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I just tried to open my Amazon Instant Video app and it won't open for me either. I just get the constant loading circle. Wonder if there is just a glitch currently or if it will require additional hardware (Fire Stick)?
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(i) Update on post from Deja Vu re HDR (seen today on 740D forum); seems like he didn't set his HDMI port to "enhanced" to enable proper HDR intake:

"Thanks for the help. It still took me awhile to find how to get to the HDMI ports and make the switch to "enhanced". Without this forum I'd never have found out about this. I have no idea how a "normal" consumer is going to learn how to properly set this TV up for UHD/HDR use. And yes, HDR now looks much, much better. I'm not sure it looks that much better than UHD with the cinema mode but all the cartoonish colours are gone."

(ii) My Amazon app is working ok. Watched a bit of "Humans" on Amazon.
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Interesting post from Vladrad about HDR. Seems like we may not be missing too much. A question about the Amazon app on my 950 b. My Hulu app and Netflix app open up with no problem but the Amazon app won't open at all. I don't need a firestick or updated software do I? Thanks. Regards. Ned.
I tried Amazon today for the first time since the update. All I get is that white circle. I tried unplugging the TV for a minute, but that didn't help. I haven't tried a factory update.

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This set s currently 2699 at BB right now. I'm so tempted to get it. I currently have an 65 inch 850a snd want to get FALD. Of course the elephant in the room is HDR or lack there of. That price though.........
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This set s currently 2699 at BB right now. I'm so tempted to get it. I currently have an 65 inch 850a snd want to get FALD. Of course the elephant in the room is HDR or lack there of. That price though.........
There's little 4K content as is. HDR still hasn't been finalized. Two current virants. Only BD 4K is defined in that it requires HDR10. Streaming varies. Netflix and Amazon carrying both and VuDu only DV. Neither Netflix not Amazon carry current content in 4K.

Could be several years before this gets worked out or enough content outside of buying BDs. This is the best 65 FALD out. Next option is the 940D at 10" bigger and twice plus the price. OLED too young to invest in and offered by lesser brands than Sony. Right now this is as good as it gets and cheap, relatively.
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There's little 4K content as is. HDR still hasn't been finalized. Two current virants. Only BD 4K is defined in that it requires HDR10. Streaming varies. Netflix and Amazon carrying both and VuDu only DV. Neither Netflix not Amazon carry current content in 4K.

Could be several years before this gets worked out or enough content outside of buying BDs. This is the best 65 FALD out. Next option is the 940D at 10" bigger and twice plus the price. OLED too young to invest in and offered by lesser brands than Sony. Right now this is as good as it gets and cheap, relatively.
not sure what you mean by lesser brands...

However...I dont think I would pay $2699 for a Sony 65X950B
In fact I would say maybe $2000 is a more marketable price point...all things being considered

With the price of some clearance 2015 LG OLED's going for $2999

In no way would I pay $2699 for the Sony
Black levels and viewing angles are so far superior on the OLED

This coming from a person who owns a Sony X850B, a Samsung JU7100 and a Samsung F8500 plasma

The plasma spanks the 4K sets

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This set s currently 2699 at BB right now. I'm so tempted to get it. I currently have an 65 inch 850a snd want to get FALD. Of course the elephant in the room is HDR or lack there of. That price though.........
That is a GREAT price for this TV. Trust me this TV has exceptional picture quality, even without HDR. In all honesty, if you are like me and using this TV as a main room set, then you would most likely be watching HDR content such a small percentage of the time that you probably won't miss it. Plus, need to give HDR a couple more years in my opinion to fully ironed out. Once OLED gets better (2015 models were not that good, but improving) and HDR becomes more mainstream, then I will upgrade myself, but that doesn't look to be for another couple of years. I do wish plasma sets weren't being discontinued. I still haven't seen a set on the level with the Pioneer Elite plasmas from several years ago.
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This TV is now 3 model years old...
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This TV is now 3 model years old...
And? That doesn't make it any less of a damn good TV, especially at that price point.
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That is a GREAT price for this TV. Trust me this TV has exceptional picture quality, even without HDR. In all honesty, if you are like me and using this TV as a main room set, then you would most likely be watching HDR content such a small percentage of the time that you probably won't miss it. Plus, need to give HDR a couple more years in my opinion to fully ironed out. Once OLED gets better (2015 models were not that good, but improving) and HDR becomes more mainstream, then I will upgrade myself, but that doesn't look to be for another couple of years. I do wish plasma sets weren't being discontinued. I still haven't seen a set on the level with the Pioneer Elite plasmas from several years ago.
Yeah, Not sure what to do. I might See if I can haggle Magnolia Home Theater down even further, especially for some Memorial Day thingy. There are 13 sets in the BB warehouse in my area, and have had some for awhile. Don't think they are moving too fast .

