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...Huh!? At least try to express yourself in a coherent manner if you are going to go to the trouble of posting... I don't even quite understand what you are trying to say or who exactly you are addressing... Who yelled it's the "next thing?" I yelled that "I NEED one," whether or not it is the "next thing" or not is completely irrelevant top me. Who, what, when, where, why, and how!? Those are all great questions to ask yourself before "contributing" to a discussion... Add in a few capital letters (where appropriate) and some punctuation and you've got yourself a complete sentence!!!
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I don't even quite understand what you are trying to say or who exactly you are addressing..
if you don't even quite understand what i trying to say so what do you answer ???

people / writers / managers in this website claimed that Ultra-D next thing
actual no professional site write about it in ces 2015 .( I wonder why? )
It seems that someone on the site do advertisement on us Without mentioning that this advertisement !!!

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Who yelled it's the "next thing?"
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...xperience.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...ming-year.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...3d-update.html

Someone here has published a lot about Ultra-D
It is interesting that in all the exhibition CES 2015 no word from professional journalism

I lost trust in the site !!!
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if you don't even quite understand what i trying to say so what do you answer ???

people / writers / managers in this website claimed that Ultra-D next thing
actual no professional site write about it in ces 2015 .( I wonder why? )
It seems that someone on the site do advertisement on us Without mentioning that this advertisement !!!

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...xperience.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...ming-year.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...3d-update.html

Someone here has published a lot about Ultra-D
It is interesting that in all the exhibition CES 2015 no word from professional journalism

I lost trust in the site !!!
Then don't waste our time with conspiracy theories... Mark started this thread and has been posting for years. Then Stream TV quit feeding him info for a little while after his review of the demo they sent him. I do not think "someone do advertisement on us." Stream TV and IZON don't even update their own sites as often as I would like, why would they be so diligent here!?

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I sincerely hope this goes somewhere this year. I truly believe this is the type of technology to put 3D TV back in the spotlight. I am really getting sick of the TV industry getting us all hyped up about something like 3D, taking money from early adopters like us (I have 3 3D LG TV's), abandoning the technology at the first sign of any resistance or because they did not rake in the cash as quickly as they hoped, bad reviewers and or "journalists" claiming 3D is dead just because they are not interested in it personally (Gizmodo you suck...), and now the industry wants us all to invest in 4K (which I would like to see in ADDITION to 3D) when there is no content available... Hopefully a smaller company will take the consumer into consideration and give us something that is both tangible and functional.

Look, I realize the hype has died down... I realize 3D TV is not as big at CES... But I also know MANY people that have 3D functionality in their home theaters and firmly believe that if the industry put the same level of patience into 3D as they did with HD (which took years to penetrate the market), it can still catch on in a big way. Ditching the glasses is a great start!
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I think with the limited marketing budget, UltraD 3D won't get as much attention/coverage as other TV manufacturer like Samsung, LG, Sony etc.
But if you search again now, there are lot more articles that talks about the presences of UltraD at CES this year.

I also found an article by Robert J. Elisberg, which somewhat explains the current situation (sorry, I can't post link because I'm newbie here)

I'm also very impatient about the release of glass free TV, because I'm moving in a new place and need a new TV along with it. But if you think about it, Blu-Ray just announced the 4K support no long ago, so you will only be seeing more 4K content later this year. So no rush really~
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if you don't even quite understand what i trying to say so what do you answer ???

people / writers / managers in this website claimed that Ultra-D next thing
actual no professional site write about it in ces 2015 .( I wonder why? )
It seems that someone on the site do advertisement on us Without mentioning that this advertisement !!!

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...xperience.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...ming-year.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...3d-update.html

Someone here has published a lot about Ultra-D
It is interesting that in all the exhibition CES 2015 no word from professional journalism

I lost trust in the site !!!
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Then don't waste our time with conspiracy theories... Mark started this thread and has been posting for years. Then Stream TV quit feeding him info for a little while after his review of the demo they sent him. I do not think "someone do advertisement on us." Stream TV and IZON don't even update their own sites as often as I would like, why would they be so diligent here!?
I attended the press conference. Ultra-D TVs were there, working. The glasses-free 3D looked good as usual. But in the context of the show it was not big enough news to cover as a priority. No specific product no news for a product I covered already. When something ships, I'll review that, with pleasure. Until then, I'm basically waiting for the big news: a Ultra-D TV with a price and a ship date.

