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Mark, did Panasonic confirm the # of dimming zones or whether there will be a 55AX900 in the U.S>?
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Before getting too excited about the calibration it is worth noting that according to this post in the CalMAN thread http://www.spectracal.com/forum/view...hp?f=94&t=5462 the calibration controls are limited to just the basics - which means no 3D LUT calibration - a big disappointment.
I'm checking out that thread. I'll definitely discuss calibration with the senior engineer when I visit the AX900, and do what I can while I am there.

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Ken, just chillax for a minute. You'll get a shot at buying a better TV next year, when a UHD OLED (likely) wins the shootout, you can immediately place your order for the winner of the audience vote. I'm sure the EC9700 will be shipping by then, and might even be quite affordable! Imagine if it sold for 20% of what it launched at, like the EA9800. I'd buy that in a heartbeat!

As for UHD/4K, unless I am mistaken, there is no 1080p OLED over 55", so it's not even a discussion.

I'm sure that there will be certain scenes/movies where OLED's deepest blacks make it the unmatched choice for dark room viewing.

Re: "great TV"... I didn't mean every TV. I meant the TVs that are a repeated part of the discussion here, i.e. X950B, ZT60, Kuro, Sharp Elite, EC9300/EC9700, and etc. I'm not discussing the latest offerings from Westinghouse, Seiki, and Dynex.
I don't see that same kind of price drop happening with UHD OLED. It's too new and having too many growing pains. My sights are set on the 77" OLED at some point. We'll have to see how it actually prices out, but IMO, it will have no peers.

As for 1080p OLED over 55", no, I didn't mean to imply that if that's what you understood. I was simply implying that despite the size disparity (55" HD OLED vs 65" UHD non-OLED), many still picked the 55" OLED for it's much better black levels and greater CR. In fact that scenario has come up often in the 55" OLED reviews, and many reviewers seem to agree with the owners, they too would pick the 55" HD over any 65" non-OLED. It just again demonstrates the importance of black levels and CR in the total picture equation (as we've always been told ).
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Mark, just as an aside, I'm not unalterably opposed to the AX900. IF it were to come out with exceptionally good black levels and IF it were able to eliminate the typical LCD foibles and IF it were priced reasonably (suggestions are at this point it's not) and IF UHD OLED fell on its face and became unavailable, then it's certainly something I'd look at.

But as a wise man once said "Dang, that's a lot of 'ifs'".

I'm somewhat dubious because nobody has yet even equaled what Sharp pulled off with the Elite.
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I don't know guys, projectors have poor blacks, LCD generally sucks (maybe not this one though), LG's OLEDs seem to have too many unsolved issues for me to fully enjoy them in the way I'd like to


Now I'm thinking about going for this baby, the dream of videophiles worldwide and all the worlds over. http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/br...x300/overview/ . This bad guy will be up for sale in march 2015 for 25 to 40 grand.


Actually, you know what fellas first I wanted to skimp on my next movie display and get an EC9700 for 6 to 8 grand, but then I thought: fµck it, man! 40 grand at worst ain't half bad for ,perhaps, the best display on the planet earth, is it...!? I mean who the heck am I kidding thinking EC9700 will rise up to the challenge of being the absolute best the world has ever seen.


P.S. Truth be told I don't think I would get an AX900 to watch movies and films on for anything that doesn't have zero blacks is not my cup of tea. Unlike most I'm fully ready to sacrifice size and wallet for quality, hell I'm even ready to sacrifice virgins for quality

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I don't know guys, projectors have poor blacks, LCD generally sucks (maybe not this one though), LG's OLEDs seem to have too many unsolved issues for me to fully enjoy them in the way I'd like to


Now I'm thinking about going for this baby, the dream of videophiles worldwide and all the worlds over. http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/br...x300/overview/ . This bad guy will be up for sale in march 2015 for 25 to 40 grand.


Actually, you know what fellas first I wanted to skimp on my next movie display and get an EC9700 for 6 to 8 grand, but then I thought: fµck it, man! 40 grand at worst ain't half bad for ,perhaps, the best display on the planet earth, is it...!? I mean who the heck am I kidding thinking EC9700 will rise up the challenge of being the absolute best the world has ever seen.


P.S. Truth be told I don't think I would get an AX900 to watch movies and films on for anything that doesn't have zero blacks is not my cup of tea. Unlike most I'm fully ready to sacrifice size and wallet for quality, hell I'm even ready to sacrifice virgins for quality
Nice TV, that Sony. It was a Sony Trimaster OLED that Panasonic had in the lineup at the AX900 event I recently attended in LA. Just sayin'.
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Nice TV, that Sony. It was a Sony Trimaster OLED that Panasonic had in the lineup at the AX900 event I recently attended in LA. Just sayin'.
I know Sony's OLEDs are great. I watched quite a few movies on Sony's OLED when I worked at FDA.


