -4 / -2 / +3
90%: 0 / 0 / +2
100%: 0 / 0 / 0

Colour Space: Calibrated Custom Color R / G / B
Red: 48 / 1 / 2
Green: 5 / 46 / 5
Blue: 0 / 4 / 42
Yellow: 50 / 47 / 6
Cyan: 5 / 46 / 48
Magenta: 45 / 5 / 43

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off

Notes: Before changing any values in the Service Menu, write down the Original Values!
If accidently arriving on the SM ADC HDMI Calibration, use the MENU key to backout. DO NOT Use the Left or Right Keys!!
Set to All Sources - Check your Inputs and Modes and change their settings if Samsung missed.
(This means the Apps, TV, USB, etc other Inputs and Modes)

Remember, my UN65HU9000, my room and lighting conditions. Calibrated in a darkened room.
joe_blow_xbox likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)

Last edited by p5browne; 05-04-2016 at 02:20 PM.
p5browne is offline  
post #10053 of 10282 Old 05-04-2016, 07:48 PM
Newbie
 
joe_blow_xbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by p5browne View Post
May 3, 2016: No SEK-3500u installation - FW 1300.3

Calibration Results: Samsung UN65HU9000 - November 2014 build. GFP9 Chipset US02 Panel
Calman 5.7.0 b Build # 2332 Beta i1Display Pro (C3) profiled off i1Pro 2 Version E
Radiance XE-3D Pattern Source

dEAvg: 0.21 CCT Avg: 6525 dEMax: 0.85 Gamma: 2.32 Nits: 93.8 Color: dEAvg: 0.89 dEMax: 2.52


Cal Night (can be used in Movie Mode)

Backlight: 8
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0
Colour: 50
Tint: 50/50

Gamma: 0
Warm2
SmartLED: Standard
AMP: Off
UHD Colour: HDMI 4 (Auto), !, 2 and 3 Off
Audio: HD On

White Balance 2 Point: R / G / B Offsets: Gains

-12 / -10 / -12 : 0 / 0 / +1

Service Menu: R / G / B Offsets : Gains

120 120 128 : 128 128 148

10 Point with Color Space on Custom Color: R / G / B

10%: +18 / +30 / +5
20%: -7 / +6 / -6
30%: 0 / 0 / 0
40%: +6 / +6 / +6
50%: +3 / +3 / +8
60%: -2 / 0 / +6
70%: -5 / -3 / +4
80%: -4 / -2 / +3
90%: 0 / 0 / +2
100%: 0 / 0 / 0

Colour Space: Calibrated Custom Color R / G / B
Red: 48 / 1 / 2
Green: 5 / 46 / 5
Blue: 0 / 4 / 42
Yellow: 50 / 47 / 6
Cyan: 5 / 46 / 48
Magenta: 45 / 5 / 43

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off

Notes: Before changing any values in the Service Menu, write down the Original Values!
If accidently arriving on the SM ADC HDMI Calibration, use the MENU key to backout. DO NOT Use the Left or Right Keys!!
Set to All Sources - Check your Inputs and Modes and change their settings if Samsung missed.
(This means the Apps, TV, USB, etc other Inputs and Modes)

Remember, my UN65HU9000, my room and lighting conditions. Calibrated in a darkened room.
Simple question. Can you install the Korean fw on a US TV and have it work in English as expected? The latest US FW is 1290.4 and the latest Samsung Korean FW is 1300.3



Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
joe_blow_xbox is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #10054 of 10282 Old 05-04-2016, 08:01 PM
Advanced Member
 
CyberScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 598
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
Liked: 150
Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_blow_xbox View Post
Simple question. Can you install the Korean fw on a US TV and have it work in English as expected? The latest US FW is 1290.4 and the latest Samsung Korean FW is 1300.3



Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
Yes, it will show up in English.
joe_blow_xbox likes this.