Like I said, I currently have a KDL-65W850a (http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...ZEBGjwrZ8p4.97) that I got in 2014 for a closeout price of 1700. It has been very good "Value" set. I game and watch moves mostly, and with its low input lag that set has been great. The issues with it are the same with any edge lit set and that is the sides are noticeably brighter than the center on a lot of content. It doesn't help that its in a light controlled room where any blemishes are even more noticeable. I feel like the main thing I'd be gaining from the 950b is better uniformity from the FALD panel and I fully expect there to be some gray screen banding on the set, see it on all LCD's. I just have to decide if that uniformity is enough to for me to get it. I suppose the 4k would make 1080p stuff look better, but I also will have more input lag.

The image retention and burn-in potential on OLED scares me. Ive seen it on display models and that's enough for me to disregard it. I had a 65VT60 , and those things were very VERY prone to IR. I never wanted to use it because any bright white text left on the screen for no more than an hour would be retained for days,weeks, or months. I ended up selling it.
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Does the XBR65X950B have the motion flow setting if Impulse? If so, how is the light output? For gaming this mode is awesome on my 850a. Only problem is that the light out put is really low even with the back light at Max. I'm wondering if the light output in that mode on the 950b is brighter.
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And? That doesn't make it any less of a damn good TV, especially at that price point.
lol, no one said because it is 3 model years old it wasn't a good TV.

It just doesn't have the latest technologies - including the Sony X1 chip which came out two model years ago.

No 3840 X 2160 @ 60P.

No HDR.

Etc.
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Does the XBR65X950B have the motion flow setting if Impulse? If so, how is the light output? For gaming this mode is awesome on my 850a. Only problem is that the light out put is really low even with the back light at Max. I'm wondering if the light output in that mode on the 950b is brighter.
I haven't had any issues when playing games in the Game mode scene setting. In fact, it seems like it is a little brighter than my usual scene setting (Cinema 2)
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lol, no one said because it is 3 model years old it wasn't a good TV.

It just doesn't have the latest technologies - including the Sony X1 chip which came out two model years ago.

No 3840 X 2160 @ 60P.

No HDR.

Etc.
Again, and?

I haven't missed any of those things yet on my TV and I am still enjoying every bit of it. Just my opinion but I've never been one to embrace the "latest and greatest" as there are always hiccups in the early going. I don't know how much content is actually available for 3840x2160 60P, which I don't think there is much outside of computer gaming.

HDR? I don't watch enough movies to take advantage of that, and from what I have seen and read, there is still quite a ways to go on HDR. Potential looks fantastic, but in practice, it's still very hit or miss. Give it a few years and I will most likely upgrade into that realm myself, but I'm not going to be the guinea pig myself.

The problem (actually can be a good thing), is that technology advances so fast, that by the time you purchase your brand new, state of the art TV set, it is already antiquated by newer and better tech. I just can't find myself worrying about that, especially when I don't have $5,000 every year just to upgrade my TV in hopes of capitalizing on early-adoption.

These are my own opinions and I am sure differ from several others, but I can only speak for myself.
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It just doesn't have the latest technologies - including the Sony X1 chip which came out two model years ago.

No 3840 X 2160 @ 60P.
I doubt most would notice the difference visually. Plus there's no current 65 FALD LED to compare it with. Bringing up 2015 OLED is like comparing apples to oranges and those oranges have issues. 2016 65 models aren't even close in price range. Plus they also have the same issues as last year. Yes they've been improved. Not corrected.

