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Just bought the 65x850b from Amazon, gets here Wednesday. Anyone buy from Amazon? I am curious how the return process works?

Crazy that I am worrying about returning a tv before it's even delivered but the issues facing the tv have me a bit nervous.

This is my first Sony tv, had been a Samsung guy for a while. I will try and post sine pictures when I get it up and running.
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Guys - loving this TV but wondering if I need to try again - noticing some strange lighting in dark scenes so I took a pic of a black background. Does this look bad in terms of uniformity and flash lighting?
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Guys - loving this TV but wondering if I need to try again - noticing some strange lighting in dark scenes so I took a pic of a black background. Does this look bad in terms of uniformity and flash lighting?
That seems pretty bad imo. If it were me (and it may be me next week ) I would return it.
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Pulled the trigger on the Sony 65" and will be here Sunday My question is this bought one HDMI cable from BB for $100 4K compliance etc, since will be connecting the TV to my receiver probably overpaid for the cable and was wondering where most of you's are buying your cables from for the DVD,cable box and so on, would any decent 4K cable be OK?????
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Guys - loving this TV but wondering if I need to try again - noticing some strange lighting in dark scenes so I took a pic of a black background. Does this look bad in terms of uniformity and flash lighting?
Actually looks pretty normal for the 65x850b. That's about what mine looks like and one the in the store.. Picture is awesome, only really notice it on boot up.
People need to realize that when you photograph flashlighting, it looks about 50% worse on the picture than on the tv.
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Pulled the trigger on the Sony 65" and will be here Sunday My question is this bought one HDMI cable from BB for $100 4K compliance etc, since will be connecting the TV to my receiver probably overpaid for the cable and was wondering where most of you's are buying your cables from for the DVD,cable box and so on, would any decent 4K cable be OK?????
Buy a cable off Amazon for like $6. Just make sure it's Highspeed HDMI 1.4 .
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Just bought one from ABT - XBR65X850B for 2498 with free shipping. After all the hassles my wife went through to buy me a new 4K tv for Christmas, I hope this one rocks.


I wanted to know if anyone here has integrated this TV into their Home Theater setup? I am installing a new PS4 and have a Sony Home Theater Receiver, the STR DN1050. Should it all mesh together or will it all be a mish mash of problems?


Like I said, after everything, the last thing I need is problems. I got a new wall mount coming for this tv (and the little on for my Son's room) plus three High Speed HDMI cables.


I'll plug the PS4 and the receiver into the TV with these cables.
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Buy a cable off Amazon for like $6. Just make sure it's Highspeed HDMI 1.4 .
Thanks was thinking about Amazon just wanted reassurance on the Hdmi cables thats all.

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Thanks was thinking about Amazon just wanted reassurance on the Hdmi cables thats all.
I've bought my cables, wires, fasteners etc from ,"monoprice.com" for many years. Very popular here at AVS for as long a I can remember. Great quality and great prices. Check them out, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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I've bought my cables, wires, fasteners etc from ,"monoprice.com" for many years. Very popular here at AVS for as long a I can remember. Great quality and great prices. Check them out, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Forgot about them wikk look into it.
Thanks for the info.

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I finally got my Sony credit code Friday morning. So we went to the Sony store in the afternoon to comlete the purchase of the 70".
It scheduled to be delivered today (Saturday). TV room is ready. My wife is more excited to get it than I am.
So we're watching hockey on it tonight (GoHabsGo)
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Streaming Nexflics

I just purchased a Sony X850B and I have a single HDMI coming from my Marentz 7007 everything works through the Marentz but if I stream Nexflix it goes through the TV speakers only. What would be the correct connection to get the sound to the Marentz. I thinking the single optical connection from the TV to the receiver in addition to the HDMI as shown on page 17 of the manual?
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4K Netflix App on X850B

Noticed this morning that the Netflix 4K titles list/menu is no longer there (inside the TV App).... Even the original 4K titles now say "HD" not "Ultra HD".... And they stop streaming at 1080, no more 2160...

I have two X850B sets and both are showing the Netflix App without any more 4K titles.... There was another TV software update yesterday, wondering if it did this...

Are people here seeing the same thing ?... And if you're still getting the 4K titles, are you paying Netflix the higher "family plan" fee, or just the regular $8 monthly fee ?