LG OLED65C9PUA; Denon AVR-X4500H, 7.2.4 ATMOS
LG OLED55C6P, Denon AVR-X6300H also rocking 7.2.4 ATMOS goodness!
Samsung UN65HU9000FXZA (TS01) with SEK-3500U/ZA Evolution Kit, Onkyo TX-RZ1100
CyberScott is offline  
post #10055 of 10282 Old 05-04-2016, 10:13 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
Quote:
Originally Posted by p5browne View Post
May 3, 2016: No SEK-3500u installation - FW 1300.3

Calibration Results: Samsung UN65HU9000 - November 2014 build. GFP9 Chipset US02 Panel
Calman 5.7.0 b Build # 2332 Beta i1Display Pro (C3) profiled off i1Pro 2 Version E
Radiance XE-3D Pattern Source

dEAvg: 0.21 CCT Avg: 6525 dEMax: 0.85 Gamma: 2.32 Nits: 93.8 Color: dEAvg: 0.89 dEMax: 2.52


Cal Night (can be used in Movie Mode)

Backlight: 8
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0
Colour: 50
Tint: 50/50

Gamma: 0
Warm2
SmartLED: Standard
AMP: Off
UHD Colour: HDMI 4 (Auto), !, 2 and 3 Off
Audio: HD On

White Balance 2 Point: R / G / B Offsets: Gains

-12 / -10 / -12 : 0 / 0 / +1

Service Menu: R / G / B Offsets : Gains

120 120 128 : 128 128 148

10 Point with Color Space on Custom Color: R / G / B

10%: +18 / +30 / +5
20%: -7 / +6 / -6
30%: 0 / 0 / 0
40%: +6 / +6 / +6
50%: +3 / +3 / +8
60%: -2 / 0 / +6
70%: -5 / -3 / +4
80%: -4 / -2 / +3
90%: 0 / 0 / +2
100%: 0 / 0 / 0

Colour Space: Calibrated Custom Color R / G / B
Red: 48 / 1 / 2
Green: 5 / 46 / 5
Blue: 0 / 4 / 42
Yellow: 50 / 47 / 6
Cyan: 5 / 46 / 48
Magenta: 45 / 5 / 43

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off

Notes: Before changing any values in the Service Menu, write down the Original Values!
If accidently arriving on the SM ADC HDMI Calibration, use the MENU key to backout. DO NOT Use the Left or Right Keys!!
Set to All Sources - Check your Inputs and Modes and change their settings if Samsung missed.
(This means the Apps, TV, USB, etc other Inputs and Modes)

Remember, my UN65HU9000, my room and lighting conditions. Calibrated in a darkened room.
With the new calibration techniques applied, this has made the Original OCB look VERY watchable!
galonzo likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)
p5browne is offline  
post #10056 of 10282 Old 05-06-2016, 06:54 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
HU9000 + SEK calibration now posted on the SEK-3500U Forum.

Next up JS Mod calibraton.

One thing about the Original OCB, logging into the Samsung account, ALWAYS works, AND the Smart Hub Self Diagnosis ALWAYs works. Something has been messed up in the FW since Spring 2015! Doesn't appear to be a Samsung priority, despite tons of clients calling and using up support time trying to fix an unfix-able. Clients are told Samsung knows about the issue, and will have a fix out shortly - ahem - going on towards 2 years!

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)

Last edited by p5browne; 05-07-2016 at 09:19 AM.
p5browne is offline  
post #10057 of 10282 Old 05-06-2016, 07:42 PM
Lionheart of AVS
 
King Richard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Greenstone, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1797 Post(s)
Liked: 4367
Quote:
Originally Posted by p5browne View Post
With the new calibration techniques applied, this has made the Original OCB look VERY watchable!

Are you're black levels INKY now????




Richard
King Richard is offline  
post #10058 of 10282 Old 05-07-2016, 12:22 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Richard View Post
Are you're black levels INKY now????