90% plus of most viewable content isn't even 1080P. Yet the 950B makes it look outstanding and has for the last three model years and will this year since Sony has zero plans announced about bringing out another 65 FALD. Samsung? Who else will compete? Same technology. Not all are convinced OLED is there yet. I don't. Plasma is dead. For a 65 this might just be as good as it gets.
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Sorry, I might be very confused, but is 60p the same as 60fps?

If so, if my X900A can do it, I'm sure the X950B can do it as well.
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Sorry, I might be very confused, but is 60p the same as 60fps?

If so, if my X900A can do it, I'm sure the X950B can do it as well.
Neither the 900A, nor the 950B, can do 3840 X 2160 @ 60P
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Sorry, I might be very confused, but is 60p the same as 60fps?

If so, if my X900A can do it, I'm sure the X950B can do it as well.
Neither the 900A, nor the 950B, can do 3840 X 2160 @ 60P
Is it not a prerequisite of HDMI 2.0?

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-...1311283477.htm

Once again, I may be misguided, but is 60fps / 60Hz not the same as 60p? I've 100% watched 4K at 60fps on my X900A.
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What content is delivered at 3840 X 2160/60P?
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Is it not a prerequisite of HDMI 2.0?

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-...1311283477.htm

Once again, I may be misguided, but is 60fps / 60Hz not the same as 60p? I've 100% watched 4K at 60fps on my X900A.
You are confusing acronyms

The 900A (and 950B) does not support 3840x2160/60p.

They don't support 4:4:4 either.

They don't have Sony's newest X1 chip either.

Direct from the 900A specs:

Video

3840x2160/24p
3840x2160/25p
3840x2160/30p
4096x2160/24p
1080/24p (HDMI only)
1080/60i
1080/60p(HDMI / Component)
480/60i
480/60p
720/60p
1080/30p (HDMI only)
720/30p (HDMI only)
720/24p (HDMI only)

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What content is delivered at 3840 X 2160/60P?
YouTube has several 4K 60fps videos available for viewing.
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You are confusing acronyms

The 900A (and 950B) does not support 3840x2160/60p.

They don't support 4:4:4 either.

They don't have Sony's newest X1 chip either.

Direct from the 900A specs:

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3840x2160/24p
3840x2160/25p
3840x2160/30p
4096x2160/24p
1080/24p (HDMI only)
1080/60i
1080/60p(HDMI / Component)
480/60i
480/60p
720/60p
1080/30p (HDMI only)
720/30p (HDMI only)
720/24p (HDMI only)
"Provides HDMI® 2.0 compatibility (Applies to 4K models only)
Supports 4K 60p (3840X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit, 4096X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit)"


https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...d#/downloadTab

I can't imagine the 2014 flagship not having 4K 60p if the 2013 model does.
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That is a GREAT price for this TV. Trust me this TV has exceptional picture quality, even without HDR. In all honesty, if you are like me and using this TV as a main room set, then you would most likely be watching HDR content such a small percentage of the time that you probably won't miss it. Plus, need to give HDR a couple more years in my opinion to fully ironed out. Once OLED gets better (2015 models were not that good, but improving) and HDR becomes more mainstream, then I will upgrade myself, but that doesn't look to be for another couple of years. I do wish plasma sets weren't being discontinued. I still haven't seen a set on the level with the Pioneer Elite plasmas from several years ago.
much of the same argument could be made for even buying a 4K TV in the first place..if you already have a very good 1080P one now

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I doubt most would notice the difference visually. Plus there's no current 65 FALD LED to compare it with. Bringing up 2015 OLED is like comparing apples to oranges and those oranges have issues. 2016 65 models aren't even close in price range. Plus they also have the same issues as last year. Yes they've been improved. Not corrected.

90% plus of most viewable content isn't even 1080P. Yet the 950B makes it look outstanding and has for the last three model years and will this year since Sony has zero plans announced about bringing out another 65 FALD. Samsung? Who else will compete? Same technology. Not all are convinced OLED is there yet. I don't. Plasma is dead. For a 65 this might just be as good as it gets.

you are kidding right?