It was the first display to wow me every time I was watching it. Sony's OLED 25 incher never ceased to amaze me. Even movies I watched before looked anew on Sony's OLED. I mean isn't it all (a constant, never-ceasing wow-effect) one can ever hope to get from a TV?

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News from the folks over at flatpanels: Ultra HD TV sales are picking up speed. Seems pretty clear to me that how well Panasonic rides the coming wave, at least in the near future, will be influenced by the yet-to-be-announced msrp of the AX900 for the U.S.
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Two recent Panasonic AX900 videos added to the initial post:

Panasonic VIERA Studio Master Drive:

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black expression even in very dark scenes which were previously not possible on a LCD TV. It works by adjusting the image in extremely fine brightness steps, thus reproducing accurate colour expression at any brightness level.
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Combining the direct LED backlight with a highly transparent LCD panel produces outstanding brightness. Furthermore, Panasonic original technology delivers far more vibrant images by digitally recovering the original brightness which is often lost during shooting because of compression techniques. As a result richer and brighter colour nuances are produced.
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News of potential interest to Panasonic. The price for Toshiba's flagship 4K FALD LCD 65L9400U (no 3D) has reportedly dropped to $2429.87 on Amazon.
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News of potential interest to Panasonic. The price for Toshiba's flagship 4K FALD LCD 65L9400U (no 3D) has reportedly dropped to $2429.87 on Amazon.
with its 4k bellyflop you'll be seeing 2k soon enough possibly.
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Does anyone know what the input lag should be on this set? I read that the ax800 was around 37ms, which isn't too bad. Do you guys think the input lag will be the same as the ax800?
imagic, did you get any info on this?
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Does anyone know what the input lag should be on this set? I read that the ax800 was around 37ms, which isn't too bad. Do you guys think the input lag will be the same as the ax800?
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I do not have information but I am as curious as you are, especially since Panasonic touts the speed of the DisplayPort connection. I'll see what I can find out.

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Though it's only the first review, the AX900's competition probably just got one T.V. thinner. A pretty scathing review of Toshiba's 65L9400U 4K FALD LED TV by Lee Neikirk of Reviewed.com.
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Though it's only the first review, the AX900's competition probably just got one T.V. thinner. A pretty scathing review of Toshiba's 65L9400U 4K FALD LED TV by Lee Neikirk of Reviewed.com.

What is seen in this review is close to what was reported from the owner of the 7400 that was posting to the forums. It doesn't surprise me, but I had higher hopes for the Tosh.


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Studios are headed directly for a color space that no TV can render, and HDR where the amount of available content amounts to clips from CES? Perhaps James Cameron is buying Dolby Pro monitors, and Sony obviously finds a market for its $20,000, 25-inch OLEDS. But most production houses are only going to worry about rec. 709 UHD because for the foreseeable future that's going to remain the dominant color space.

But here's the catch. the AX900 also covers 98% of the P3/DCI color space, making it equally suitable for color work on movies. It's a bargain. A lot of movies and TV gets produced by many, many companies. Not all of them can afford five-figure monitors, but up until now, there's been nothing like the AX900. As I noted, many production facilities already use Panasonic plasmas, for the same reasons.

I can't predict the future. All I can do is point out that the AX900 is not just another expensive 65-inch TV. It is a reference-quality device capable of closely matching a $20,000 Sony professional OLED's color accuracy. That's a pretty big deal.
I wish more people in this thread would take this post more seriously.
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News that the Vizio Reference 4K TV will not debut until January 2015.
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I was just perusing through Panasonics approximately 117 current Internet Apps. Good grief. Coming from someone whose never owned a "smart tv" before, I'd be curious to read about others experiences with tv apps like these. Obvious ones aside, like Netflix, vudu, and Target Ticket, are most of these simply gimmicks? I've read posts in other threads where people describe using some of them once or twice then never again.
Michael Price, VIERA Product Specialist at Panasonic UK, explained to @SeeMoreDigital , @spinkeriffic and our colleagues that most users might only use around 10% of the apps, but because that 10% is different for each user then the inclusion of the full complement is justified.