Richard
During the day. Just black ink at night. But definitely FAR better than when the set was first purchased !
My JU7100 is Blacker. But I don't watch it that much. Wife's set.
King Richard likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)
p5browne is offline  
post #10059 of 10282 Old 05-07-2016, 12:51 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 5,505
Mentioned: 193 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4533 Post(s)
Liked: 5532
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Richard View Post
Are you're black levels INKY now????




Richard
Richard, I got a new LG E6 OLED and the blacks are so inky that I had to get a new prescription for my glasses!
King Richard likes this.

John
Sony 55A1E, A9F / LG 55OLEDC8
Marantz 7012, Ohm Walsh Speakers
Klein K10-A, Jeti 1501, Murideo Six-G Gen2
Calman Ultimate, ISF Level III Certified
jrref is online now  
post #10060 of 10282 Old 05-07-2016, 04:38 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrref View Post
Richard, I got a new LG E6 OLED and the blacks are so inky that I had to get a new prescription for my glasses!
And he spilled some on the carpet and can't get it out. Wife not happy now!
CPTuell and King Richard like this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)
p5browne is offline  
post #10061 of 10282 Old 05-07-2016, 07:57 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 5,505
Mentioned: 193 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4533 Post(s)
Liked: 5532
Quote:
Originally Posted by p5browne View Post
And he spilled some on the carpet and can't get it out. Wife not happy now!
Right, nothing gets OLED ink out of the carpet lol
King Richard likes this.

John
Sony 55A1E, A9F / LG 55OLEDC8
Marantz 7012, Ohm Walsh Speakers
Klein K10-A, Jeti 1501, Murideo Six-G Gen2
Calman Ultimate, ISF Level III Certified
jrref is online now  
post #10062 of 10282 Old 05-10-2016, 12:18 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
For SEK-3500U fence sitters, Musician has graciously posted his spread sheet re SEK benefits:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post43919762
Musician likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)

Last edited by p5browne; 05-10-2016 at 02:51 PM.
p5browne is offline  
post #10063 of 10282 Old 05-12-2016, 11:12 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
FW Update for HU9000 + Original OCB

Fw # 1322

Re-calibrating tonight to see if any changes re the Meter!

Will do Nit test to see if it has - Previously 374 now 371.3 with 100% Full Screen.

Just watching the HU9000 + Original OCB + FW # 1322 = WOW! (Pseudo HDR!)

http://www.samsung.com/ca/support/model/UN65HU9000FXZC
joe_blow_xbox likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)

Last edited by p5browne; 05-13-2016 at 10:39 PM.
p5browne is offline  
post #10064 of 10282 Old 05-13-2016, 10:40 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
HU9000 + Original OCB + FW # 1322

May 14, 2016: No SEK-3500u installation - FW 1322.0

Calibration Results: Samsung UN65HU9000 - November 2014 build. GFP9 Chipset US02 Panel
Calman 5.7.0 Build # 2341 Beta i1Display Pro (C3) profiled off i1Pro 2 Version E
Radiance XE-3D Pattern Source

dEAvg: 0.13 CCT Avg: 6498 dEMax: 0.34 Gamma: 2.33 Nits: 91.6 Color: dEAvg: 0.85 dEMax: 2.16

MAX Nits: Previously 374 with new FW Update 371.3

Cal Night (can be used in Movie Mode)

Backlight: 8
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0
Colour: 50
Tint: 50/50

Gamma: 0
Warm2
SmartLED: Standard
AMP: Off
UHD Colour: HDMI 4 (Auto), !, 2 and 3 Off
Audio: HD On

White Balance 2 Point: R / G / B Offsets: Gains

-10 / -8 / -12 : -1 / 0 / +2

Service Menu: R / G / B Offsets : Gains

120 120 128 : 128 128 148

10 Point with Color Space on Custom Color: R / G / B

10%: +16 / +38 / +13
20%: -10 / +4 / -5
30%: 0 / 0 / 0
40%: +4 / +4 / +6
50%: +4 / +2 / +10
60%: -3 / -1 / +7
70%: -5 / -2 / +4
80%: -2 / -2 / +3
90%: -1 / 0 / +2
100%: 0 / 0 / 0