First off..all TV have some issues period
Poor viewing angles are a deal killer for many...and so OLED is almost a must have

I think you can rest assured that if the OLED prices come close to the FALD ones...then there will be FALD sets gathering dust
Whether of not you chose to embrace changes in technology is your personal choice
However..much of your statement points to questioning why you would buy a 4K display in the first place

I am not sure why you say there is nothing to compare it to.....why not the current Samsung FALD..or the new P series from Vizio

If Sony limits introduction of upcoming models it might be due to their financial position...which has not been good the last few years

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This TV is now 3 model years old...
and still a good set...unless you have to be on the cutting edge of technology

That being said...if you can find it for under $2K...it should be a pretty good deal

in no way would I personally pay more than that though
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you are kidding right?

First off..all TV have some issues period
Poor viewing angles are a deal killer for many...and so OLED is almost a must have

I think you can rest assured that if the OLED prices come close to the FALD ones...then there will be FALD sets gathering dust
Whether of not you chose to embrace changes in technology is your personal choice
However..much of your statement points to questioning why you would buy a 4K display in the first place

I am not sure why you say there is nothing to compare it to.....why not the current Samsung FALD..or the new P series from Vizio

If Sony limits introduction of upcoming models it might be due to their financial position...which has not been good the last few years

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I don't kid. I just post my opinion which may not be shared by others nor do I force others to accept my agenda or assume they must be wrong.

To me. OLED has more issues than LED. Banding is much more annoying than some slight blooming depending on content and which I rarely see. I don't view my TV from the side. Slightly off-center. My view is exceptional from where I sit and I have two 950B, had a 900A and an XBR1 for ten plus years. No viewing angle issues ever.

Similar to plasma, OLED has retention issues. Much of what I view has those nasty messages that can and will cause issues that then need attending. LED does not suffer from this. Neither did my Samsung DLP I also had for ten plus years.

OLED has potential color fade issues not yet resolved. Seems to be getting better but I tend to keep my TV for longer than five years and it's often on for many hours based on who's using it and day of the week. Last thing I need is degrading PQ.

OLED has the same motion issues as LED. Inherent in the technology. Sony seems to have resolved much of it with LED. I don't see that being the case with OLED based on what I read and those I speak with that have first hand experience. I'm not wanting to find out for myself at the moment that watching the NFL is going to be aggravating.

OLED has the black level wars won, at the moment. Honestly, the blacks I get from 950B in content and was getting from my 900A with content is more than adequate and doesn't leave me yearning for new technology which has issues of it's own I find of greater concern than what I've come to be accustomed with LED.

As for fear of new technology. I consider myself an early adapter. Always have been. First to get an iPhone as I received one morning it was released. Owned a 900A being the first 4K. Owned a DLP when first released. Currently have an X99 computer I built myself last year when the first board were released. Trust me. I tend to be the first but not a test crash dummy. OLED has issues. This isn't new. This hasn't been fixed. When it does then I will buy into it. Today isn't it. Today the 950B represents the best 65 PQ there is. My opinion and why I purchased a second although I was seeking that 930D with bent problems and black levels not as good as what I already had in my current 950B.

I'm also a realist. There's considerable lack of HDR. Therefore I don't care for it. Only good source seems to be 4K BD and I'm not convinced that's a plausible solution unless the likes of Netflix make a subscription model as they do with their current DVD and BD 1080P. I'm not one to buy movies. Not my thing.

Netflix and Amazon have no current box office hit content offered in 4K. Adoption is going to be slow for that format as it is. HDR?

The benefit of 4K panels is the fact it upscales 1080P wonderfully as well as that's where all the technology is offered. I know of no 1080P FALD display. Something that is also becoming less available even with 4K due to the masses need for picture frame thin displays. Same fools who thought 4K is a must an Plasma wasn't.

I see DV as a solution to provide HDR with a lesser panel. DV has no benefit for panels like those offered by Sony in their upper tier models. Perhaps why they went with HDR10.

I tend not to trust LG or similar as I just don't believe they use the best components. You get what you pay for and I don't want less. Why I tend to buy Sony and have since I can recall and the TV that was in my home before I could afford my own. Sony isn't perfect but they tend to have that goal. Samsung I don't see always having that mindset and Sharp I lost trust in long before LCDs were the norm or Plasma first showed it's grace and $12k price tag. Will say that DLP was sweet and at the time provided a better picture with SD then did LCD and why I went that direction. Had Sony offered that technology then I would have gone there instead.