What StreamTV did do is summarize the progress it made in just the past year and a half, which is tremendous when you consider what the first prototype I saw looked like. I can't stress this enough—STreamTV is the "last man standing" in this category, with a product that works. But it's not enough to merit a front page article for any major AV publication. And frankly at CES there are so many press conferences that its tough from a smaller company to compete with the corporations that filled ballrooms with 2000 reporters at one time.
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Thanks very much for the update!!! I have been following any little piece of information I can find, which has been disappointing to say the least. James Cameron is (or was) involved personally with Dolby 3D but I have not read anything recently... They do have a video with him on their website http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-3d.html, but I could not find anything from CES 2015. Ultra D is supposedly better anyway... Not a big fan (other than what it has done to promote 3D) but there are supposed to be three Avatar sequels in the works, Cameron claims the first will drop in 2016. Hopefully something will happen before then in regard to auto-stereoscopic displays, if not I would expect that release to coincide with some advancement in the technology.

That said, we all need to rally if Stream TV does in fact release a product. We have all been early adopters for all of the major companies that have left us in the dark and taken our hard earned cash... and they have abandoned us and our 3D TVs to embrace the next expensive fad. I don't know about you guys, but I at least like a kiss when I get screwed!!! Now it is time to support David in what is sure to be a fight against Goliath.

One possible outcome though; if the larger companies see enough potential in the tech it may only be a relatively short period of time before Ultra D gets bought out. Stream TV would be wise to opt for royalties rather than a big upfront payout if that happens, like the guy that made the special sauce for the Big Mac. Every time someone buys one he gets a Nickel if memory serves me... I hope they just license it though because a big company could also buy the tech and bury it in favor of 4K or the like. Anyway, that is getting too far ahead!

The moral of this story is to show support of the technology and buy one relatively soon after launch if they release it, if they don't I am going to seriously inquire about purchasing one of the commercial versions and a box from SeeCubic. I tried to buy a display from NEC a couple of years ago but they informed me they are not set up for what I had intended to use it for and were mainly for advertisement purposes.

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I think with the limited marketing budget, UltraD 3D won't get as much attention/coverage as other TV manufacturer like Samsung, LG, Sony etc.
But if you search again now, there are lot more articles that talks about the presences of UltraD at CES this year.

I also found an article by Robert J. Elisberg, which somewhat explains the current situation (sorry, I can't post link because I'm newbie here)

I'm also very impatient about the release of glass free TV, because I'm moving in a new place and need a new TV along with it. But if you think about it, Blu-Ray just announced the 4K support no long ago, so you will only be seeing more 4K content later this year. So no rush really~
Here you go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/ultrad-glassless-3dtv-upd_b_6390688.html

This is from 12/29/2014, and is actually the first article to give me renewed hope... Robert has written in the past about 3D being "very flawed and destined to fail." I was pleasantly surprised to read this article and find out that he feels quite differently about auto-stereoscopic 3D and especially Ultra D. Hang in there, it seems as though our dream may become a reality this year!!!
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I attended the press conference. Ultra-D TVs were there, working. The glasses-free 3D looked good as usual. But in the context of the show it was not big enough news to cover as a priority. No specific product no news for a product I covered already. When something ships, I'll review that, with pleasure. Until then, I'm basically waiting for the big news: a Ultra-D TV with a price and a ship date.

What StreamTV did do is summarize the progress it made in just the past year and a half, which is tremendous when you consider what the first prototype I saw looked like. I can't stress this enough—STreamTV is the "last man standing" in this category, with a product that works. But it's not enough to merit a front page article for any major AV publication. And frankly at CES there are so many press conferences that its tough from a smaller company to compete with the corporations that filled ballrooms with 2000 reporters at one time.
i do not buy it
in the exhibition were representatives from 100 Countries NO one wrote about Ultra-D TVs
1. why no one write on screen 3D without glasses that will sell this year
2. no one write even visited or seen Ultra-D TVs
3.no one has written a word about Ultra-D TVs
4. youtube Approaches zero Videos ( people did not photograph it or report it )

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are you serious?

see how many stupid things posted on CES 2015 and for Ultra-D TVs nothing
One example from CNET

is a ban on the product or something you do not tell us
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Scott Wilkinson just posted a ces video with info on ultra d. Just jump to the 32 minute mark.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/138-av...es-2015-a.html
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i do not buy it
I do not sell "it..."
in the exhibition were representatives from 100 Countries NO one wrote about Ultra-D TVs

1. why no one write on screen 3D without glasses that will sell this year
Say whaaaaaaaat!?
2. no one write even visited or seen Ultra-D TVs
Mark had one in his house...
3.no one has written a word about Ultra-D TVs
See below...
4. youtube Approaches zero Videos ( people did not photograph it or report it )
Most of the available videos are on Youtube...
are you serious?
Are you!?
see how many stupid things posted on CES 2015 and for Ultra-D TVs nothing
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is a ban on the product or something you do not tell us
Um... yes.