Colour Space: Calibrated Custom Color R / G / B
Red: 48 / 1 / 2
Green: 6 / 46 / 5
Blue: 0 / 5 / 42
Yellow: 51 / 48 / 7
Cyan: 5 / 46 / 48
Magenta: 45 / 5 / 43
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off

Notes: Before changing any values in the Service Menu, write down the Original Values!
If accidently arriving on the SM ADC HDMI Calibration, use the MENU key to backout. DO NOT Use the Left or Right Keys!!
Set to All Sources - Check your Inputs and Modes and change their settings if Samsung missed.
(This means the Apps, TV, USB, etc other Inputs and Modes)


Remember, my UN65HU9000, my room and lighting conditions. Calibrated in a darkened room. (Always more than 1/2 hour after sunset.)
THEBIGWET likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)

Last edited by p5browne; 05-14-2016 at 07:40 AM.
p5browne is offline  
post #10065 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 12:29 PM
Advanced Member
 
Larry Rosenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 557
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 458 Post(s)
Liked: 336
Amazon HDR via SEK 3500/K8500 too dark

I've now had the opportunity to view Amazon HDR titles via my Samsung K8500 through the SEK 3500 to my Samsung 65HU9000 (also on my brand new 2016 LG43UH6100 and the same applies to that system). I prefer the non-HDR versions in every case (non-HDR is available on the TV app and my Roku 4). Simple reason is that the HDR versions are too dark. They may or may not be "more colorful," but the general lack of brightness makes the titles almost unwatchable in some cases and too dim in all cases.

So, since my primary source of HDR video is so far only Amazon, is it the panel not achieving a high enough level of brightness (nits?), it not being 10 bits (if indeed it isn't, I know there is a debate about that) - or is it Amazon? I've watched a couple of 4k/HDR Blue-rays and "Mad Max," in particular was stunning. But even these Blu-rays did seem a tad dimmer than others, although that may be due to my "BD-Wise" setting.

But the point is, for a technology that is supposed to extend contrast and provide a brighter white and a darker black, I'm just not seeing it. 4K non-HDR continues to look awesome on both of my 4K TVs (the LG 43UH6100 being the other). I mean truly awesome and I don't wanna' spoil the HDR party, but what could be the problem here? Do I really need to buy new top of the line 2016 TVs to experience it, or what? Thanks for your thoughts.
THEBIGWET likes this.
Larry Rosenberg is offline  
post #10066 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 12:51 PM
Member
 
THEBIGWET's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Posts: 176
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 189 Post(s)
Liked: 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Rosenberg View Post
I've now had the opportunity to view Amazon HDR titles via my Samsung K8500 through the SEK 3500 to my Samsung 65HU9000 (also on my brand new 2016 LG43UH6100 and the same applies to that system). I prefer the non-HDR versions in every case (non-HDR is available on the TV app and my Roku 4). Simple reason is that the HDR versions are too dark. They may or may not be "more colorful," but the general lack of brightness makes the titles almost unwatchable in some cases and too dim in all cases.

So, since my primary source of HDR video is so far only Amazon, is it the panel not achieving a high enough level of brightness (nits?), it not being 10 bits (if indeed it isn't, I know there is a debate about that) - or is it Amazon? I've watched a couple of 4k/HDR Blue-rays and "Mad Max," in particular was stunning. But even these Blu-rays did seem a tad dimmer than others, although that may be due to my "BD-Wise" setting.