Thanks !
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Noticed this morning that the Netflix 4K titles list/menu is no longer there (inside the TV App).... Even the original 4K titles now say "HD" not "Ultra HD".... And they stop streaming at 1080, no more 2160...

I have two X850B sets and both are showing the Netflix App without any more 4K titles.... There was another TV software update yesterday, wondering if it did this...

Are people here seeing the same thing ?... And if you're still getting the 4K titles, are you paying Netflix the higher "family plan" fee, or just the regular $8 monthly fee ?

Thanks !
Downloaded the upgrade yesterday. As of this morning I am receiving netflix at 2160 with the Sony display button. still see the netflix Ultra 4K list. Streaming at 19mps to my TV. paying $7.99 I am grandfathered in.
check your stream.
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I just purchased a Sony X850B and I have a single HDMI coming from my Marentz 7007 everything works through the Marentz but if I stream Nexflix it goes through the TV speakers only. What would be the correct connection to get the sound to the Marentz. I thinking the single optical connection from the TV to the receiver in addition to the HDMI as shown on page 17 of the manual?
Yes. OR, enable ARC (Audio Return Channel) on the Marantz and set the appropriate settings on the TV, and you can get the TV's sound using your existing HDMI cable (assuming it's plugged in HDMI 1).
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On Monday I'm taking delivery of my new Sony 65XBR850B. Can't Wait.

I'd like to eliminate any 'audio lag' between my new Sony and my home theatre speakers. So I'm wondering if this is the best way to interconnect / configure my system?


- Coax from DTV dish 'IN' to DTV HR24
- HDMI(1) 'OUT' from HR24 and 'IN' to Sony 65XBR850B
- Optical 'OUT' from Sony and 'IN' to Marantz AV7701
- HDMI(2) 'OUT' from OPPO BDP103 and 'IN' to Sony

Thanks in advance for any advice. I'm not experienced in this area.
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Downloaded the upgrade yesterday. As of this morning I am receiving netflix at 2160 with the Sony display button. still see the netflix Ultra 4K list. Streaming at 19mps to my TV. paying $7.99 I am grandfathered in.
check your stream.
Yes, same here on X10 and 950B. However, I'm not sure the grandfathering applies to 4K ($11.99/mo) service. I think they were talking about the one dollar price increase from $7.99 to $8.99.

For the moment, I'm getting my 2160 at 16000Mbps for $7.99, but I think I hear the click of the Netflix switch coming 'round the canyon.

PS: are you sure you're reading 19000, because that isn't a speed Netflix is supplying. It currently stands at 5800 to 6000 for 1080p, and 16000 for 4K.

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New update this Black Friday morning PKG 2.26
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Thanks for the heads-up, Jack! I'm gonna have to check these forums more frequently, but my TV alerted me to the update when I turned it on this morning. My XBR-49X850B now says it's running PKG2.261AAA.

While there are no release notes yet, I can report that Photo Share is now working from my iPhone 6 to the TV; it's no longer stuck on the phone with a "use portrait orientation" message.

It looks like my login to PlayMemories Online was forgotten over the update, and I've not been successful logging back in yet. It reports my PIN is incorrect, but I've gone to my SEN account and reset the PIN with no luck. Not sure, though, if this is an issue with the TV firmware or PlayMemories Online. My logins for Netflix, Amazon Instant, and VUDU were not lost during the update.
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Yes, same here on X10 and 950B. However, I'm not sure the grandfathering applies to 4K ($11.99/mo) service. I think they were talking about the one dollar price increase from $7.99 to $8.99.

For the moment, I'm getting my 2160 at 16000Mbps for $7.99, but I think I hear the click of the Netflix switch coming 'round the canyon.

PS: are you sure you're reading 19000, because that isn't a speed Netflix is supplying. It currently stands at 5800 to 6000 for 1080p, and 16000 for 4K.
Sometime around late September/early October, Netflix decided that 4K streaming would only be available in the $11.99 "Platinum" plan; prior to that, you could access it from any streaming plan. If you were using it before that time, it's reported that Netflix grandfathered you in at the lower price point for that as well. When I set up my new set a few weeks back in November, I did have to upgrade my service level to enable 4K streaming.