"Ultra-D retweeted Denise Williams @missd r_williams · Jan 8
Another highlight @Ultra-D Glasses-Free 3D w/GotGame; later even @DJafrojack stopped by to game"

http://www.legitreviews.com/skyworth...015-ces_155848
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_6390688.html
http://news.gnom.es/pr/izon-and-stre...product-launch
http://www.iptv-news.com/2015/01/sky...v-at-ces-2015/
http://www.multichannel.com/news/tec...ee-3dtv/386651
http://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/201...d-by-stream-tv
http://www.dealerscope.com/article/s...-dream-alive/1
http://www.novuslight.com/ces-2015-s...ogy_N3501.html
http://storage.itbusinessnet.com/art...erings-3669732
http://ybltv.com/2015/01/streamtv-ne...es-free-3d-tv/
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/138-av...es-2015-a.html
http://sportsvideo.org/main/blog/201...-glasses-free/
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...108-story.html
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/streamtv...ews-20270.html
http://www.sourcewire.com/news/85641...y#.VLQwxntvAlA
Are you calling DJafrojack and all of these other nice people liars!? All of these links are to articles posted within the last month, there are more articles and videos online as well.

New link!!!
http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/...nced-1-7045725

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!!!

Can somebody please ban this troll???
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i do not buy it
in the exhibition were representatives from 100 Countries NO one wrote about Ultra-D TVs
1. why no one write on screen 3D without glasses that will sell this year
2. no one write even visited or seen Ultra-D TVs
3.no one has written a word about Ultra-D TVs
4. youtube Approaches zero Videos ( people did not photograph it or report it )

are you serious?

see how many stupid things posted on CES 2015 and for Ultra-D TVs nothing
One example from CNET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcCLhRJQ8E

is a ban on the product or something you do not tell us
It's interesting that you describe the reality of the situation so accurately, but you refuse to believe it. Nobody mentioned any kind of 3D at CES, for any reason. Plenty of kitchen gadgets though. That said, Ultra-D got coverage from some outlets/reporters. But not me.
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Nobody mentioned any kind of 3D at CES, for any reason.
there was a lot of talk about Samsung's 3D without glasses 8K
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The hype for 3D at CES is over apparently. Until the next Avatar movie is released that is...

Its called the hype cycle and time is a flat circle so...

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Stream TV won the Twice Picks Award for Best of Show:

http://www.twice.com/news/internatio...nced-ces/55580
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Lightbulb Pricing info from across the pond!!!

Alright folks, here it is:

http://www.celloelectronics.com/news..._TV_technology

This is straight from Cello's website and provides pricing info for the UK... I realize we don't yet have pricing info for the US from IZON, but this is a GREAT sign!!! Cello anticipates a price of £2,500 for the 50-inch model and £3,500 for the 65-inch model. This translates to approximately $3787.30USD and $5,449.17USD, respectively. Not quite as affordable as I had hoped, but still within the general realm of relative affordability... That is significantly cheaper than a lot of the initial offerings for OLED TVs of similar size and may be different in the US, depending on Stream TV and IZON's desire to break into the mainstream. For example, the LG 65EC9700 (a Flagship of course), goes for around $9,500... This year's 55-inch LG OLED models are in the $3,500-$5,000 range, so Cello is not too far out of line for a launch involving such a ground breaking product. I sincerely hope these TVs are cheaper WHEN (can you feel it too!?) they launch in the US, but the wife already told me to start saving my pennies just in case they are in line with their counterparts on the other side of the pond!!!

I am also curious to see how the pricing info looks when Skyworth and Konka make their initial offerings to the public, hopefully IZON won't be too far behind them...

When the XBOX 360 and PS3 launched, it actually cost more to make the systems than the companies charged for them, especially Sony due to the high cost of the Cell processor. Microsoft and Sony were both counting on making up for it in software sales, peripherals, and micro-transactions. They were also counting on the production costs gradually lowering until the loss was offset and the systems eventually became profitable. Microsoft took a big hit on the original XBOX in the beginning to break into the market and compete with the PS2, I am not sure about the current generation. This may be a wise business strategy for IZON and Stream TV if they are able to absorb the loss initially. I also realize they are smaller companies and don't have the deep pockets like Microsoft or Sony, so I will gladly pay the price like a good early adopter if necessary. I just want to see this thing go mainstream... affordability may be the deciding factor for the masses.