But the point is, for a technology that is supposed to extend contrast and provide a brighter white and a darker black, I'm just not seeing it. 4K non-HDR continues to look awesome on both of my 4K TVs (the LG 43UH6100 being the other). I mean truly awesome and I don't wanna' spoil the HDR party, but what could be the problem here? Do I really need to buy new top of the line 2016 TVs to experience it, or what? Thanks for your thoughts.
Try putting your Gamma on + 2 and your Dynamic contrast on Medium. Change it while you are watching the content you consider to be too dark. The Gamma + 2 is for all HDR content. Activating Dynamic Contrast in the Rec 709 era was a major NO NO but it appears in the 4K UHD HDR era with HDR10 it might be REQUIRED. Try it out and let me know what you think and if possible list your picture settings please.
galonzo likes this.

UN65JS9500\FXZA TS01, LG OLED 65 C7P, Chromecast Ultra, Roku Ultra, Apple TV 4K,, NVIDIA Shield Android TV 2015, UBD K-8500, OPPO UDP 203, XBOX One X, PS4 Pro, Nintendo Switch, Wii U, PS VR, Oculus Rift, ALIENWARE AREA 51 R2, i7 5820K @ 4.4 GHz, Corsair Dominator Platinum 40 GBytes Quad @ 3000 MHz, ASUS Rog Strix 1080 Ti, Yamaha RX-A2080, Klipsch Reference 5.1.4 Atmos.
THEBIGWET is offline  
post #10067 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 12:56 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
Try turning the BDWise Off. If the set was calibrated with it On, unfortunately the turning it Off will affect the calibration.
Watching the Grays Peak HDR Video clip on my HU9000 + SEK, even with JS Mod, when you get to the creek scene, it's kind of hard seeing everything. Playing the same clip on my new JU7100, the creek scene is brighter, and with a lot more detail. But between the HU + SEK and the JU - there's about 20% brightness difference.
THEBIGWET likes this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)
p5browne is offline  
post #10068 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 01:58 PM
Member
 
THEBIGWET's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Posts: 176
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 189 Post(s)
Liked: 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by THEBIGWET View Post
Try putting your Gamma on + 2 and your Dynamic contrast on Medium. Change it while you are watching the content you consider to be too dark. The Gamma + 2 is for all HDR content. Activating Dynamic Contrast in the Rec 709 era was a major NO NO but it appears in the 4K UHD HDR era with HDR10 it might be REQUIRED. Try it out and let me know what you think and if possible list your picture settings please.
As @p5browne suggested turn off BD-Wise. He is THE MAN and I owe him big time for his glorious calibration work that he shares with us all. @p5browne , I am going to P.M. you a link to a test pattern that generates metadata and kicks your TV into HDR mode. Open the link in Chrome and translate it and do your thing. Just please share your thoughts and findings with us.

UN65JS9500\FXZA TS01, LG OLED 65 C7P, Chromecast Ultra, Roku Ultra, Apple TV 4K,, NVIDIA Shield Android TV 2015, UBD K-8500, OPPO UDP 203, XBOX One X, PS4 Pro, Nintendo Switch, Wii U, PS VR, Oculus Rift, ALIENWARE AREA 51 R2, i7 5820K @ 4.4 GHz, Corsair Dominator Platinum 40 GBytes Quad @ 3000 MHz, ASUS Rog Strix 1080 Ti, Yamaha RX-A2080, Klipsch Reference 5.1.4 Atmos.
THEBIGWET is offline  
post #10069 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 02:02 PM
Advanced Member
 
Larry Rosenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 557
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 458 Post(s)
Liked: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by THEBIGWET View Post
Try putting your Gamma on + 2 and your Dynamic contrast on Medium. Change it while you are watching the content you consider to be too dark. The Gamma + 2 is for all HDR content. Activating Dynamic Contrast in the Rec 709 era was a major NO NO but it appears in the 4K UHD HDR era with HDR10 it might be REQUIRED. Try it out and let me know what you think and if possible list your picture settings please.
Thanks, I just tried it and although a bit brighter, also more washed out and still way too dim.