Reference: Search for "Netflix 4K grandfathering PCMag" and you'll likely find the article where I found this information. (I don't yet have a sufficient post count to directly link the article.)
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That's awesome. I'm pretty excited for my delivery on Wednesday, fingers crossed it all works out.
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Sometime around late September/early October, Netflix decided that 4K streaming would only be available in the $11.99 "Platinum" plan; prior to that, you could access it from any streaming plan. If you were using it before that time, it's reported that Netflix grandfathered you in at the lower price point for that as well. When I set up my new set a few weeks back in November, I did have to upgrade my service level to enable 4K streaming.

Reference: Search for "Netflix 4K grandfathering PCMag" and you'll likely find the article where I found this information. (I don't yet have a sufficient post count to directly link the article.)
That's good to know. On the one or two occasions I've needed to call NF, the reps tell me I need to upgrade my service for 4K. I guess they're not up to date on the info from PC Mag:

".....in the form of slightly higher monthly payments required to access the 4K content.
However, there's a silver lining for Netflix die-hards. If you've been watching 4K content on Netflix before early October or so—and you're on Netflix's standard monthly payment plan—then you'll still be able to access your super-high-resolution streams without having to switch up to the more expensive plan. Netflix is grandfathering in anyone who falls into this category, and they should be able to watch 4K content at the cheaper rate indefinitely."
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Downloaded the upgrade yesterday. As of this morning I am receiving netflix at 2160 with the Sony display button. still see the netflix Ultra 4K list. Streaming at 19mps to my TV. paying $7.99 I am grandfathered in.
check your stream.
Thanks, everyone for confirming you are all still getting the 4K titles.... My X850B's are all ethernet hard-wired and getting +80 mbps speed from Atlantic Broadband, checked on all my home devices, so no streaming issue....

My Netflix account was set up in January 2013, way before the so-called 4K grandfathered deadline of August 2014 took effect.... And my two 55X850B's are getting the same (new) Netflix User Inteface at two different home locations with (for the first time) no more 4K menu list or titles....

I will call Netflix and see what they say.... Will report back...
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I'm about to drop a bomb on this thread. I just got "confirmation" from Sony that the 850B does NOT support HDMI 2.0!

I looked at the Sony spec sheet for the 850A and it specifically calls out HDMI 2.0. However, the 850B spec sheet does not even mention what version of HDMI it supports.

so, I posted on the Sony support forum at http://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ultr...p/469711#M2439 and you can see their response.

I would love for them to be wrong! I just bought my 850B about 6 weeks ago and would explore all options to return it if it truly does not support HDMI 2.0.
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I'm about to drop a bomb on this thread. I just got "confirmation" from Sony that the 850B does NOT support HDMI 2.0!

I looked at the Sony spec sheet for the 850A and it specifically calls out HDMI 2.0. However, the 850B spec sheet does not even mention what version of HDMI it supports.

I would love for them to be wrong! I just bought my 850B about 6 weeks ago and would explore all options to return it if it truly does not support HDMI 2.0.
Ugh, seriously? I love my TV so far, but if this is true I may need to consider returning with this news..
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I'm about to drop a bomb on this thread. I just got "confirmation" from Sony that the 850B does NOT support HDMI 2.0!
Could be that the Sony rep didn't have a clue...

From the specification page for Sony 65x850b:

"Video Signal : 3840x2160/24p; 3840x2160/25p; 3840x2160/30p; 4096x2160/24p; 3840x2160/60p (YCbCr4:2:0 8bit); 1080/24p (HDMI only); 1080/60i; 1080/60p (HDMI / Component); 480/60i; 480/60p; 720/60p; 1080/30p (HDMI only); 720/30p (HDMI only); 720/24p (HDMI only)"

3840x2160/60p (YCbCr4:2:0 8bit) is covered in HDMI 2.0. There are no current 4k television sets that support [email protected] with 4:4:4 and HDCP 2.2 as this is a limitation of the current chip technology but should be available late this year or early next year. There are numerous threads and posts about this on the forum.
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I'm about to drop a bomb on this thread. I just got "confirmation" from Sony that the 850B does NOT support HDMI 2.0!