Cheers Cello!!!
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Zomby I really appreciate your enthusiasm and humor when dealing with the non believer. I truly truly hope that our prayers are answered this year!☺
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Zomby I really appreciate your enthusiasm and humor when dealing with the non believer. I truly truly hope that our prayers are answered this year!☺
Thanks! I am sooooooo excited about this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I asked what people do not tell us about this technology ?
why would a professional website talking about Ultra-D TV?
why not believe in technology?

here's an article maybe with answers

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1421309168

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GLASSES-FREE 3D: CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF HEADACHE
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The problem is that the technology remains unconvincing.
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but most of the time the picture just looks plain weird; kind of sparkling or rolling
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tream TV was exhibiting in central hall - by far the busiest place at CES - not far from Sony and Samsung, but every time we passed by the booth was practically empty. While standing there we overheard two people stopping, exclaiming; "wow it makes you kind of dizzy - yes" and leaving.
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It's OK ofiktomi, don't believe a senior writer of AVS. Don't believe a member that has been here for for over 9 years and has contributed over 6600 posts compared to your 24 barely legible ramblings. If your sole purpose is to discredit glasses free 3D, I'm sorry but you are failing miserably. I along with other people that are excited for this technology will judge for ourselves thank you very much.
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Here is a pretty good video that I found today:

http://ybltv.com/2015/01/ybltv-chats...rnational-ces/

Mathu Rajan lays out some of their general timeline and speaks about some features and partnerships. That game in the background looks pretty good too, can't wait to play on one!!!

In regard to the flatpanelshd article, I am disappointed to hear that from them. I do use them for settings quite frequently as a quick reference since calibration is a part of their review process and they optimize the settings for each set they review. That said, they do not have a production model in their possession, so I will be interested to see their review when they do ship. This is also the first negative commentary I have seen from a legitimate source... everyone else that has written about Ultra D seems to be quite impressed, even compared to Dolby 3D. Samsung also did themselves (and those of us who are serious about this technology) a huge disservice with that 110-inch Frankenstein Monster of a TV.
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As much as I am incredibly excited about this tech, I'm quite worried that it is Cello that are releasing it in the UK. Their TV offerings of late have had dissapointing reviews, and so, will the motion and picture software behind the panel hardware be up to snuff?

Anyone here actually see the sets in action at CES 15 and care to comment about picture quality e.g contrast, black levels and motion etc?

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As much as I am incredibly excited about this tech, I'm quite worried that it is Cello that are releasing it in the UK. Their TV offerings of late have had dissapointing reviews, and so, will the motion and picture software behind the panel hardware be up to snuff?

Anyone here actually see the sets in action at CES 15 and care to comment about picture quality e.g contrast, black levels and motion etc?

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I made a comment (to my colleagues) while I was there. I said "It sure would be nice to see Ultra-D technology used on a good TV." That's been a problem since the first prototype I saw, the panels themselves are not as good as they could be. But it's impossible to really judge contrast, motion, and black levels at the show. Nevertheless, it would have liked see a high-end TV converted to Ultra-D.

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Thats exactly my thoughts, Mark. Thanks for the reply.

If this is really as good as most folks say it is, then to put it in a Sony, Panasonic, Samsung or LG (OLED??) would be stunning!

Are there any main players interested?

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Thats exactly my thoughts, Mark. Thanks for the reply.

If this is really as good as most folks say it is, then to put it in a Sony, Panasonic, Samsung or LG (OLED??) would be stunning!

Are there any main players interested?
This is from the Huffington Post article I posted earlier: "Additionally, there are other new relationships with several substantive companies who, though they haven't yet announced market plans, have already taken their sets using Ultra-D technology for display at trade shows, which is a significant step. (It's particularly significant since these include Panasonic and NEC.) Two other very big Japanese companies he mentioned - though not ready to name for public consumption yet - are expected to be ready in the third quarter of the year."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_6390688.html

Also, from the Sports Video Group article: "Chinese 4K-set manufacturers Skyworth and Konka (Skyworth accounts for 70% of 4K-set sales in China) will roll out sets incorporating the Ultra-D technology, and Hisense and PDC, a joint effort of Panasonic and Mitsubishi, are also committed to the format. Izon similarly has committed to the format, and Inception Digital, a digital-signage company, sees potential as the format increases sales and viewer retention."

http://sportsvideo.org/main/blog/201...-glasses-free/

This looks promising... I agree that LG OLED Ultra D would be stunning!!!

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Maybe Mark could let us see a review of a Izon/Cello Ultra D tv when they are finally released!!

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Maybe Mark could let us see a review of a Izon/Cello Ultra D tv when they are finally released!!
I hope I get to review one, for sure.

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This article is very long but has a nice section about Ultra D:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_6548020.html

I know we are all starved for information, so every little bit helps right!?
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So there are some major players that there is an embargo on mentioning?

Sounds a little more promising (to me and the other one person who still watches 3D)
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