Messing around with the controls to this set as well as my entry level LG 43UH6100 on HDR material can make details in dark areas a bit more discernible but I think the anology to be make here is trying to upgrade your Windows Operating system on your existing hardware. The newer and more demanding operating system might install, but it will not give optimal results without a hardware upgrade - read, new computer - new TV.

One poster said his entry level 2015 Samsung was 20% brighter than this 2014 set. Well, that's a lot! And if top of the line 2016 sets with 1000+ nits and 10 bit panels are brighter yet, that's the answer.

I'm pretty close to simply closing the book on HDR until such time as we buy new systems and in the meantime we will continue to enjoy the truly great 4K content that is becoming more plentiful.

But hope springs eternal for some other solution. :-)

Thanks again.
THEBIGWET likes this.

Last edited by Larry Rosenberg; 05-14-2016 at 02:10 PM.
Larry Rosenberg is offline  
post #10070 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 02:18 PM
Member
 
THEBIGWET's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Posts: 176
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 189 Post(s)
Liked: 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Rosenberg View Post
Thanks, I just tried it and although a bit brighter, also more washed out and still way too dim.

Messing around with the controls to this set as well as my entry level LG 43UH6100 on HDR material can make details in dark areas a bit more discernible but I think the anology to be make here is trying to upgrade your Windows Operating system on your existing hardware. The newer and more demanding operating system might install, but it will not give optimal results without a hardware upgrade - read, new computer - new TV.

One poster said his entry level 2015 Samsung was 20% brighter than this 2014 set. Well, that's a lot! And if top of the line 2016 sets with 1000+ nits and 10 bit panels are brighter yet, that's the answer.

I'm pretty close to simply closing the book on HDR until such time as we buy new systems and in the meantime we will continue to enjoy the truly great 4K content that is becoming more plentiful.

But hope springs eternal for some other solution. :-)

Thanks again.
OK but you didn't show me your settings which could still be the root of the problem. I have a Sammy HU9000 + SEK3500 as well as a JS9500. Trust me the 580 nit VS 1000 nit difference is not as big a deal as many assume. There is no HDR lite.
galonzo and Musician like this.

UN65JS9500\FXZA TS01, LG OLED 65 C7P, Chromecast Ultra, Roku Ultra, Apple TV 4K,, NVIDIA Shield Android TV 2015, UBD K-8500, OPPO UDP 203, XBOX One X, PS4 Pro, Nintendo Switch, Wii U, PS VR, Oculus Rift, ALIENWARE AREA 51 R2, i7 5820K @ 4.4 GHz, Corsair Dominator Platinum 40 GBytes Quad @ 3000 MHz, ASUS Rog Strix 1080 Ti, Yamaha RX-A2080, Klipsch Reference 5.1.4 Atmos.
THEBIGWET is offline  
post #10071 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 02:53 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
Will probably be calibrating the HU + SEK Sunday night. Will see if Grays Peak looks any better. If it does, then 1453 did do something.
The new FW # 1322 on the Original OCB, sure brought it up closer to looking like the SEK!

Played the HDR Video clips - definitely NO Metadata being recognized. And no MetaData turn on in the SM Shop Options. (One can only hope!)

Have moved the SEK re-install to now. Did Evo Kit Backup with old OCB, and a Reset once the SEK was installed.
Agreement coming up with Error 999 - will have to correct.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)

Last edited by p5browne; 05-14-2016 at 04:26 PM.
p5browne is offline  
post #10072 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 03:37 PM
Advanced Member
 
Larry Rosenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 557
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 458 Post(s)
Liked: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by THEBIGWET View Post
OK but you didn't show me your settings which could still be the root of the problem. I have a Sammy HU9000 + SEK3500 as well as a JS9500. Trust me the 580 nit VS 1000 nit difference is not as big a deal as many assume. There is no HDR lite.
Okay, I'll pursue this a bit more if you think it could be productive.