I looked at the Sony spec sheet for the 850A and it specifically calls out HDMI 2.0. However, the 850B spec sheet does not even mention what version of HDMI it supports.
The HDMI Forum appears to be pushing all companies to stop quoting HDMI specification revisions in their marketing materials, and instead to advertise the specific features that are supported by a given device. Not all devices will support all modes of transfer, and so the overall "HDMI 2.0" label is a bit misleading.

For instance, on page 14 of the Operating Instructions/Setup Guide that came with my set (Document code 4-533-569-13(2)), there is an interesting note on page 14. This note says to connect 4K devices to the HDMI IN 2 or HDMI IN 1 jack to enjoy copyright protected content. That's a notable little detail that I'd not discovered until I started looking because of your post.

As paul.sim noted, the X850B family supports [email protected] with YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit encoding only. The HDMI 2.0 spec also defines modes with YCbCr 4:2:0 16bit, YCbCr 4:2:2 12bit, and YCbCr 4:4:4 8bit as well; the X850B family doesn't support those modes.

So does the X850B family support every single display mode defined in HDMI 2.0? Nope, it doesn't. Does it support some of the modes defined in HDMI 2.0 and, therefore, have HDMI 2.0 ports? Yes, I say it does.

The HDMI Forum's Consumer Buying Guide has a pretty good answer here: "Some people have the mistaken idea that they should be shopping for a particular version of the HDMI Specification, for example, HDMI 1.4. This has never been true. Instead, you should shop for the specific features you want, and make sure that those features are supported in all the HDMI devices you will be using."

If deep color in 4K or [email protected] mode is important to you, then go ahead and return your X850B. Given these sets feature SONY's Triluminous display panel, that could be an entirely reasonable expectation. As I read the specifications, though, these deep color modes are supported in [email protected] ([email protected]/25/30Hz), and in 1080p and lower at all supported refresh rates.
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Mystery solved.... but what a mess !

After calling Netflix, finally got the answer as to why the 4K titles & 4K Menu disappeared this morning from my SONY X850B's Netflix Apps :

Even though I signed up for Netflix almost 2 years ago, and thus, my 4K service would be grandfathered under the basic $7.99 plan, I signed up through Apple I-Tunes when I activated Netflix on my Apple TV box....Apple, says Netflix, does not allow Netflix to keep a history of my account.... According to Netflix, Apple I-Tunes is a 3rd party "middleman" which collects fees for them but does not open up their records to Netflix for Netflix to know much about me.... As a result, Netflix shut down my 4K streaming since, as far as they were concerned, I could not claim grandfathered status for 4K under the $7.99 plan... If I wanted to get 4K now I would have to sign up for their $11.99 plan, the only one offering 4K streaming to new subscribers or 3rd party subscribers such as myself....

And so, they sent me back to Apple to sign up for the $11.99 plan through my I-Tunes account.... Except that Apple I-Tunes only offers the Netflix $7.99 plan, no $11.99 plan is available.... Apple's story is that they have not reached agreement with Netflix to offer any other plan but the $7.99 plan... If I want this $11.99 plan I would have to close my I-Tunes Netflix account and open up a new Netflix account directly with Netflix where the $11.99 plan would be available....

And that's what I had to do this afternoon.... Closed my I-Tunes Netflix account.... Opened a new Netflix account directly with Netflix, the $11.99 plan.... Had to log out the original account on every streaming device I have (ROKU, Apple TV, TIVO's, X850B's) and then log in the new account with new e-mail address and new passwords on all these devices again....

And yes, success !!!...On the X850B's the Netflix app now has the 4K titles and 4K Menu back once again, all for a 50% monthly price increase..... So I guess, slowly but surely, Netflix is figuring out ways to bypass and find exceptions for their so-called 4K "grandfathered" service...
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I'm about to drop a bomb on this thread. I just got "confirmation" from Sony that the 850B does NOT support HDMI 2.0!
I can confirm first hand, that not only does it have HDMI 2.0, HDMI inputs 1&2 both support HDCP 2.2. I connected my Sony FMPX10 4k player to it and played and recognized the 49X850B as a copy-protected device to play content to.

Now, just because something has HDMI 2.0, doesn't mean it supports every possible resolution for HDMI 2.0. It does support what it says in the owner's manual and spec sheet.

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