For instance, Price demonstrated the Facebook app and explained how he finds it useful to view his News Feed on a 65" screen with a 4K resolution. @spinkeriffic 's boss Fiona and I frowned at each other as he was doing this as we found it convoluted and slightly tacky. However, @spinkeriffic put us in our place by proudly adding that she likes to stay constantly abreast of what is going on in her friends' lives, and as someone who can digest information from multiple screens simultaneously (a career as an Air Traffic Controller would be ideal if she ever tires of PR!), she also appreciates the ability of the VIERA Connect smart TV platform to pin two apps adjacently.
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News that the Vizio Reference 4K TV will not debut until January 2015.

Interesting. My guess is that will help keep the AX900 at MSRP a little longer.
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Interesting. My guess is that will help keep the AX900 at MSRP a little longer.
However, if it debuts at a high msrp, that strategy could backfire and result in people losing interest. It's bad enough Panasonic is releasing it right before the Holiday shopping season, but OLED and now the Vizio-R will be nipping at its heels. You know CRyan, I was looking forward to getting an AX900 in time to watch the first two Hobbit films on it in 3D prior to seeing the third in theaters. That just won't happen if this debuts at $6,999 or higher.
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News that the Vizio Reference 4K TV will not debut until January 2015.

That 'news' is over a month old now...

Vizio will be awaiting the announcement of some first Dolby Vision content (very likely to be announced by Dolby at CES...).
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I wish more people in this thread would take this post more seriously.

Which portion specifically, the first bit about 'Studios are headed directly for a color space that no TV can render, and HDR where the amount of available content amounts to clips from CES?' or something else
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That 'news' is over a month old now...

Vizio will be awaiting the announcement of some first Dolby Vision content (very likely to be announced by Dolby at CES...).
No better proof that I don't follow Vizio threads.
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Which portion specifically, the first bit about 'Studios are headed directly for a color space that no TV can render, and HDR where the amount of available content amounts to clips from CES?' or something else
I was not talking about rec. 2020 or HDR in that post. P3/DCI is what's used for movies, which are either shot digitally or scanned from film—either way the end result is P3/DCI gamut. Those studios perform color work on that material using calibrated displays, making the AX900 a viable option for that sort of work.
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I was not talking about rec. 2020 or HDR in that post. P3/DCI is what's used for movies, which are either shot digitally or scanned from film—either way the end result is P3/DCI gamut. Those studios perform color work on that material using calibrated displays, making the AX900 a viable option for that sort of work.
I have a question that is related to this. Not about professional use of this display but the increased gamut for consumer use. Do we see benefit in that from a consumers standpoint? I guess I am asking if any source provides that additional color information and if this set then uses that information? Or does the TV just "make up" colors?
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Michael Price, VIERA Product Specialist at Panasonic UK, explained to @SeeMoreDigital , @spinkeriffic and our colleagues that most users might only use around 10% of the apps, but because that 10% is different for each user then the inclusion of the full complement is justified.

For instance, Price demonstrated the Facebook app and explained how he finds it useful to view his News Feed on a 65" screen with a 4K resolution. @spinkeriffic 's boss Fiona and I frowned at each other as he was doing this as we found it convoluted and slightly tacky. However, @spinkeriffic put us in our place by proudly adding that she likes to stay constantly abreast of what is going on in her friends' lives, and as someone who can digest information from multiple screens simultaneously (a career as an Air Traffic Controller would be ideal if she ever tires of PR!), she also appreciates the ability of the VIERA Connect smart TV platform to pin two apps adjacently.
Speaking of smart t.v. functions, a fairly thorough review of Panasonic's 2014 Life+Screen Web Platform was recently posted online by Home Theater Review's Adrienne Maxwell.

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Definitely worth the read.
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And then of course we have CES 2015 on the Horizon - can't wait to see what new reasons to hold odd longer get announced and hope Panasonic has products to announce that give comfort that they are in the FALD LED/LCD game for the long haul...

Do you think they'll announce the AX900's successor only a few months after the AX900 has been released?
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Great article just posted from John Archer of Forbes, the title of which will surely rouse plasma owners: LCD TV Revolution: The 6 Steps That Make LCD 'Better Than Plasma'. It includes some detailed descriptions of the some of the technology deployed in the AX900.
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News that should be of some relevance to Panasonic: LG'S OLED TV FALLS TO $2699, A NEW LOW (as it prepares to announce the AX900's msrp).
Well, no not really. Both of those LG TV's offer '2k' 1920x1080 OLED panels only...

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Well, no not really. Both of those LG TV's offer '2k' 1920x1080 OLED panels only...
Especially at only 55 inches, with a number of PQ issues that are a counterpoint to OLED's best-in-class contrast and black levels. Then there's the curve...

Two drastically different TVs.

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