My settings were first just BD Wise, and then I did what you suggested, turned off BD Wise and set the picture mode to Standard but raised the Gamma by 2 (tried 3, even), and set the Dynamic Contrast to Medium (tried the max on that one, too). Everything else was "standard." I could, of course, raise brightness but that seems to have the same effect it does on SDR; it washes out the picture which is, I presume, exactly the opposite of what HDR is intended to do.

What other settings could be in play?
THEBIGWET likes this.
Larry Rosenberg is offline  
post #10073 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 03:44 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 5,505
Mentioned: 193 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4533 Post(s)
Liked: 5532
Quote:
Originally Posted by p5browne View Post
Will probably be calibrating the HU + SEK Sunday night. Will see if Grays Peak looks any better. If it does, then 1453 did do something.
The new FW # 1322 on the Original OCB, sure brought it up closer to looking like the SEK!
The Samsung web site said the update only fixed apps.
Unfortunately because the 2016 sets are not using the sek-3500, we probably won't see any picture improvement updates. We were getting them because of the JS 2015 sets. I was really banking on turning my HU set into a KS set with the 3500

John
Sony 55A1E, A9F / LG 55OLEDC8
Marantz 7012, Ohm Walsh Speakers
Klein K10-A, Jeti 1501, Murideo Six-G Gen2
Calman Ultimate, ISF Level III Certified
jrref is online now  
post #10074 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 03:44 PM
Advanced Member
 
Larry Rosenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 557
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 458 Post(s)
Liked: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by p5browne View Post
Will probably be calibrating the HU + SEK Sunday night. Will see if Grays Peak looks any better. If it does, then 1453 did do something.
The new FW # 1322 on the Original OCB, sure brought it up closer to looking like the SEK!
I read here that 1453 is not being made available in the US through the TVs, themselves, at least so far? I'm hesitant to go to a Canadian or Korean site to download it from the Internet.

Glad to hear the old OCB is still valid. I still have mine. The irony is that without the SEK 3500, no 4K Blue-ray and no HDR, so no problems and that aside, these were/are beautiful sets and certainly did what we expected them to do as far as upscaling and native 4K. I was happy as could be. Then came HDR ...
THEBIGWET likes this.
Larry Rosenberg is offline  
post #10075 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 04:28 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 10,200
Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4008 Post(s)
Liked: 3182
Stay tuned!

New HU9000 + SEK-3500U + FW # 1453 now posted on the SEK-3500U Forum.

JS Mod calibration to follow.

New FW & calibration now has moved the JS Mod look, down into the regular system.
THEBIGWET and Larry Rosenberg like this.

UN65KS9800 - Mine
UN65HU9000 + SEK-3500U / UN75JU7100 / UN55HU7250 with SEK-3500U in UJS9000 Mod Mode / UN40J5200AF / HiSense 40H5507 - Wife's
UN55NU8000 X 2 - my 2 kids families (or should I say adults?)

Last edited by p5browne; 05-15-2016 at 10:54 AM.
p5browne is offline  
post #10076 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 04:47 PM
Lionheart of AVS
 
King Richard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Greenstone, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1797 Post(s)
Liked: 4367
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Rosenberg View Post
Okay, I'll pursue this a bit more if you think it could be productive.

My settings were first just BD Wise, and then I did what you suggested, turned off BD Wise and set the picture mode to Standard but raised the Gamma by 2 (tried 3, even), and set the Dynamic Contrast to Medium (tried the max on that one, too). Everything else was "standard." I could, of course, raise brightness but that seems to have the same effect it does on SDR; it washes out the picture which is, I presume, exactly the opposite of what HDR is intended to do.

What other settings could be in play?

Have you tried the "Movie" picture mode? Movie mode works best with HDR content.

Go through my "Picture Settings Guide" linked to in my signature. Perhaps there is something in there that can help you dial-in your settings.

There really is no reason why you should be unable to "dial-in" and "optimized" your settings to look good (or better) when viewing HDR content.