Guessing I'm a Sony fan boy. Reality is I want the best. LG OLED doesn't give me that impression. Never has. Don't know if it ever will. There's more to a purchase than how it looks on the first day.

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YouTube has several 4K 60fps videos available for viewing.
Are my eyes going to perceive the difference watching nature shots? Perhaps sports or fast moving content but none of that is offered on YouTube. Not that I would care to see.

Lets assume for the moment that there was 4K/60P live sports content. Would the masses notice the difference between that and 4K/30P? Better yet, would they notice the difference between that and 1080P/60P which the 950B has?

Are we making judgement calls on perceivable values or technical specs that have little if any bearing in real-life content offered currently and near future (next five years)? Most providers don't provide 1080P. Some provide 1080i/30P and other 720/60p. Mostly sports being the latter for better smoothness. Something that would be appreciated if there was actual 4K/60P but there isn't and yet most wouldn't tell the difference or complain if it were 1080P/60P.

Seems we tend to get hung up on specs as the manufacturer's want so that we constantly seek the newest technology being fooled into thinking what we already have has lost an edge. That's pure marketing and it works. Sometimes one needs to evaluate their current and short term needs and seek what is best because tomorrow there will always be something new - yet lacking real content. 8k? Dynamic HDR10? 3D 2.0? Some more BS we must have and need so yesterday's new technology suddenly became obsolete.
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YouTube has several 4K 60fps videos available for viewing.
Are my eyes going to perceive the difference watching nature shots? Perhaps sports or fast moving content but none of that is offered on YouTube. Not that I would care to see.

Lets assume for the moment that there was 4K/60P live sports content. Would the masses notice the difference between that and 4K/30P? Better yet, would they notice the difference between that and 1080P/60P which the 950B has?

Are we making judgement calls on perceivable values or technical specs that have little if any bearing in real-life content offered currently and near future (next five years)? Most providers don't provide 1080P. Some provide 1080i/30P and other 720/60p. Mostly sports being the latter for better smoothness. Something that would be appreciated if there was actual 4K/60P but there isn't and yet most wouldn't tell the difference or complain if it were 1080P/60P.

Seems we tend to get hung up on specs as the manufacturer's want so that we constantly seek the newest technology being fooled into thinking what we already have has lost an edge. That's pure marketing and it works. Sometimes one needs to evaluate their current and short term needs and seek what is best because tomorrow there will always be something new - yet lacking real content. 8k? Dynamic HDR10? 3D 2.0? Some more BS we must have and need so yesterday's new technology suddenly became obsolete.
Your eyes may or may not perceive the difference, but I know mine do although that may be because I've always been rather sensitive to motion differences / discrepancies. I also used to play a considerable amount of FPS games at a competitive level, so I may have been "trained" to perceive those differences more than most. Different people are sensitive to different things.

I understand that content is not readily going to be available at 4K, let alone 4K 60fps for a long time. I was merely responding to a statement regarding the fact that the TV was not capable of displaying that content, and that the content to test it with was 4K YouTube videos. Whether that capability will be useful and utilized regularly is an entirely different matter.

I am of the opinion that it is perceivable and is important, but that is entirely my own opinion.
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and still a good set...unless you have to be on the cutting edge of technology

That being said...if you can find it for under $2K...it should be a pretty good deal

in no way would I personally pay more than that though
But..thats just me

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The x950b stands toe-to-toe with the x940c & x940d. If you get a chance to compare the 3 sets side by side, I believe that you will agree with me. At $3K, it's a great value.
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and still a good set...unless you have to be on the cutting edge of technology

That being said...if you can find it for under $2K...it should be a pretty good deal

in no way would I personally pay more than that though
But..thats just me

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This might be where I'm at now. Perhaps I'll jump at < 2k.


For gaming , the 950b has ~40ms input lag in game mode while my current 850a has ~18ms. Problem with game mode is the poor motion. When I set the motion setting to Impulse mode, the motion in game mode is great, just that the picture is dim. If I set the motion to clear or clear plus, motion is even better and the picture doesn't dim as much, but I gain a lot more input lag. The lag is probably around 50ms if I do this on my 850a , and that puts it right about where the 950b is in game mode without any motion enhancements.
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Amazon showing $2,500. Might just get down to $2,000.
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