Richard
King Richard is offline  
post #10077 of 10282 Old 05-14-2016, 06:11 PM
Senior Member
 
CPTuell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked: 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Rosenberg View Post
I read here that 1453 is not being made available in the US through the TVs, themselves, at least so far? I'm hesitant to go to a Canadian or Korean site to download it from the Internet.

Glad to hear the old OCB is still valid. I still have mine. The irony is that without the SEK 3500, no 4K Blue-ray and no HDR, so no problems and that aside, these were/are beautiful sets and certainly did what we expected them to do as far as upscaling and native 4K. I was happy as could be. Then came HDR ...
If you have the SEK3500 It's FW is on the US site but it's under the JS9000 or 9500. I have downloaded and installed it.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...UN65JS9000FXZA
galonzo likes this.

CPTuell
" I'm a man, I can change, If I have to......I guess." Words to live by. From the Red Green Show...The Man's Prayer
LG OLED65C9PUA & Samsung UN65HU9000/SEK3500/US02,DirecTv HR-54 Genie w/4K MiniGenie, Denon AVR-X3300W, Roku Ultra 4K/HDR, Chromecast Ultra 4K/HDR, Sony UBP-X800
CPTuell is offline  
post #10078 of 10282 Old 05-15-2016, 09:04 AM
Advanced Member
 
CyberScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 598
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
Liked: 150
FYI... The SEK-3500 back in stock at Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V9Z6392/...I10B1FPVRL4O42

LG OLED65C9PUA; Denon AVR-X4500H, 7.2.4 ATMOS
LG OLED55C6P, Denon AVR-X6300H also rocking 7.2.4 ATMOS goodness!
Samsung UN65HU9000FXZA (TS01) with SEK-3500U/ZA Evolution Kit, Onkyo TX-RZ1100
CyberScott is offline  
post #10079 of 10282 Old 05-15-2016, 09:12 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
galonzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: most usually, somewhere in the midwest...
Posts: 2,225
Mentioned: 158 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1396 Post(s)
Liked: 1833
Quote:
Originally Posted by THEBIGWET View Post
OK but you didn't show me your settings which could still be the root of the problem. I have a Sammy HU9000 + SEK3500 as well as a JS9500. Trust me the 580 nit VS 1000 nit difference is not as big a deal as many assume. There is no HDR lite.
@Larry Rosenberg , I 100% concur with this; I too have both. You should be able to easily dial in your settings to get pretty close to a 2015 set; I'm sure we can help you if you list your settings.

Main: UN78HU9000/SEK-3500 | X4500H (Klipsch/HSU 5.1.4) | UDP-203 (fw 65-0131) | TiVo Bolt | Shield
2nd: UN65JS9500 | LG LAS855M | UBD-K8500 | Chromecast Ultra | TiVo Mini | Roku P+
3rd: 65P-F1 | Klipsch HDT-SB3 | UBP-X700 | Tivo Roamio | AppleTV4K
FS - Hobbs & Shaw and other UHD Digital codes (and some HD codes)
galonzo is online now  
post #10080 of 10282 Old 05-15-2016, 05:50 PM
Advanced Member
 
Larry Rosenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 557
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 458 Post(s)
Liked: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by galonzo View Post
@Larry Rosenberg , I 100% concur with this; I too have both. You should be able to easily dial in your settings to get pretty close to a 2015 set; I'm sure we can help you if you list your settings.
Okay, when I get a chance I will post my specific settings but nothing I have done even comes close to the brightness and vibrancy of non-HDR streams of the same content.

FWIW, I'm having the same experience with Amazon HDR streams being way too dark on my brand new 2016 LG 43UH6100 with "HDR Pro." But non-HDR looks fantastic. (This is a cheap entry level model, but still ...)

Thanks for your efforts.
galonzo likes this.
Larry Rosenberg is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply LCD Flat Panel Displays

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off